China Can Beat the U.S. Air Force in a War

the mainland component of the Chinese nation is slaved and stockholm syndromed to the CCP and its grievous legacy and unaccountability on it.....and the doom already imposed in long term ways with the severe baked in demographic crunch or the continued festering of SOE and real estate ponzi w.r.t "labour theory of value" approaches enveloping, clouding and burdening what China has progressed on since the Mao era.
Lol, the "slave driver" CCP completely wiped out poverty first time in China's whole history, divert water thousands of miles to the north when there was a water shortage, remarkably cleaned air and reduced air quality after the public brought up this issue, greatly boosted Chinese people's life expectancy surpassing the US... what did you "democratic" Indian government do for you free people?

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Lol, the "slave driver" CCP completely wiped out poverty first time in China's whole history, divert water thousands of miles to the north when there was a water shortage, remarkably cleaned air and reduced air quality after the public brought up this issue, greatly boosted Chinese people's life expectancy surpassing the US... what did you "democratic" Indian government do for you free people?

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No wonder the Chinese economy isn't growing anymore.
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No wonder the Chinese economy isn't growing anymore.
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Everyone can make a "prediction", China has been collapsing for at least 4 decades based on the western media, lol, even we are continous "collapsing" for over 4 decades, we still can get anywhere where you India is, lol

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Everyone can make a "prediction", China has been collapsing for at least 4 decades based on the western media, lol, even we are continous "collapsing" for over 4 decades, we still can get anywhere where you India is, lol
China's economic dominance is fading as real deceleration and demographic decline take hold.
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That X post manipulated the title to make it sound a lot worst than it really is. When they say "the F-35's operational status is less than 33% of the total fleet" makes it sound like the rest of the other 67% is completely non-operational which is completely false.

The truth is that out of the total number of the F-35s built to date, only 33% of them have "Full Operationally Capability," meaning all their systems are working to their fullest and not just most of them. That's a big difference. In other words, the other 67% (it's actually 71% to be more accurate) are not performing at their "FULL" capability and still have some systems within the aircraft that are still not working. Doesn't mean they're hangar queens.
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You telling me that Secretary of the Air Force. Mr. Frank Kendall telling lies?

I know USA is very very economical with the truth and more more often tell lies than any truth at all
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THEN YOU MUST WRITE TO WHITEHOUSE AND COMPLAIN MR FRANK KENDALL TELLING LIES AND SHOULD BE SACKED IMMEDIATELY
 
You telling me that Secretary of the Air Force. Mr. Frank Kendall telling lies?

Hahaha, that was a funny post. 30% mission-capable doesn't mean the other 70% can't even fly or is grounded. It means some of their systems are not fully operational yet for whatever reasons, or they haven't cleared quality control/final inspection or some crap like that.

If they were grounded, then it would be a much bigger problem, that's what I was getting at.
There's a distinction because that news was making it sound like the other 70% weren't even flyable.

Is it a problem? Most definitely, considering the cost of the program and how highly touted that aircraft was made out to be. If an aircraft isn't mission-capable, then what good is it? Supposedly they can still perform most roles so they're not completely ineffective.

But even so, it's still not a good look for a program that has cost so much money and isn't really delivering the complete goods. Plus the aircraft is $44K cost per flight hour which is up there. Not as bad as the F-22 @ 70K p/hr lol.

A far cry from J-20's operating cost of $29K p/hr.....................if true! lol
 
I think any country would sell its mother to the first bidder for a $17.5 trillion GDP. :D
 
Travesty in both senses of the word, as in shamefully admitting to thievery and impropriety by China as well as the inevitable insinuation that perhaps they wouldn't have been capable of building their own stealthy aircraft (at least not in the caliber of US ones) had it not been for "stealing" & "thieving" US' detailed plans which at the same time also suggest the prowess and high level of technological sophistication of the United States over China.

It is not thievery, it is 'espionage' which is a euphemism used when dealing with military technology. All sides do it to the best of their ability. Even Israel does it to the US despite having unparalleled access to US defence technologies.

The espionage also does not mean that the spying target is superior to the spy: it simply means that everyone wants to know the capabilities of everyone else and it never hurts to confirm or redress one's own technological approach.

