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KAI can not develop even an UCAV like Turkish AKINCI

KAI dreams but TAI develops

HURJET with ANKA-3
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Also KIZIELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet with KAAN





ASELSAN has developed everything itself in 15 years
from Targeting Pod to Jamming Pod
from AESA Radars to EW Suite
from Radar EW Systems to IFF System
from E/O Systems to Avionics
from Air Defense Systems to guided munitions
and many more

on the other hand Israel gave AESA Radar technology to S.Korea for the KF-21
and S.Korea lacks these technologies and using American-Israeli-French Systems

As usual, you argue about inevitable matters. You just want to force them to buy your equipment. Isn't this a kind of waste of your generosity? Just as you humbled yourself for the return of relations, you say that Korea does not possess Korea. You classify it higher than Turkey. Turkey imports from Korea the technology for manufacturing tanks in full, and the engines for the tanks, and before that, the engines for the self-propelled artillery. Turkey is a technical customer for the South Koreans. You bypass them with complete disregard. They are the ones who established the tank and self-propelled artillery industry for you.
 
Turkiye and USA have signed an agreement a few days ago
Turkiye will produce GE F-404 Engine for HURJET mass production and export

as like Turkiye has produced GE F-110 Engines for F-16s



And We dont care about these People who said KAAN is a plastic mock up a few years ago

Now there is KAAN Fighter Jet
and 35.000 lbf turbofan Engine is on the way

Also TF-6.000 and TF-10.000 turbofan Engines to power the KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
Repeating the same stupid thought, talking about the future as if it happened in the past and drawing stupid conclusions from it with an imaginary superiority, you are lying professionally
 
60 km MICA is nothing to compare with 120 km AIM-120C7
also Turkish Air Force buys 160 km AIM-120C8

Even 100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile entered service
and 200 km GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air Missile on the way


Egypt bought RAFALE but without METEOR Missile
that means monkey model weapon as like F-16 without AIM-120
As usual, you pretend to be stupid and ignore the facts and falsify them.

First, Turkey does not have the modern versions of the AIM-120C8 missiles, the AIM-120C7, it requested the contract and it was not implemented.

The Mirage 2000 over Serbian airspace was crippled by AIM-120 missiles when they were fired at it by mistake.

The old versions of the MICA missiles had a range of 60 kilometers and after 2014 they became 80 kilometers, in addition to the latest version that Egypt contracted for, MICA-NG, with a range of 120-160 kilometers, so do not claim stupidity and ignorance.

The ignorance was repeated in 2015 when Egypt contracted for the RAFALE aircraft. The METEOR missile had not been integrated into the RAFALE aircraft in the production versions, and it is natural that Egypt did not contract for it.

The technical batch of the Rafale is 30 aircraft, including METERO and MICA-NG missiles.

Turkey does not have an equivalent to the METERO missile and will not have one, even the AIM-120C8 missile is more advanced and leveled than the European missile.

The SU-35 deal that you deny also includes R-37M missiles.

And you are hiding important facts.

Turkey does not have old versions of the AIM-120B/C missiles, and in very limited numbers. Turkish missiles have not entered service, and Turkey wants to buy 900 AIM-120C7/8 missiles because Turkey does not have a real Turkish or non-Turkish air-to-air missile. You always imagine the superiority of a country that was struck at the Al-Watiya military base and did not dare to respond to the insult, but rather requested the restoration of relations and humbled itself to it and said that you are actually superior. You are superior because of your strategic stupidity.
 
total BS. We have TS 1400 , TF6000, TF1000,tei tj90,tei tj300, KTJ 1750,KTJ3200,KTJ3700 and some TEI made piston engines there is no foreign input in them.

We gave some jobs to Ukros to do it for KAAN engine, there is strict time limitation and we dont have enough manpower within that timeframe thats the reason,if we had a luxury to extend time there was no ukros in this project too.
BS is the result of your thinking and strategic stupidity

You use Ukrainian engines and Ukrainian technology in your equipment

Ukrainian engines AL-25 AL-450 for your air equipment from AKANCI, KIZILELMA drones

Even the ATAKA-2 aircraft uses a Ukrainian TV3-117 turboshaft engine

Production of the American engine by reverse engineering or under license under the name TS-1400 does not mean that you are superior only for a large price. Let's clarify things, you spent dozens of liras transferring technology from Israel, Europe and America, and despite this, your military capabilities are limited

The fact that you admit that Turkey is supporting the development of the 35,000 engine for Ukraine is evidence of the lack of the ability to design and develop a national engine, and also the great risk. Ukraine does not have a turbofan engine to equip a fighter with this capacity

You are a front for Ukraine, nothing more, and you claim an imaginary superiority because you simply pay a lot, an article of great risks, and also In return for the modesty of the Turkish Air Force, you have fallen into strategic deception and weakening your air force. Since 2019, you have been expelled from the F-35 program, and America finally agreed to provide you with F-16 BLOCK 70 aircraft for a huge amount that drained your budget and also humiliated you for $ 23 billion. In the end, you will have an air force weaker than the Greek Air Force, which has better aircraft.

