HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Pataliputra]

He says that the F-16 has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that the Tejas is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than the F-16.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Mirage2000 do not have AESA radars. If Pakistan has EW assets in air, it would be really difficult to target even 30km , let alone 80 km.

already there is a programme with IAF underway that is in R&D phase making new antennas of GaN based UTTAM AESA for both Mig29s variants IAF & Navy and Mirage2000 besides Su30MKI with a relevant EW & self protection suit also made by LRDE/DRDO

as for targetting MICA you forget Mirage2000 is already intigrated with LIGHTNING 3G3 LDP and MICA IR is already intigrated into it which can hit 40 Km easily so 30 Km .. what can i say and there is no need for any software or hardware upgrade to intigrate MICA NG into Mirage2000s of IAF

 

[Guru Dutt]

Mat is gonna get a lot of hate from Indian commentators, but with all the delays, can’t it be best said that Indians hate the LCA Tejas more than anyone?

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its not Indians who hate LCA Tejas but the agents of Swedish or american arms industry that want IAF /MOD to order imported jet so they or beurocrats in MOD & armed forces can get there "CUT" hate LCA Tejas

already PMO & MOD has declined any new import of a single engine fighter jet from any nation and has already ordered 40 MK-1 and then 83 and then 97 MK1As thats 40+180 LCA what dose that tell you about Indian committment with LCA project

besides that there is a deal for 500+ GE414 engines to be manufactured in India under 80% Tranfer of Technology from USA for which US Congress has already cleared the deal which is for LCA MK2 & AMCA now what dose it indicates

we indians dont just brag we keep doing owr job and investing recources and effort instead of trying to belittle and mock enemy or its efforts hope you get the POINT .... SIR

 

[Guru Dutt]

He says that the F-16 has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that the Tejas is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than the F-16.

which F16 is here compared to LCA Tejas cause after first batch of 40 MK1A are diliverred or simontainiously rest MK1 IOC & FOC format LCAs will also be converted/upgraded to MK1A level

but besides that thing is F16 has a inbuilt forward looking IRST sensor and various EW & selfprotection suits and jammers as standard since BLK52 i guess though not as powerfull as its AESA powerred cousing BLK60/70 or verssion V and more hardpoints that carry almost 6 BVRs and 4 WVR air to air missiles but still having a pair of CFTs and even then a couple of pylons for multi rack for either smart munations or LGBs or both or any kind of ARMs or ALCMs and F16 can fly at a higher altitude too

 

[FuturePAF]

its not Indians who hate LCA Tejas but the agents of Swedish or american arms industry that want IAF /MOD to order imported jet so they or beurocrats in MOD & armed forces can get there "CUT" hate LCA Tejas

already PMO & MOD has declined any new import of a single engine fighter jet from any nation and has already ordered 40 MK-1 and then 83 and then 97 MK1As thats 40+180 LCA what dose that tell you about Indian committment with LCA project

besides that there is a deal for 500+ GE414 engines to be manufactured in India under 80% Tranfer of Technology from USA for which US Congress has already cleared the deal which is for LCA MK2 & AMCA now what dose it indicates

we indians dont just brag we keep doing owr job and investing recources and effort instead of trying to belittle and mock enemy or its efforts hope you get the POINT .... SIR

Orders made by India all the time, over the decades, but will have to wait till the 180 to get built to see if India follows through with its orders.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Orders made by India all the time, over the decades, but will have to wait till the 180 to get built to see if India follows through with its orders.

Well LCA was never meant as an Export item like JF17 or J31 by China in the first place

LCA was made only for Indian use and that too only for light compat patrol or light escorting or light limited strike roles to replace 1960s era fleet of Mig21 of IAF but as of today a single LCA MK1A can carry almost trice the payload and twice the number of Air To Air and Air To Ground Missiles in a single sortie along with a Laser desigantion or a Jammer pod and that too almost more than twice to combat radius ... so why should we complain

besides that by the Time last of those 180 MK1As being diliverred already Diliverry of MK2 will be in full swing and limited AMCA will start trickling in ... we dont have to proove anything to anyone

as Bachann saheb once said

HUM JAHAN KAHRRE HO JATTE HAIN LINE WAHEEN SE SHURRU HOTEE HAI .... aaj aalmi mandi me hindusatn ka wahi rasookh bantaa jaa raha hai aur tumharre jaise Muhib E Wattan pakistani jittnna marzee jall bunn jayen per kuch nahi ker saktte

 

[Harbyharb]

He says that the F-16 has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that the Tejas is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than the F-16.

By that logic
"He says that the Tejas has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that Mitsubishi Type Zero is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than Tejas."
You can even say that the Zero has better dogfight capabilities. No jet fighter would want to enter a dogfight with a Zero (cannon only).

