The possible ways of action of the Egyptian army in an initiated war against Israel

[Ghostkiller]

Situation is not the same as 67 or 73, even Russia can be more trustable today, because Russia does not count for the west in its future vision for the world.

Never trust anyone hahaha. Anyone will backstab anyone in any moment. Everybody is looking for their interests and Russia isn't trustable.

 

[SuperWarrior]

Never trust anyone. Anyone will backstab anyone in any moment. Everybody is looking for their interests and Russia isn't trustable.

Russia has always persued stupid interests... they have shown the hard way how they don t have any partner on the west, LOL, they though being heros from world war II would bring them partnership with the west... now they are alone and suffering sanctions, they must support China and Iran, or being forgotten in the history.

 

[The SC]

Bro.Egypt produced nothing in terms of military production.they got lazy after 1973.Egypt is scientifically unproductive.with no achievement in military or civilian sector.

I bet you went through that Egyptian military industries thread and it made you sick more than when you were just an ignorant of those facts..

 

[enroger]

Well, I'm sorry to say, but that is not what you said. You said this:



Having "the stomach for war in any real way" is a far cry from changing an inherent 80-year, defensive military doctrine & culture that has seen 4+ wars including the last one in 1973 that not only changed just the entire course of tank warfare tactics in the Middle East, but around the world. And to suggest it should emulate a militia that incorporates guerilla tactics as its primary methods of warfare is so absurd and insulting on such a level that I refuse to believe that was your intention. Because of how blatant that was.

The Egyptian army's dedicates a tremendous amount of training, resources and personnel to special operations forces in the army which include separate SOFs units, the paratrooper's corps, the navy corps and even within the mechanized & engineering corps. Not to mention its dedicated counterterrorism, SWAT & police. This is a real army placed in high worldly ranking not a guerilla posse. To suggest that is incomprehensible.

I'll tell you what, the Hezbollah analogy is not even worth touching, but I'll go with the Iran comparison for now since that's much more appropriate in terms of tactics only. But to suggest not having the stomach means you're implying Egypt doesn't have the wherewithal or even just plain will to go to war which is not only absurd to no end, it's insulting on another level.

That aside for now since I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and pretend your intentions were not to insult the willpower of the Egyptian army & people since they're both one and the same and engage you in the tactical elements of your argument.

I said in the beginning of this thread that if the whole idea of going to war against the zionist entity was ever to occur, it would only be in defense of Egypt from a zionist attack, and not the other way around. This is a plain fact. Egypt has no intentions to initiate a fight or an offensive war into Israel and its entire doctrine is predicated on defending the country's lands from invasion by the zionist entity only, since the other threats are minor by comparison. Libya & Sudan pose nothing compared to the zionist who BTW, attacked us twice and stole our dearly beloved Sinai Peninsula in a criminally shameful attempt to expand their territory. Had Egypt not fought back and won in 1973, the roadway to retrieving the entire peninsula would still be untenable just like the Golan Heights are for Syria.

As far as Iran is concerned, I have huge respect for its independent tenacity and resolve to maintain that independence from minimal reliance on the west. And their use of proxies is perfectly fine with me as long as it's intended to keep its enemies from harming it as well as in support of the Palestinian cause, but not for any aggression against Sunis of any nation which is another subject. I only mention it to be precise and cover everything.

Your suggestion of Iran's methods of asymmetrical warfare using proxies is not something that would benefit Egypt whatsoever. And in many ways, one can say it actually does exist to a certain extent with Hamas but it's in a different dynamic than the way Iran benefits from its proxies. So no, that asymmetrical stuff is not for Egypt.

Iran's air force certainly has its limitations as its presently constituted, but I don't buy the notion that it's ineffective or insignificant like many on this board do. The way it's shifted its strength into its drone-making ability and especially its ballistic missiles capability is where I see significant strength that is certainly worthy of emulating, to your point. Egyptian military industry is actually quite active with its drone production.

Other than that, Egypt's defensive posture is quite strong and capable and is only improving every year. What it lacks are potent offensive capabilities and I'm pretty sure the brass realizes that having strong offensive capabilities improves your defensive ones, so that's a must. The modernization of the entire military in just the last 10 years has been out of this world. And its ballistic missile program is completely covert and underground that only the barest of information is available which is a good thing.