Of course, the open question is whether the information retrieved through spying is legitimate or doctored by the spying target to mislead the spy. That's the fun part!
 
It is not thievery, it is 'espionage' which is a euphemism used when dealing with military technology.

Yep, you're exactly right, "espionage" is a euphemism. It's a euphemism for thievery!

First, China stole the detailed schematics of this warplane as early as 2005, during a cyber operation known as Titan Rain. They have had ample time to copy the plane as well as to build countermeasures against it.

And no, sorry, espionage is an entirely different thing.

If China and whomever can get away with such bold and blatant thievery, good for them and shame on the US for allowing such a heist to happen. But I can't imagine the US being so reckless as to allow the blueprints for the F-35 to be hacked and stolen by China no matter how advanced its cyberspace tech and capabilities are. The US is no slouch -- especially in that field -- to allow such a devastating heist to occur, even if it was by the Klingon or the Borg for that matter.
 
First, China stole the detailed schematics of this warplane as early as 2005, during a cyber operation known as Titan Rain. They have had ample time to copy the plane as well as to build countermeasures against it.
In western media, China "steals" everything from everyone, only morons buy those pathetic lies.
 
Yep, you're exactly right, "espionage" is a euphemism. It's a euphemism for thievery!

First, China stole the detailed schematics of this warplane as early as 2005, during a cyber operation known as Titan Rain. They have had ample time to copy the plane as well as to build countermeasures against it.

And no, sorry, espionage is an entirely different thing.

If China and whomever can get away with such bold and blatant thievery, good for them and shame on the US for allowing such a heist to happen. But I can't imagine the US being so reckless as to allow the blueprints for the F-35 to be hacked and stolen by China no matter how advanced its cyberspace tech and capabilities are. The US is no slouch -- especially in that field -- to allow such a devastating heist to occur, even if it was by the Klingon or the Borg for that matter.

I am saying that "thievery", "theft" and "stolen" are emotive words used in tabloid journalism to elicit a visceral response from the audience.

Professional communications use neutral words like "espionage" because professionals acknowledge that everyone does it to everyone else and there is no moral superiority involved.

In western media, China "steals" everything from everyone, only morons buy those pathetic lies.

It is the ongoing racial trope that Chinese are incapable of original thought and can only do copy paste. It is propagated by tabloid writers to sell media to their clueless internet fanboys. We can be sure that Western military professionals take their Eastern counterparts far more seriously.
 
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Hahaha, that was a funny post. 30% mission-capable doesn't mean the other 70% can't even fly or is grounded. It means some of their systems are not fully operational yet for whatever reasons, or they haven't cleared quality control/final inspection or some crap like that.

If they were grounded, then it would be a much bigger problem, that's what I was getting at.
There's a distinction because that news was making it sound like the other 70% weren't even flyable.

Is it a problem? Most definitely, considering the cost of the program and how highly touted that aircraft was made out to be. If an aircraft isn't mission-capable, then what good is it? Supposedly they can still perform most roles so they're not completely ineffective.

But even so, it's still not a good look for a program that has cost so much money and isn't really delivering the complete goods. Plus the aircraft is $44K cost per flight hour which is up there. Not as bad as the F-22 @ 70K p/hr lol.

A far cry from J-20's operating cost of $29K p/hr.....................if true! lol
I specifically checked the content of the hearing
30% is FMC. That means 30 percent of the aircraft are capable of doing everything on the F-35 mission list.
according to Air Force officials answer.
Only about 51% of F-35s can complete MC。
For DoD, the MC rate is the percentage of unit-assigned aircraft capable of performing at least one defined mission, not including aircraft in depot status or undergoing major repairs. FMC planes are those capable of flying all unit-assigned missions.
which is not an excellent number.
The MC target data given by the US Air Force is
F-35A 90%, F-35B 85%, F-35C 86%
 
But!

It also means China territory is vulnerable to enemy bombing, even letting China territory as enemy battleground.

What I want to see is China to bomb USA mainland.

Destroying all military bases and infrastructures.

To make USA lose all their military power.
 
But!

It also means China territory is vulnerable to enemy bombing, even letting China territory as enemy battleground.

What I want to see is China to bomb USA mainland.

Destroying all military bases and infrastructures.

To make USA lose all their military power.

