Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

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[Ak01]

im assuming trying to “dump” them on PN for sea surveillance did not work either?
I’ve heard they aren’t very nice to fly either.

Yes- the PN is interested in Sea Sultan based AEW solution. Like P3 AEW. Probably poor performers- remember, they were only like $50m a peice iirc, that's less than what Nigeria paid for JF-17 B2.

 

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this is not true- i mean, farooqs part is, but the other isnt lol

 

[studsmart]

The ZDK is based off Russian An-12 which is a gas guzzler and hard to maintain. Comparing it to the C-130 is a joke

What are the paf analysts doing while evaluating the plane

 

[Oscar]

What are the paf analysts doing while evaluating the plane

Political pressure forced that purchase - mentioned multiple times and it is rumored that the chief at the time got into trouble with the kammando because of his objection for it.

Not sure if it was just diplomatic pressure from the OEM country or some greasing of palms too the general grapevince consensus is that the PAF did not want the ZDK. So whoever made it happen lost the PAF money by buying them then AND not buying more Erieyes ANd the PAF having to buy more now at a higher price and exchange rate

 

[Ak01]

What are the paf analysts doing while evaluating the plane

evaluations vs operational experience very different

 

[Quwa]

im assuming trying to “dump” them on PN for sea surveillance did not work either?
I’ve heard they aren’t very nice to fly either.

Yes- the PN is interested in Sea Sultan based AEW solution. Like P3 AEW. Probably poor performers- remember, they were only like $50m a peice iirc, that's less than what Nigeria paid for JF-17 B2.

IMO...based on the original tender documentation, it seems the PN might be using the LRMPA's built-in sensors for an AEW-type role. I don't think we'll see a dedicated AEW&C.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Political pressure forced that purchase - mentioned multiple times and it is rumored that the chief at the time got into trouble with the kammando because of his objection for it.

Not sure if it was just diplomatic pressure from the OEM country or some greasing of palms too the general grapevince consensus is that the PAF did not want the ZDK. So whoever made it happen lost the PAF money by buying them then AND not buying more Erieyes ANd the PAF having to buy more now at a higher price and exchange rate

Thats not entirely true......
At the time PAF had no way of making its Chinese complement of ac communicate with erieye directly and was working on it.......so they bought the karakrum eagle to fill a niche for a certain period of time.

After PAF had overcome the problem satisfactorily it did not need karakrum eagle n can do it more efficiently n cost effectively through erieye once it had them in nos...

With the latest induction they will hit double figures.....

 

[Ak01]

IMO...based on the original tender documentation, it seems the PN might be using the LRMPA's built-in sensors for an AEW-type role. I don't think we'll see a dedicated AEW&C.

possibly, i was looking at it from the more overall angle of pn's desire for a p3 based aew prior, but also from the current move of the PN building a GBAD system using a familiar MR system available to us, it would make alot of sense for a proper aew to provide OTH sensor data to their GBAD systems on the coastal areas

 

[Oscar]

Thats not entirely true......
At the time PAF had no way of making its Chinese complement of ac communicate with erieye directly and was working on it.......so they bought the karakrum eagle to fill a niche for a certain period of time.

After PAF had overcome the problem satisfactorily it did not need karakrum eagle n can do it more efficiently n cost effectively through erieye once it had them in nos...

With the latest induction they will hit double figures.....

No - the JF-17 had the capacity to get Link-16 but the supplier was cut off - and then LInk-17 could still do it via ground stations. I know because it came to my desk.

you do not buy 4 aircraft with a poor performance just because you see some hurdles with datalink.

 

[Ak01]

Thats not entirely true......
At the time PAF had no way of making its Chinese complement of ac communicate with erieye directly and was working on it.......so they bought the karakrum eagle to fill a niche for a certain period of time.

After PAF had overcome the problem satisfactorily it did not need karakrum eagle n can do it more efficiently n cost effectively through erieye once it had them in nos...

With the latest induction they will hit double figures.....

you are aware not even erieyes directly communicate with F-16s? All PAF assets communicate via GCS'/relays as i understand it.

 

[Oscar]

you are aware not even erieyes directly communicate with F-16s? All PAF assets communicate via GCS'/relays as i understand it.

Technically the vipers could via Link-16 but the GCS is specifically for the Link-17 aspect. There were reports that SAAB was considering working with PAF to introduce the LInk-17 encoding onto the Erieye but that would mean opening up sourcecode for both sides -

both of these are technically in the public domain in a sense with Mil-std 6016 open and Link-22 basically building on Link-11.

Link-22 was technically complimentary to Link-16 and the purpose of it is to allow greater distances for transmission of data without needing Airborne relay stations.

Probably more of a risk to SaaB than PAF since Link-17 is Link-16 in most respects except some elements of Link-22(those I cannot state because my head is precious and I dont want a Vigo for me at any time).

 

[spammmmer]

Still maintains an edge over iaf in awacs department saab erye is not a joke very advanced platform getting replaced by saab is better for paf.

 

[Bratva]

What happened to those reports and insider news that ZDK03 radars got upgraded to AESA in china recently and there were recent pictures of ZDK in china getting an upgraded radar?

A deliberate confusion being spread around ZDK. Either they were upgraded and PAF decided to give them to PN. Or they were not upgraded and the rumored deal of upgrading with Chinese's AESA radar fell apart due to unknown reasons, hence ZDK is planned to be retired.

 

[Waterboy]

Are the new saab 2000 upgraded to Eyrie ET with GAN based radar or they're the basic one's? What is our actual fleet looking like, since we retired 4 aircrafts?