I honestly suggest that you and @arjunk take a skim through this thread Egyptian Air Defense started by @The SC it's only 8 pages so far but a treasure trove of Egypt's air defense capabilities including all its radars ( @arjunk , to your point regarding what anti-stealth radars Egypt possesses etc. this will answer all of that and then some) and the EADS is only 1 of the 4 major military branches that make up the Egyptian Armed Forces and hopefully you'll get a better appreciation of how prepared the Egyptian military is to defend itself which goes completely against the implied notion of lack of wherewithal or fortitude. The other 3 branches are covered extensively in the Egyptian Armed Forces thread. Cheers.

You think me mentioning Hezbollah is meant as insult? I actually think highly of them and think even PLA can learn a thing or two from them.

Maybe Egypt's subservient attitude with respect to Rafah has clouded my judgment on Egypt's armed force, I apologize if I come across as insulting.

However my view on the importance of asymmetric doctrine remains, if Egypt is indeed pursuing ballistic missile then I'm happy for them. Unless Egypt can purchase 5th gen aircraft of their own, it is very difficult to compete with Israeli air force

 

[S.Y.A]

nothing to see but muslims with 100s and thousands of men in their being pussies, and then justifying their cowardice by any means necessary. no muslim country will ever stand up and fight for their muslim brothers.

Al-Quran, Surah Nisa, Verses 75-77:
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allāh and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper"?

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allāh, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of ṭāghūt.1 So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.

Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting]1 and establish prayer and give zakāh"? But then when battle was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allāh or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, "The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allāh. And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

 

[GoMig-21]

You think me mentioning Hezbollah is meant as insult?

No, not the Hezbollah mention in itself, but the dynamics of your analogy. The suggestion that the will to fight that exists in Hezbollah is what the Egyptian army lacks. That was the iffy part.

Also the dynamics/composition between the two is not even possible to compare. One is a major military of a country while the other is more of a guerilla/militia/resistance group that is part of a country's military yet separate. The dynamics are night & day that it's practically impossible to make any correlation or comparison between the two.

I actually think highly of them and think even PLA can learn a thing or two from them.

Absolutely. I take nothing away from them. From their makeup & capacity and what they've been able to accomplish is nothing short of admirable.

Maybe Egypt's subservient attitude with respect to Rafah has clouded my judgment on Egypt's armed force, I apologize if I come across as insulting.

No worries at all and I apologize also if I came across like an ass.

However my view on the importance of asymmetric doctrine remains, if Egypt is indeed pursuing ballistic missile then I'm happy for them. Unless Egypt can purchase 5th gen aircraft of their own, it is very difficult to compete with Israeli air force

And I agree with that. Egypt's military is constructed in a way that makes it as effective as it can be in a defensive stance given the weapons it can acquire and its domestic industry capacity, both of which are challenging to say the least.

There's no question that dealing with the zionist air force is a major challenge, but if anyone on this planet knows how to deal specifically with them, it's Egypt. It doesn't have to be strictly air force vs air force, but a combination of all military assets and that's where the Egyptian army is good at and experienced.

The other factor is the dynamics of a potential war. Most of these created topics are centered around the idea that Egypt would mount an offensive against the zionist state, but that's not what makes up the military or the doctrine. That's more centered around a defensive capability for a zionist attack since they pulled that crap on us 2/3 times already. This is the main reason why many of the particular weapons are not sold to Egypt for fear of not only mounting an attack, but even being able to defend in an offensive way. Example is AMRAAMs among other things.

I think the subject of a war between Egypt and Israel needs to and must be put into actual context before judging any of the possible outcomes.

 

[Admiral General Aladin]

I bet you went through that Egyptian military industries thread and it made you sick more than when you were just an ignorant of those facts..

Well. Egypt can only produce APC based on toyota chasis.your military is able to assemble m1a1 Abraham tank with american assist.remember only assemble.all of abraham parts are coming directly from America.and you only have m1a1,not m1a2.your shipyard is assembling a french corvette.again all parts are coming from france.and your ammunition manufacturing for aerial warfare is non existence.your airforce buying sow from UAE.your military even bought rpg from north korea.that's the level of your military production.