Seems that the whole world know China got only 200 to 300 nukes.

Because America say so

They forgot , or choose not to remember

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CHINA MIGHT WELL BE THE ONLY COUNTRY WITH IMMEDIATELY DEPLOYABLE USABLE THERMO NUKES
AND IF USA WANT TO USE EVEN ONE NUKE :D


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Sailing their carriers up and down in phony FONOPs.

And a great game to bully China for the fun of it.

And screaming if their carriers are touched, China will be in a big world of hurting.

As if America the only one with nukes and happy to toss them about like confetti.


And please do not talk of nukes. China might well be the only country
with fully functional H Bombs
Chinese H Bombs are done to the YuMing configuration requiring very little maintenance.
Muricans do their H bombs to the Ulam Teller configuration needing lots of maintenances.

Each warhead needs to have about 200 milligrams of fresh tritium added every year. Here’s a pic showing W80s having their gas changed.

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How many American H Bombs can go kaboom immediately? Not many.


When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.
US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.
Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons

Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia
And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.

China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.
3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs



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DF-5B got throw weight of 5,000 kgs
In 2017, China successfully completed tests of DF-5C. Presumably with greater throw weight and greater accuracy in targetting.

7 brigades DF-31A ICBM (since 2007 introduction and adding one brigade per year) x 12 missiles per brigade x 3 MIRVs = 252 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-31A ICBMs (assuming NO RELOAD missile per TEL; if you assume ONE reload missile per TEL then you double the number of warheads to 504 thermonuclear warheads).

Since then, China tested and got operational DF31AG and DF31B. Obviously able to throw more warheads than the DF31A. The DF31s are solid fuel and can fire within 3 to 5 minutes.

And the H-6K bombers. H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 ALCMs; and air launched missiles (CH-AS-X-13)
As at 2015, there are 15 numbers of H-6Ks, and 150 numbers of assorted H-6s.
Using just H-6Ks, there will be need for 15X10 , or 150 thermonuclear bombs.
2015 is 5 years ago. You can be sure there will be even more numbers of H-6K, and even more advanced bombers being build by China.

DF-41 - Wikipedia

The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.

The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.



Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.
How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?


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Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world


If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.

Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.

The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?


SSBNs
Type 094 Jin Class SSBN


Currently 6 of type 094 but projected to be 8 in years to come.
Carrying 12 numbers of JL-2, mirving 3–4 thermonuclear warheads.
Or 288 nuclear warheads

Type 096 Tang Class SSBN
This is similar to Ohio Class

Carrying 24 JL-3 missiles , each mirving 5–7 warheads.
Currently, 6 numbers of 096 SSBNs are being build simultaneously.
Using 6x24x5, we have 720 thermonuclear warheads.

Or at least 1000 nukes can be delivered by China.
Or the warheads delivered are empty. Or used to deliver dim sums, General Tso chicken, wulung tea bags and cleaned laundry by Chink laundrymen, express delivery.

If China is ever turned into a nuclear wasteland, those that send nukes into China will be nuked into glowing and molten multicolored wasteland.

China promised never to use the first nuke. But if just one nuke land on China or her forces, ALL THE USA BASES FROM EUROPE, DIEGO GARCIA , SINGAPORE . JAPAN AND USA HERSELF WILL BE SEAS AND LAKES OF MOLTEN MULTI COLOR GLASS.

None of the USA carriers will be spared. The carriers will be taken out with nukes even if the carriers hide in Frisco Bay or in the Atlantic Ocean or any other ocean.

And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains
Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)

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How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

Allies of the country that nuke China will not go unpunished as well. Whether they could not stop USA or do not want to stop USA or USA do not want to listen to them will be irrelevant to China.
A nuked China will be very very weak. And China recalled the days where the British and French and Japan and USA came to carve her up when China was weak.
China will not allow that to happen again. China will ensure those countries will be weaker than a nuked China, or exist only in name after a nuked China


So please let peace prevail and it is irrelevant whether you think China only got 260 nukes
The lucky ones will be those that die in the first micro second.
Those still alive a year later will wish they gone at the very beginning.

And why the war fought or even started, no one will give a flying **** as to the reasons.


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Even so, China never ever threatened to use nukes. Other than if nuke used on China, China will retaliate and use nukes as well.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.
 

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