Work begins on India's strategic highway on China frontier in Arunachal Pradesh; will give Indian forces hawk-eye view of LAC

[Joe Shearer]

Right after Dzeungarian problem fixed, 大小和卓 brothers revolted against Qing, that revolt infuriated Qianlong more , cause the brothers were actually hostages being held by Dzeungarians ,Qing troops rescued them and sent back to southern Xinjiang to rule the locals.

<sigh>
Yes, I am not going into the minute steps, because what was relevant in a discussion that started with Arunachal, what the PRC insists on calling South Tibet, was the causes of the expansion into these territories, the timing and the nature.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Not to you though as you can hear clearly

But there are those who talked of BOOMING BIG GUNS
.As if that will terrorised Chinese.

Who can fight and win against bigger guns such as 16 inch guns on battleships with their single shot bolt action rifles, and without Firedragons and twinned taile Scorpions then.

Those kind of people needed education that perhaps might save them more than pulling of ears.

MUCH MUCH BETTER TO BE FRIENDS AND BE PEACEFUL
AND NOT TRY TO RETAIN THINGS STOLEN FROM OTHERS LIKE ZIONIST JEWISH NAZIS

Did you know that India ruled indonesia during the Chola empire? using chinese logic we should be aksing for that 'territory' to be part of India. China has to learn that the modern state started with the territory it held during defition of new state. It's not the world's fault that China is not in step with history. Even during Soviet Union heyday they accpeted logic of EEZ at 20 nautical miles. It's not the world's fault that China is so selfish it claims an entire sea for itself.

Fact- China thinks it can impose it's will on others. Neither is it powerful enough, nor it is 'good' enough like it's own fantasies.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Not to you though as you can hear clearly

But there are those who talked of BOOMING BIG GUNS
.As if that will terrorised Chinese.

Who can fight and win against bigger guns such as 16 inch guns on battleships with their single shot bolt action rifles, and without Firedragons and twinned taile Scorpions then.

Those kind of people needed education that perhaps might save them more than pulling of ears.

MUCH MUCH BETTER TO BE FRIENDS AND BE PEACEFUL
AND NOT TRY TO RETAIN THINGS STOLEN FROM OTHERS LIKE ZIONIST JEWISH NAZIS

Why have you gone missing? You are needed rather urgently, elsewhere.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Yes, I know that, the point being that Turkic people, Muslim by faith, were moved into the homeland of Oirat Mongols who followed Tibetan Buddhism, after the Oirat had been wiped out.
The superficial point is about the high-handed manipulation of the border peoples by the Qing. Of course, it was provoked by the Dzungarian acts of violence and aggression in the first place, but the suppression was brutal.
Far more important is the point that is dodged by most contemporary Chinese commenting on the situation, that in the thinking of Han, Tang, Song and Ming, China was Han (ethnic, not dynasty) China, and the Mongols and Tibetans were external, border people to be guarded against, while the Qing changed the policy to absorb both Mongol and Tibetan.

Manchu aristacrats aligned with Mongols from day one, that's their foundation of governance over whole China. Manchus are Chinese, no other countries have significant Manchu population other than China, so Manchus are 100% Chinese.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Did you know that India ruled indonesia during the Chola empire? using chinese logic we should be aksing for that 'territory' to be part of India. China has to learn that the modern state started with the territory it held during defition of new state. It's not the world's fault that China is not in step with history. Even during Soviet Union heyday they accpeted logic of EEZ at 20 nautical miles. It's not the world's fault that China is so selfish it claims an entire sea for itself.

Fact- China thinks it can impose it's will on others. Neither is it powerful enough, nor it is 'good' enough like it's own fantasies.

OK, so you've got the point I was trying to make. That's it. Except that India did not rule directly, but culturally. If you have the time, my respected kinsman and great scholar, R. C. Majumdar, has written about the spread of Indian influence into SE Asia, from Myanmar through into Vietnam, and all the lands in between.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Manchu aristacrats aligned with Mongols from day one, that's their foundation of governance over whole China. Manchus are Chinese, no other countries have significant Manchu population other than China, so Manchus are 100% Chinese.

Excellent try, but not acceptable, that is a claim, as the Manchu originated with the border Jurchen, and came into China proper as conquerors and colonisers, displacing a Chinese dynasty, one of the outstanding ones, the Ming.

Even today, every Chinese film-maker makes it clear that Chinese was not Manchu. What you say is not what your cultural voices say. You will have to work to suppress them.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Manchu aristacrats aligned with Mongols from day one, that's their foundation of governance over whole China. Manchus are Chinese, no other countries have significant Manchu population other than China, so Manchus are 100% Chinese.

If you look closely, sentence 1 contradicts sentence 2.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Did you know that India ruled indonesia during the Chola empire? using chinese logic we should be aksing for that 'territory' to be part of India.

Of course we always know countries expand and contract, Qing dynasty lost around 4 million square kilometers to Russia and central Asian countries, but we didn't try to get them back and we reached border agreement with almost all 14 neighbors.

 

[Guynextdoor]

OK, so you've got the point I was trying to make. That's it. Except that India did not rule directly, but culturally. If you have the time, my respected kinsman and great scholar, R. C. Majumdar, has written about the spread of Indian influence into SE Asia, from Myanmar through into Vietnam, and all the lands in between.

I read Majumdar's history book during UPSC preparation. I think the Srivijaya empire in SE asia was invaded by the Cholas (or maybe Pandyas). It is still a good parallel because according to the chinese 'Mogols invaded China so Mongolia belongs to China'. That's like saying Babur came from Farghana/ Samarkand so Afghanistan belongs to us. Britain colonized India so Britian belongs to us.

 

[Guynextdoor]

Manchu aristacrats aligned with Mongols from day one, that's their foundation of governance over whole China. Manchus are Chinese, no other countries have significant Manchu population other than China, so Manchus are 100% Chinese.

Oh my god IS THERE A SINGLE POST YOU PUT WHICH IS NOT A PANEGYRIC OF ALL THINGS CHINA?

 

[Beijingwalker]

If you look closely, sentence 1 contradicts sentence 2.

Han rule over China, so as Mongols and Manchus did, there 's no contradiction, China is never a single ethnicity country.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Oh my god IS THERE A SINGLE POST YOU PUT WHICH IS NOT A PANEGYRIC OF ALL THINGS CHINA?

You go and ask any Manchu person in the world about which country they are from, you can only hear one answer.

 

[Shanlung]

Right after Dzeungarian problem fixed, 大小和卓 brothers revolted against Qing, that revolt infuriated Qianlong more , cause the brothers were actually hostages being held by Dzeungarians ,Qing troops rescued them and sent back to southern Xinjiang to rule the locals.

Revolt of the Altishahr Khojas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Beijingwalker]

Revolt of the Altishahr Khojas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thank you, I can never remember their English names.

This guy was a real legend! And probably one of the most underrated generals in the Chinese history. In battles, he created miracles after miracles.
Every times I read the battles he led in various books I was wowed by his unrivaled tactics and leadership.



兆惠

 

[ety]

Time to examine the PRC title to Tibet, and time to ask them not to undertake any controversial projects until the matter is sorted out.

Time to examine the state of India union, whether it is entitled. Tibet/Xizang matter is purely China's.