 

[enroger]

No, not the Hezbollah mention in itself, but the dynamics of your analogy. The suggestion that the will to fight that exists in Hezbollah is what the Egyptian army lacks. That was the iffy part.

Also the dynamics/composition between the two is not even possible to compare. One is a major military of a country while the other is more of a guerilla/militia/resistance group that is part of a country's military yet separate. The dynamics are night & day that it's practically impossible to make any correlation or comparison between the two.



Absolutely. I take nothing away from them. From their makeup & capacity and what they've been able to accomplish is nothing short of admirable.



No worries at all and I apologize also if I came across like an ass.



And I agree with that. Egypt's military is constructed in a way that makes it as effective as it can be in a defensive stance given the weapons it can acquire and its domestic industry capacity, both of which are challenging to say the least.

There's no question that dealing with the zionist air force is a major challenge, but if anyone on this planet knows how to deal specifically with them, it's Egypt. It doesn't have to be strictly air force vs air force, but a combination of all military assets and that's where the Egyptian army is good at and experienced.

The other factor is the dynamics of a potential war. Most of these created topics are centered around the idea that Egypt would mount an offensive against the zionist state, but that's not what makes up the military or the doctrine. That's more centered around a defensive capability for a zionist attack since they pulled that crap on us 2/3 times already. This is the main reason why many of the particular weapons are not sold to Egypt for fear of not only mounting an attack, but even being able to defend in an offensive way. Example is AMRAAMs among other things.

I think the subject of a war between Egypt and Israel needs to and must be put into actual context before judging any of the possible outcomes.

In retrospect, asking Egypt to go on the offensive is indeed asking too much(I admit I had that in mind with my earlier post). Despite the horrible genocide on the Palestinians, the first priority of Egyptian government is still Egypt itself especially given the economic situation. Hopefully when Egypt gets richer and more powerful they can commit more for the Palestinians

 

[The SC]

The Egyptian army prepares with live ammunition

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[Sami_1]

Well. Egypt can only produce APC based on toyota chasis.your military is able to assemble m1a1 Abraham tank with american assist.remember only assemble.all of abraham parts are coming directly from America.and you only have m1a1,not m1a2.your shipyard is assembling a french corvette.again all parts are coming from france.and your ammunition manufacturing for aerial warfare is non existence.your airforce buying sow from UAE.your military even bought rpg from north korea.that's the level of your military production.

APC based on toyota chassis
All of these vehicles failed. They do not have any protection, nor do they have a level of flexibility, and the engines are too weak to withstand good armor. Egypt has already gotten rid of most of the Panthera 6 vehicles, as well as most of the LT-79 vehicles, because they are not suitable. Egypt uses heavier vehicles and will rely on a 340-horsepower chassis.
The only vehicles that succeeded in the operations theater were the Crocodile 2, but it was based on the Ural-4320 vehicle, which is a vehicle with weak engines. Its capabilities were improved and it was able to provide adequate protection for soldiers, so it succeeded in exporting to African countries as well. The rest of the Crocodile family only entered service TEMSAH 3 and the ST-100/ vehicles. 500 There are Egyptian plans for heavier vehicles, and I think there are opportunities for Serbian 6*6, 8*8 or Korean vehicles.

The army chose this chassis instead of the failed and poor Tatra chassis used in Fahd & PATRIOT vehicles.


FAHD 4*4 vehicles, after using the Czech chassis, which is much worse than the Mercedes chassis, made the army reduce orders for it. It is funny that the Kader factory used the same unfortunate chassis.
TATRA T-815-7
He wants to produce the Czech PATRIOT vehicle, as if they specialize in choosing unsuccessful and poor products. They produced the LT-79 & T-98 vehicles and they failed, but leaders cannot be held accountable for their poor and failed choices. The same applies to the police riot control vehicle, which was rejected due to stupidity in choosing a long chassis, contrary to the needs of the police.


The Qadir 1 vehicle joined the series of failed and rejected products that characterize the KADAR brand. A long chassis was chosen that did not provide flexibility and speed in handling. A weak engine with a capacity of 150 HP was chosen, but of course it was rejected and they were expelled from the tender.