Greece is now crushing you. Up until this moment, it has developed 24 F-16 BLOCK 70 aircraft and obtained 24 RAFALE aircraft with AESA radars. Greece has bought 20 F-35 aircraft and aims to buy

40 additional RAFALE aircraft and 20 F-35 aircraft and even 20 M346 aircraft for ground attack missions in exchange for zero F-16 fighters equipped with AESA radars in service. You are still talking about the future, illusions and dreams

You create childish scenarios of 40 AKANCI drones that will crush the Greek Navy, and you originally only have 15 AKANCI aircraft with modest engines and modest capabilities, and a MIG-21 aircraft that can easily shoot them down.

You create a scenario of the superiority of the KIZILELMA aircraft, which has not entered mass production or service, and it can only, at the level of your childish minds and dreams, outperform any fourth-generation fighter.

You have superiority in imagination and dreams and expecting an imaginary future that does not exist, but the current situation makes you very miserable, and the greatest extent of your misery is your stupid and childish mind and your imaginary superiority.

You said a few years ago that we are waiting for two earthquakes to strike Turkey, and the Facebook administration was angry with your words, and after a few months, the first earthquake struck you, and when the last one appears, it will eliminate a large part of your civilization, while you live in dreams and illusions of superiority, and the result is your failure in the Eastern Mediterranean as a result of your policy and plans. clumsy
 
As usual, you pretend to be stupid and ignore the facts and falsify them.

First, Turkey does not have the modern versions of the AIM-120C8 missiles, the AIM-120C7, it requested the contract and it was not implemented.

As usual you are trolling

Turkiye bought 145 AIM-120C7 air to air Missiles


Even We used AIM-120C7 air to air Misssiles to hit Russian and Syrian SU-24 Fighter Jets

Because AIM-120C7 is networked air to air Missile which can use AESA Radar of the Boeing E-7T AEWC for network centric warfare capability in BVR combat



The old versions of the MICA missiles had a range of 60 kilometers and after 2014 they became 80 kilometers, in addition to the latest version that Egypt contracted for, MICA-NG, with a range of 120-160 kilometers, so do not claim stupidity and ignorance.

You have claims stupidity and ignorance

Egypt bought RAFALE Fighter Jets with 60 km MICA air to air Missiles

The Egyptian Navy buys the VL MICA NG
 
You are strange, you play with words. Korea is an alternative to China. You want to force us to deal with you.

S.Korea is not any alternative to China while S.Korea using American-Israeli-French Systems and Missiles for FA-50 and KF-21

So You can buy only monkey model weapon from S.Korea as like F-16 without AIM-120 and RAFALE without METEOR Missile
 
Ok
then go and buy BVR air to air Missiles and land attack Cruise Missiles from China , Russia , India for 200 F-16s and 24 RAFALEs

because USA-France dont sale these weapons to Egypt

Egypt could not buy even SU-35 from Russia
and you are still dreaming about FC-31 from China

also MIG-29M2 is easy target for even KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in BVR combat

FA-50 or TEJAS can not match with even Turkish KIZILELMA

Egypt interest in KIZILELMA
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As usual, it is always stupid to try to undermine the other's strength and claim superiority to hide your strategic weakness.

Egypt has 30 Rafale aircraft under delivery. Before the end of 2024, Egypt will receive 6 aircraft. In 2025, it will receive 20 aircraft. In 2026, Egypt will receive 4 aircraft to complete the delivery before Turkey develops one F-16 with an AESA radar.

It is stupid to make a product under development for an unmanned aircraft superior to a fourth-generation fighter aircraft just to show superiority. Your air force failed to obtain Egyptian fighters when it crushed the Libyan Al-Watiya base and destroyed the electronic warfare systems. It also jammed them before the attack and took the Turkish electronic warfare systems out of service during the destruction. Unmanned aircraft can always be controlled and jammed.