 

[Pataliputra]

By that logic
"He says that the Tejas has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that Mitsubishi Type Zero is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than Tejas."
You can even say that the Zero has better dogfight capabilities. No jet fighter would want to enter a dogfight with a Zero (cannon only).

If payload and range were the sole determinants of a fighter jet's superiority, then the Su-30MKI would be considered the most superior in the world.
increasing payload and range typically requires a larger size, bigger engines, more fuel consumption, higher maintenance costs, and reduced stealth. The Tejas is an exceptional example of engineering, as despite its small size, it can carry 5.3 tons of payload—a figure expected to increase in future as the aircraft's weight decreases and engine power improves.

 

[Harbyharb]

If payload and range were the sole determinants of a fighter jet's superiority, then the Su-30MKI would be considered the most superior in the world.
increasing payload and range typically requires a larger size, bigger engines, more fuel consumption, higher maintenance costs, and reduced stealth. The Tejas is an exceptional example of engineering, as despite its small size, it can carry 5.3 tons of payload—a figure expected to increase in future as the aircraft's weight decreases and engine power improves.

The Northrop F-5 Tiger II is an even more exceptional example of engineering, as, despite its even smaller size (4.35 tonnes empty vs Tejas at 6.5 tonnes empty), it can carry almost just as much payload at 5.22 tonnes. This is a figure that would sure to increase if it had more modern variants or even developed into the F-20 Tigershark.

The USAF is clearly made up of entirely idiots for replacing the F-5 with the F-16 as it is larger, has bigger engines, greater fuel consumption, higher maintenance costs, and reduced stealth.

 

[Cryptonian]

The Northrop F-5 Tiger II is an even more exceptional example of engineering, as, despite its even smaller size (4.35 tonnes empty vs Tejas at 6.5 tonnes empty), it can carry almost just as much payload at 5.22 tonnes. This is a figure that would sure to increase if it had more modern variants or even developed into the F-20 Tigershark.

The USAF is clearly made up of entirely idiots for replacing the F-5 with the F-16 as it is larger, has bigger engines, greater fuel consumption, higher maintenance costs, and reduced stealth.

You got source for 5.22T payload, cause Wiki says 7.1 T clean and 11.1 T mtow.

 

[Harbyharb]

You got source for 5.22T payload, cause Wiki says 7.1 T clean and 11.1 T mtow.

Not knowing the difference between empty weight and clean weight be like.

 

[Cryptonian]

Not knowing the difference between empty weight and clean weight be like.

Or you dont know what payload means, because empty weight has no role in it.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Not knowing the difference between empty weight and clean weight be like.

Sir that means 5 T is total wieght including internal feul which was around 2.5 T that means weapons load of 2.5-2.6 T that too on 5 hard points

LCA on the other hand from day one is tested with 7 hard points for weapons of which two are wet/can carry external feul pods while one is for POD to carry Laser designation or jammer POD

so LCA is much better for us while there still nothing out there like F16 in my opinion

 

[vikNerv]

By that logic
"He says that the Tejas has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that Mitsubishi Type Zero is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than Tejas."
You can even say that the Zero has better dogfight capabilities. No jet fighter would want to enter a dogfight with a Zero (cannon only).

But he didn't mention zero, no one did but you. The point of contention for the poster you quoted is comparing LCA and F16. It's like comparing apples and pine apples. Both fruits, both deliver vitamins and sustenance, but in different quantities and qualities. Can't go to a vendor selling apples and ask them why his apples cost different from pine apples the other vendor is selling. Can't ask a pine apple farmer why his farm produces different quantities from an apple farm. It's not about LCA vs F16 when it comes to classifications of fighter jets. They aren't in the same category.
What comparison is valid is how they will fare against each other in battle. In such scenarios simple specs such as load and range are not enough, there are other factors in play, type of munitions, radar coverage, other assets etc. Battlefield management plays a huge part in such confrontations.

 

[DevendraRajput]

By that logic
"He says that the Tejas has a higher payload capacity and range compared to the Tejas, but overlooks the fact that Mitsubishi Type Zero is smaller, lighter, and stealthier than Tejas."
You can even say that the Zero has better dogfight capabilities. No jet fighter would want to enter a dogfight with a Zero (cannon only).

Not really.

A modern day jet fighter will just out run "zero". No need to even dogfight.
If forced to engage, it will execute hit and run kind of strikes with likes of zero having no chance to get turn towards a jet fighter.
Or it will just fly much higher than zeros and hit it from above. service ceiling for jets is much higher.

Bad analogy. Old piston based planes are sitting ducks for jet fighters. Even in pure guns only fight.