 

[The SC]

Lt. Col. Eli Dekel: Egypt is preparing to break out in a war against Israel

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He warns: The Egyptian army is preparing for war with the Israeli army! (video)



In a newspaper interview, Dekal issued a sharp warning to Israel about the Egyptian army's intentions. Dekal, who was head of the Field Research Branch of the Israeli Military Intelligence Service (AMAN), appeared as a guest on “The Melting Pot” podcast with Israeli journalist Shneur Weber.

In the podcast, Dekal noted that the Egyptian army's strengthening of its armed forces in recent years indicates its readiness for war with Israel. He claimed that the Egyptian army violated the peace agreement several times by increasing its forces in Sinai in recent years.

In the interview, Dekal said: “The Egyptian army is stationed on the border with Israel... I see Egyptian tanks parked in an area where no Egyptian soldier is allowed to remain in accordance with the peace agreement, and the actions of the Egyptian army in Sinai prove that it is ready for war with Israel.”

Dekal added, “Egypt has a great interest in preparing for a military confrontation at a time determined by the global power equation, and after its recognition of Israel following the Camp David Accords, it was denounced.”

According to Dekal, “Egypt has a great interest in Israel not existing, and until this goal is achieved, they are making every effort to reduce Israel’s capabilities.”

He added: “Last year, after all the stories that said that there is a wonderful relationship between us and the Egyptians, Egypt began digging huge tunnels under the Suez Canal. Unfortunately, I do not know all the tunnels in Sinai.” “Tunnels in the sides of the mountains, and this is in order to preserve strategic weapons, which are tunnels for storing strategic weapons.”

He added: “We are the enemy, and I do not know of any place where Egypt is arming itself, digging, and investing huge wealth in crossings, gates, ammunition, and fuel except Sinai. I do not believe that digging 60 tunnels in Sinai against Iran, for example, because the goal is clear, which is Israel.”

He added: “Egypt is equipping itself with offensive weapons to attack our aircraft. They are digging highly precise and fortified tunnels to hide their missiles capable of destroying Israel. They have been working for some time to have their equipment well hidden in the tunnels that have been carefully dug so that the missile-carrying vehicle can launch and return inside again.” Another one immediately.”

Dekal spoke about, “Since the beginning of the war in Gaza and Egypt, it has been threatening us in one way or another, and only in the past few days was the military academy in Cairo opened to the sound of drums by the spokesman for the Egyptian Armed Forces, and when President Sisi visited the military academy, the trainees learned what it is.” Weak points in the Israeli Merkava 4 tank. Two days earlier, the Egyptian army spokesman published a full propaganda film, in which he said: “We are preparing our army in case Israel does not listen to our wise advice not to occupy Philadelphia pass.”

 

[SuperWarrior]

Iran, Egypt and Turkiyeh must form a joint muslim coalition supported by Gulf finance powers and Pakistan.

This is needed to form an alliance, to touch any othe south western asia country means war with all the people of the region and oil traffic would crumble.

It s time to be strong and use oil power card, dollars has not real value, it must not be used for commerce, using dollars makes countries poorer, becaus ethis coin has not real value.

Of course, these countries must have thousands of nukes.

 

[lightning f57]

Iran, Egypt and Turkiyeh must form a joint muslim coalition supported by Gulf finance powers and Pakistan.

This is needed to form an alliance, to touch any othe south western asia country means war with all the people of the region and oil traffic would crumble.

It s time to be strong and use oil power card, dollars has not real value, it must not be used for commerce, using dollars makes countries poorer, becaus ethis coin has not real value.

Of course, these countries must have thousands of nukes.

Will happen one day insha allah. Now is not the time.

 

[SuperWarrior]

Will happen one day insha allah. Now is not the time.

Hope sooner than later. Hopefully.

 

[The SC]

Iran, Egypt and Turkiyeh must form a joint muslim coalition supported by Gulf finance powers and Pakistan.

This is needed to form an alliance, to touch any othe south western asia country means war with all the people of the region and oil traffic would crumble.

It s time to be strong and use oil power card, dollars has not real value, it must not be used for commerce, using dollars makes countries poorer, becaus ethis coin has not real value.

Of course, these countries must have thousands of nukes.

The only problem is those thousands of nukes..