Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

[gambit]

Yes, yes I do, because that's what we call evidence. And without it nothing can be ruled out.

So you are saying that there should be videos of flights all the time, else any mishap is a result of deliberate sabotage despite evidences otherwise.

This kind of absolutely unreasonable demands do not come from professionals in the field. We can have cameras in manufacturing but not in the sky. Yours is absurd and reveals more of your penchant for conspiracy mentality than of wanting to know the facts and truths. You do not know the meaning of 'evidence'.

 

[GoMig-21]

I learned to fly before the USAF. By the time I entered the USAF, I done night, solo-ed cross country, and instrument. Did not multi-engine.

lol. The way you worded that, you can't help yourself, can you? Gimme a kiss!

I hope this answer the conspiracy theories
this is where they hit mountain
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and 3d rendering of area
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so no it was not vertical crash and Al-Jazeera simulation is just bullshit , it simply hit the summit near the top of mountain
and this is the remain of helicopter
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you see the tail is separated and intact , that cause the disaster , helicopter rely in the tail not to rotate around itself. they hit the mountain , the tail separated which is typical of the situation , then the remain begin to rotate around itself because of the rotors movement and as a result it disintegrated and exploded
and unless evidence show anything else that is the likely scenario and everything else conspiracy theories

by the way for the people who say why only one helicopter crash and not all 3 your answer is
1st those two helicopter were more powerful and probably managed to ascend faster
2nd for reducing the chance of any incident helicopter don't fly in line they flight in different path and altitude, just think in 3d not 2d

Agreed with everything you said except the tail separation in the bolded part of your quote.

You're saying the helo hit the mountain a first time, then the tail section blew off causing the helo to lose its counter-rotation torque and as a result, the helicopter spun around and then crashed a 2nd and final time?

If that's what you meant, then you're basically saying the loss of the tail section (with tail rotor) caused the accident. That means it hit the mountain twice but there is no sign of that at all. As a matter of fact, it shows the opposite with the location of the tail section, right at the front of the crash area. If your scenario is correct, the tail section would've been at a separate location, and we would've seen a secondary impact area and there was no such thing.

The fact that the tail section is right at the impact area indicates it came off at that spot.

To me, looking at the pattern of the charred, impacted ground and the location of the tail boom suggests that the pilot suddenly realized he was way too low (for whatever reason, that's the 2nd part to figure out), tried ascending fast but ran out of space, altitude & time as the mountain came up on him too fast. Nose-belly slammed into the terrain and because it was at an incline and the impact was hard of course (you can see that in the video of the first responders the helo was seriously busted up) the front end basically dug into the ground and the helo quite possibly flipped over forward and slammed into the ground and exploded and that's what caused the tail section to shear off and land forward of the impact area.

The 2nd part is why was he flying so low in the first place knowing the terrain was very dangerous with high mountain peaks everywhere. That's really the main question since we know from the testimony given by the comms guys that he had ordered the other two helicopters to increase altitude and they did. But why was he too late in doing so? And why wasn't he at a higher altitude in the first place? Too much fog & cloud cover and he wanted to fly under it for more visibility? All these things point at very unfortunate pilot error and nothing to suggest foul play.

 

[BHAN85]

details about crash can be true or false.

but there are several things that it's proved as true:
-the same path with same weather was done by other 2 helicopters with no incidents. only the most important helicopter crashed.
-this happen one month later than first direct Iran attack against Israel soil.
-Iran is celebrating state funerals once by month lately.

suspicious, at least.

And even, if it's really a accident, some high ranking Iranians will never believe it, and this will have some kind of consequence in the coming Iran behavior towards Israel.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

details about crash can be true or false.

but there are several things that it's proved as true:
-the same path with same weather was done by other 2 helicopters with no incidents. only the most important helicopter crashed.
-this happen one month later than first direct Iran attack against Israel soil.
-Iran is celebrating state funerals once by month lately.

suspicious, at least.

And even, if it's really a accident, some high ranking Iranians will never believe it, and this will have some kind of consequence in the coming Iran behavior towards Israel.

All bad things are not from Israel, Some came because of our deeds.

 

[Immortals]

For what it's worth: Iranian SAR UAVs were on mission in the Indian Ocean--too far to help.

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Ah yes more propaganda

Now Every single Iranian UAV with SAR was in Indian Ocean…..surveying what exactly?

Or….Iran simply doesn’t have UAV’s with SAR outside of a few prototypes because this baboon mindset of IRGC and avoiding expensive tech is systemic at this point.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

a blind can be cured , somebody who simulate blindness can't

Reserving judgement until clear evidence is provided is literally the opposite of blindness. Blindly accepting the official narrative, however, is.

 

[Immortals]

Based on Rouhani Chief Of Staff,

Pilot hit the mountain dead on. How? Probably got the altitude wrong. In 2024 a simple topography digital screen could have provided redundancy measures to the analog instruments.





Of course his Chief of Staff will say weather was perfect and that suddenly one cloud appeared…..deflecting criticism and admission of incompetence is hallmark behavior with these idiots

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

So you are saying that there should be videos of flights all the time, else any mishap is a result of deliberate sabotage despite evidences otherwise.

This kind of absolutely unreasonable demands do not come from professionals in the field. We can have cameras in manufacturing but not in the sky. Yours is absurd and reveals more of your penchant for conspiracy mentality than of wanting to know the facts and truths. You do not know the meaning of 'evidence'.

Well until there is clear and obvious evidence nothing can be ruled out. If you think that is against the ethos of evidence, then I think you're throwing stones from glass houses. You're neither a professional in the field of crash investigation and neither is anyone here. Furthermore, to blindly follow official narratives is also an appeal to authority fallacy. There is literally no evidence provided, neither has the investigation been cooncluded, other than a few photos on social media, yet you have already made your mind up...that's what's absurd to me. Maybe it's you who wants to believe this was just a crash.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Based on Rouhani Chief Of Staff,

Pilot hit the mountain dead on. How? Probably got the altitude wrong. In 2024 a simple topography digital screen could have provided redundancy measures to the analog instruments.

But again that is why B-212 doesn’t fly in IFR conditions.

Of course his Chief of Staff will say weather was perfect and that suddenly one cloud appeared…..deflecting criticism and admission of incompetence is hallmark behavior with these idiots

Why was the President put into a chopper that is known to be incapable of flying such conditions?

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

All bad things are not from Israel, Some came because of our deeds.

Not all bad things are from Israel, but all Israeli things are bad.

 

[BHAN85]

All bad things are not from Israel, Some came because of our deeds.

Israel is just a USA tool in the zone. Most of troubles of this planet come from USA.

From a statistical point of view, it's a remarkable event in a meaningful timing.

So it will have consequences towards Israel, even if Israel has nothing to do.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Israel is just a USA tool in the zone. Most of troubles of this planet come from USA.

From a statistical point of view, it's a remarkable event in a meaningful timing.

So it will have consequences towards Israel, even if Israel has nothing to do.

So it will have consequences towards Israel, even if Israel has nothing to do.

Same can be the case with Iran. I have a feeling that some people are aware that this event is unrelated to Israel, but they are trying to provoke a direct conflict between Iran and Israel.

 

[MapleKing]

If I were a betting man, I'd say this was the result of an internal power struggle.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[jauk]

Ah yes more propaganda

Now Every single Iranian UAV with SAR was in Indian Ocean…..surveying what exactly?

Or….Iran simply doesn’t have UAV’s with SAR outside of a few prototypes because this baboon mindset of IRGC and avoiding expensive tech is systemic at this point.

SARS are terribly simple. I can’t attest to their lack of response. I leave that to you and your baboons.