Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

[jauk]

Which Iranian drones are equipped with SAR / Thermal /IR / EO kit ??

I’m not sure. However, they are simple systems and far within Iran’s tech capacity. I am confident Iran has them. I believe I’ve seen footage but I don’t recall where or when. Maybe Syria footage.

 

[Immortals]

Why was the President put into a chopper that is known to be incapable of flying such conditions?

Same reason hundreds of IRGC gather in one room that can be taken out by a suicide bomber.




IR is relatively stable today: from 1980-2000 people were dying left & right in the military and government to assassinations and operational incompetence.

 

[gambit]

Well until there is clear and obvious evidence nothing can be ruled out. If you think that is against the ethos of evidence, then I think you're throwing stones from glass houses. You're neither a professional in the field of crash investigation and neither is anyone here. Furthermore, to blindly follow official narratives is also an appeal to authority fallacy. There is literally no evidence provided, neither has the investigation been cooncluded, other than a few photos on social media, yet you have already made your mind up...that's what's absurd to me. Maybe it's you who wants to believe this was just a crash.

Am willing to go so far as to say the official Iranian report, or 'narrative' to use your word, will indicate either poor mission planning and/or mechanical issues.

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The official 'narrative' is that missile(s) brought down that airplane and came out soon enough. Do you disagree with that official 'narrative'?

 

[gambit]

Why was the President put into a chopper that is known to be incapable of flying such conditions?

It is less about the aircraft and more about the pilots.

 

[Immortals]

SARS are terribly simple.

I don’t know who told you this. But SARS cost money wether they are “terribly simple” in your opinion . A .25m SAR satellite image goes for $3500 a piece. We saw one after the infamous S-300 attack in april.

A SAR radar on a MALE drone cost about $750K. Assuming Iran can reduce cost by 1/5th that’s still over $100K for one component of a drone. And we don’t know resolution and range quality of Iranian SARs. The FLIR that Turkish drone used was $1M made by a Canadian company and I’m not sure it even had SAR radar active on it based on video released.

The excuse that their entire fleet of SARs was mapping the Indian Ocean is laughable. But assuming it’s true, it further reinforces the point above that due to whatever factor (cost or otherwise) Iran’s fleet of SAR equipped drones is very small.

It also means that Yasir (scaneagle with SAR) likely wasn’t mass produced or was produced without the SAR.

Lastly, Iran had plenty of drones that could have flown low (Shahed family) and used their FLIR to locate wreckage. Especially considering the pilots of other helicopters (according to Raisi chief of staff) flew back immed after reaching the mine and realizing Riasi’s helicopter was missing to search for the helicopter. So the approx location of the crash site was always known by Iranian authorities.

 

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[Immortals]

It is less about the aircraft and more about the pilots.

Chopper lacked basic IFR instruments (more than likely) and pilot collided directly with mountain.

Bell 212 can fly max altitude at 12,000. The mountains in that region are not that high ~5000-6000 feet. Why the chopper was flying that low when he couldn’t see in front of himself is unknown. The pilot may have thought he was in a valley or mountain was sloping downward (ie past the peak) and instead hit it directly.

Either way a off the shelf simple monitor like this:



Could have prevented this whole thing from occurring.

Modernized Iranian Cobras have MFDs



But likely lack topography data in the manner above.

 

[KingQamaR]

Well until there is clear and obvious evidence nothing can be ruled out. If you think that is against the ethos of evidence, then I think you're throwing stones from glass houses. You're neither a professional in the field of crash investigation and neither is anyone here. Furthermore, to blindly follow official narratives is also an appeal to authority fallacy. There is literally no evidence provided, neither has the investigation been cooncluded, other than a few photos on social media, yet you have already made your mind up...that's what's absurd to me. Maybe it's you who wants to believe this was just a crash.

Flying a knackered old helicopter in thick fog when its antiquated navigation relies on the vision of the pilot is reckless to put it mildly. To allow it to carry two members of the administration is beyond belief.

 

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No wonder it took nearly 24 hours to find the wreckage - General Sandwhich was in charge of the IRGC rescue effort.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Am willing to go so far as to say the official Iranian report, or 'narrative' to use your word, will indicate either poor mission planning and/or mechanical issues.

A bomb or a missile? Meduza analyzes the early evidence about what downed Yevgeny Prigozhin’s plane and apparently killed Russia’s most notorious mercenary leader — Meduza

On Wednesday evening, people northwest of Moscow looked up and saw a plane falling out of the sky. In videos shared on social media, large hunks of metal are visible, plummeting toward Earth as smoke trails the falling objects. Judging by the sound in the footage, at least one of the aircraft’s...

meduza.io

The official 'narrative' is that missile(s) brought down that airplane and came out soon enough. Do you disagree with that official 'narrative'?

The investigation hasn't even concluded yet, so I dont know what you're talking about and what sort of garbage low quality website youre sharing with me. Sorry, I don't want viruses on my phone.

It is less about the aircraft and more about the pilots.

I think it is a combination of the two.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Flying a knackered old helicopter in thick fog when its antiquated navigation relies on the vision of the pilot is reckless to put it mildly. To allow it to carry two members of the administration is beyond belief.

Well the two ancient soviet mi-17s did okay, why weren't they put in those? Reckless by design!

 

[Bengal71]

Iran has one of the largest fleet of helicopters in the world, mostly Western types inherited from the Shah's regime. This fleet (500+) is maintained, overhauled and upgraded by the Iran Helicopter Support and Renewal Industries (PANHA). The Bell 212 is the back bone of the Iranian Navy Aviation along with SH-3 Sea King and SH-53 Sea Stallions and have had an excellent safety record despite being cut of from the original manufacturer for over 45 years!

How do you guys get parts?

 

[KingQamaR]

Well the two ancient soviet mi-17s did okay, why weren't they put in those? Reckless by design!

Goodness.this is pure accident...the helicopter is an old one travelling in a bad weather..

 

[jauk]

I don’t know who told you this. But SARS cost money wether they are “terribly simple” in your opinion . A .25m SAR satellite image goes for $3500 a piece. We saw one after the infamous S-300 attack in april.

A SAR radar on a MALE drone cost about $750K. Assuming Iran can reduce cost by 1/5th that’s still over $100K for one component of a drone. And we don’t know resolution and range quality of Iranian SARs. The FLIR that Turkish drone used was $1M made by a Canadian company and I’m not sure it even had SAR radar active on it based on video released.

The excuse that their entire fleet of SARs was mapping the Indian Ocean is laughable. But assuming it’s true, it further reinforces the point above that due to whatever factor (cost or otherwise) Iran’s fleet of SAR equipped drones is very small.

It also means that Yasir (scaneagle with SAR) likely wasn’t mass produced or was produced without the SAR.

Lastly, Iran had plenty of drones that could have flown low (Shahed family) and used their FLIR to locate wreckage. Especially considering the pilots of other helicopters (according to Raisi chief of staff) flew back immed after reaching the mine and realizing Riasi’s helicopter was missing to search for the helicopter. So the approx location of the crash site was always known by Iranian authorities.

You’re using meangless dollar mapping again. Definitely a blind spot of yours.

As for the ‘detection’ it’s less about the detection technology itself and more so about transmission. I wouldn’t assume satellite communication at all given Iran’s land and UAV middleman tech which enables alternate communications channels.