You are a regional enemy of Egypt. Egypt obtained the KIZILELMA aircraft from Turkey and the CH-7 aircraft from China. The WZ-7 and WJ-700 aircraft with the new generation of fighters is Egypt's continuation of superiority and managing the air suppression process for any Turkish dreams. You are stupid to a strategic degree for a simple reason. We have a stronger air force despite your claims. You are Turks, Europeans and Americans are fighting Russia, and Russia has turned Arab weapons into scrap and garbage. Russian missiles are the longest-range missiles in destroying fighters. And an idiot like you comes and classifies a country like Turkey that has an old fleet of F-16 fighters that Egypt has begun to retire from service with better fighters. It is better than fighters like the RAFALE only to hide your weakness and strategic failure in securing the needs of the Turkish Air Force in modern fighters. That is, you simply criticize Russian missiles and Chinese and French missiles only in order to show your miserable air force that it is superior and that in the future it will have a drone that will be superior. I did not talk about Egypt developing its air force in a greater way. One month, Egypt is already negotiating with China to obtain FC-31 aircraft and its local manufacture

You stupidly say Egypt dreams of the T-50 aircraft and your HURJET aircraft will enter service in 2025 as a kind of lie you did not contract for GE F-404 engines and you think that your lies will fool us first Egypt is negotiating to obtain the best equipment Turkey does not dream of obtaining it at all and will not obtain it
You claim the superiority of Turkish aircraft it did not find engines and was not manufactured at all
You idiot, if a war breaks out today between Turkey and Greece, Greece will destroy the Turkish Air Force that is superior to Turkey at that time. Will you say wait for us for several years until our drone aircraft agrees on you What is this high level of drug addiction and high-quality hashish that you are addicted to? You must be realistic. You see forcing us to cooperate extensively with you with claims of superiority and we actually have alternatives to you
You idiot, Egypt obtains weapons at low prices with a loss in exchange for a high reputation for the Air Force The Egyptian and that it opens the markets, the Rafale fighters did not succeed in the global market until Egypt bought 54 of them, so its production lines became crowded until 2032, and you compare your modest equipment and claim superiority only to hide your strategic weakness, you idiot, you fell into the trap, you were deprived of F-35 fighters. Even the F-16 deal is stalled and means a long period for delivery. Greece sold its old fleet of F-16s, MIRAGE-2000s and obtained new defenses, and then it will be in a strategic predicament and you will fight with drones and at great risk because you do not have an alternative. You idiot, Egypt is negotiating F-31 aircraft and even J-10 aircraft to provide the quantity and quality of fighters to crush Turkey's dreams originally, and you compare your weak air force that is waiting for a failed corrupt deal of $23 billion to develop 80 F-16 aircraft and obtain new F-16 fighters, rejecting any weapon Respected Joe America itself has not bought F-16 fighters for 25 years and continues to annoy us with the misery of your armament situation and claims superiority and only claims that the Egyptian aircraft are less effective than the Turkish aircraft, despite Egypt having better aircraft than Turkey. Does an idiot like you know the truth about the armament of the Egyptian fighters? Ignore it. Before the October 1973 war, Egypt bought F-4D fighters from arms dealers and used them in preparation for the 1973 war despite the state of hostility between Egypt and America. The source code for the F-16 fighters was hacked years ago in many countries, and Egypt has relations with many countries. It can obtain prohibited American ammunition, and Egypt has always done so through intermediary countries. In addition, the modernization rates of the Egyptian Air Force are high. 54 Rafale fighters. Egypt has not announced the suspension of the SU-35 deal, and yet we ignore it. Egypt has requested the development of MIG-29M fighters with AESA radars, and the extent of the completion of this program has not been announced. In other words, simply put, in any case, we possess more than enough And the qualitative is upon you, and you do not have a single fighter with AESA radar in service, and you have old, miserable missiles that are easy to jam with AIM-120BC missiles. Oh child, in the 1973 war, Israeli Phantom fighters were firing AIM-7 missiles at Egyptian MIG-21 fighters, trying to hit them and even disperse the Egyptian formation. Despite this, the Egyptians' loss rates were lower, and we target Israeli fighters, and you repeat your lies, thinking that you have superiority to hide your weakness.

You are a miserable country, Egypt struck you in Al-Watiya and you were silenced.

Israel killed the Turks on the Freedom Ship and with the blackout, humiliation.

Greece suppresses you by air in the Aegean Sea every day, and you do not dare to respond, and you think that you are melting on us on the Internet, and you are a paper tiger.

Do not compare the Turkish economy with the Egyptian economy. You were a trillion-dollar economy, then it fell to 700 billion dollars and is still falling. The Turkish lira is still falling. Inflation in Turkey today is 71%, interest rate is 4150 basis points, and you are talking about seeing the European giant saying that you are approaching starvation, you idiot. Know your true size before you speak and do not think that some of the games you are making have made you influential or affected your strategic position in the Eastern Mediterranean or achieved gains for you, but you lost and knelt and humiliated yourself for the return of relations. This is the truth, not Turkish arms games that have no impact. What is the value of the Turkish defense industry and why did it not give Turkey a real regional influence?
 
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Egypt obtained weapons worth 70 billion dollars, not including a Turkish product worth one dollar, and you are re-offering your goods to us.

Egypt doesnt have money to spent $70 billion to buy weapons


Egypt military spending/defense budget for 2023 was almost $5 billion

Even if you use the entire budget to buy weapons ,
Egypt can spend $70 billion in 14 years

but you can not spend the entire budget to buy weapons
that means Egypt can buy weapons worth $70 billion in 30 years



As long as Egypt has not announced the cancellation of the SU-35 deal, your words are worthless.

No any SU-35 to Egypt and Egyptian SU-35s goes to Iran
Its reality
 
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I really don't understand the Turks, they don't respect anyone and they claim superiority and that they are strong and you are in control and that they are the best, then they grovel to buy their weapons and they claim that there is no alternative to them, although we are really rid of them and we have an alternative. What is this backward, miserable, sterile thinking they have? As long as you are superior, stronger and better than us, why do you want to cooperate with us? Why do you grovel to us so that we buy your equipment? So do not impose your will on anyone at all, instead of being the biggest loser in the Eastern Mediterranean, you have no islands and you have not obtained economic zones and no one fears you or values you or gives you any existence, then we find arrogance towards everyone, so go to hell
 
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Turkey imports from Korea the technology for manufacturing tanks in full, and the engines for the tanks, and before that, the engines for the self-propelled artillery. Turkey is a technical customer for the South Koreans. You bypass them with complete disregard. They are the ones who established the tank and self-propelled artillery industry for you.

We are talking about Aviation Industry
and S.Korea is nothing to compare with Turkiye in aviation industry


Turkey does not have an equivalent to the METERO missile and will not have one, even the AIM-120C8 missile is more advanced and leveled than the European missile.

1-- Egypt doesnt have AIM-120 and METEOR

2-- Turkiye has 120 km AIM-120C7 and Turkiye buys 160 km AIM-120C8

Also Turkiye has developed 100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile which is equivalent to the AIM-120C7

200 km GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missile on the way


Egypt needs Turkiye for advanced Missiles
Because USA-France dont sale AIM-120 and METEOR Missiles to Egypt
and S.Korea doesnt have its own BVR air to air Missile
 
Do not compare the Turkish economy with the Egyptian economy. You were a trillion-dollar economy, then it fell to 700 billion dollars and is still falling. The Turkish lira is still falling. Inflation in Turkey today is 71%, interest rate is 4150 basis points, and you are talking about seeing the European giant saying that you are approaching starvation, you idiot.

You can fool only yourselves
Your Egypt is nothing to compare with Turkiye which has bigger economy than Egypt+Greece+Israel combined

Turkish GDP is $1,4 trillion now
and even 3,4 million Syrian refugees in Turkiye are not starvation idiot

You are dreaming about buying weapons worth $70 billion

on the other hand Turkiye spent even $100 billion for humanitarian aid to other muslims

even Turkish Airlines buys 575 new Planes for $100 billion from AIRBUS and BOEING



Türkiye wants to establish good relations with all countries in the region, including Syria

Reality is one that Turkish Forces are everywhere
N.Cyprus , Iraq , Syria , Azerbaijan , Libya , Qatar , Somalia and in the Eastern Mediterranean
 
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Can anyone tell him this is the thread on Egypt‘s Air Show and not again a Turkish propaganda thread!

About all the last page could be deleted as off topic, chest bumping and irrelevant comparison
 
total BS. We have TS 1400 , TF6000, TF1000,tei tj90,tei tj300, KTJ 1750,KTJ3200,KTJ3700 and some TEI made piston engines there is no foreign input in them.

We gave some jobs to Ukros to do it for KAAN engine, there is strict time limitation and we dont have enough manpower within that timeframe thats the reason,if we had a luxury to extend time there was no ukros in this project too.


Can we please stop posting BS and lies - aka we have already since you have them as projects and not service - and stick to the topic?
 
Egypt can not even imagine about the Turkish Defense Industry



Turkiye has developed GaN based AESA Radars ... only a few countries in the world

-- ALP-300G AESA Radar for SIPER Air Defense System ( in service )
-- CENK AESA Radar for ISTIF class Frigate ( in service )

-- MURAD AESA Radar integrated into AKINCI UCAV and now F-16 is flying with MURAD AESA Radar for test phase
( We have this technology now to modernize F-16 fleet )


also BURFIS AESA Radar for the KAAN Fighter Jet and CAFRAD AESA Radar for the TF-2000 Destroyer on the way


produced with 100% national resources, from chip level to final system integration.


Airborne AESA Radars in Europe


CAPTOR-E .... consortium ( The UK ,Germany , Italy , Spain ) ... Eurofighter
RBE2 ... France .... Rafale
RAVEN ES-05 ... Italy ..... JAS GRİPEN
MURAD ... Turkiye ... F-16 , AKINCI , HURJET , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3

Also BURFIS ... Turkiye ... under development for KAAN Fighter Jet
Why you bringing Turkey into this?
 

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