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[indushek]

You are right here, but right now India has 5 different competing fighter projects. Turkey and SoKo are examples of how fast you can proceed bu just focusing on one project. If they can do it so can India. issue is resources being stretched in many directions and of course project management by HAL (Or the 4th branch of Pakistan's military as many are nicknaming it!)

Its actually just 3 (Mk2 / TEDBF / AMCA), but we need to go through this labor and pain of delivery. Given the trouble of co-operation between tri-services, ORCA is a myth.

TEDBF is for Navy, so effectively its just two projects for Airforce.

The idea of Mk1, Mk1A, Mk2 and AMCA (Lot of LRU are said to be common between three, keeping aside step up in tech between LWF/MWF/5th Gen) is aim for commonality, but then we have our limitations. We are trying to catch up to five plus decades of Military Industrial Complex. There is no other option here, this has to be done if we have to be independent.

If we don't, well we will be left at Mercy of West or Russians. Considering all our disadvantages managerially as of now, one thing am sure is our GOI is at least taking one step at a time towards independence.

Biggest mistake (of which we have no small list), is stopping funding of Kaveri. Delay in Mk1A production or stalling of Mk2 despite CCS permission till engine issues are clarified, vis a vis GE is actually a positive step. Things are being understood that without heart, a body doesn't function.

We move at a Elephant's speed, so its expected.

As for 14yrs ahead for PAF, I actually see this positively. Doesn't matter if the OP's view is right or not, its a good thing. Will put fire under behinds of everyone it needs to be put under, on this side of the border.

If am not wrong Pakistani Armed forces, have always waited to see what we do at platform level before making their move. If they move first, then we get to know what we are going to face.

 

[indushek]

I don't know why you calling Tejas mark one under development it's dog fighting typhoon and Rafales

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Reading too much into what is said, during friendly events isn't that helpful.

Tejas was always a replacement to Mig, and supposed to kickstart aerospace manufacturing locally. A second attempt actually after we missed the bus once before. Mig-21 is a aircraft produced in 60's, just to understand what we tried to create and succeeded (minus engine mind you). Am not saying Tejas in current form, is equivalent to tech Mig had back then. Even Mig's have gone through lot of development over years. Still it shows how lagging we are aerospace manufacturing wise, but we are going ahead and that is positive.

The real deal is yet to come, Mk2 and then AMCA.

 

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[CombatCorner]

Pakistani military has consistently claimed superiority over the Indian military, yet has lost all wars with India. In 1971, despite operating the most advanced American Sabre jets, they were defeated in just 12 days, surrendering 60% of their country and 93,000 armed troops to India.

The pathetic condition of slumdog strays becomes obvious when they come crawling even when you don't throw them a bone.
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Some culling is required :

 

[Yasser76]

Let me compare current Pakistani air force in service fighters

24 j10 not sure all delivered as yet
30.block 3 thunders
120 block thunder 1/2
55 F7

18 block 52s falcons
55 F16 block 30/40
50/75 mirage 3/5

5 different types right now

Defense Budget 8 billion

India
36 Rafales
40 Tejas mark 1
265 su30mki
65 mig29m
50 mirage 2000/5
120 jaguars

Six types

Defense budget 75 billion dollars

Considering your painfully tiny resources you do well
But I don't see big inductions of Chinese fighters ever you don't have the resources

In contrast I see big orders for India almost certainly happening
Might be late but it's happening

Just for your reference India navy finally signed the project 75i German submarine deal 7 billion dollars ...I know you have critiqued this in past so the air for e will follow suit ...things are slow too slow you ate right but the govt eventually do provide the resources

I am not talking about types in service but how many are being funded for devlopment

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistani military has consistently claimed superiority over the Indian military, yet has lost all wars with India. In 1971, despite operating the most advanced American Sabre jets, they were defeated in just 12 days, surrendering 60% of their country and 93,000 armed troops to India.

And as per usual, needs to veer the argument away from the topic when he is losing badly post reported

 

[Yasser76]

Its actually just 3 (Mk2 / TEDBF / AMCA), but we need to go through this labor and pain of delivery. Given the trouble of co-operation between tri-services, ORCA is a myth.

TEDBF is for Navy, so effectively its just two projects for Airforce.

The idea of Mk1, Mk1A, Mk2 and AMCA (Lot of LRU are said to be common between three, keeping aside step up in tech between LWF/MWF/5th Gen) is aim for commonality, but then we have our limitations. We are trying to catch up to five plus decades of Military Industrial Complex. There is no other option here, this has to be done if we have to be independent.

If we don't, well we will be left at Mercy of West or Russians. Considering all our disadvantages managerially as of now, one thing am sure is our GOI is at least taking one step at a time towards independence.

Biggest mistake (of which we have no small list), is stopping funding of Kaveri. Delay in Mk1A production or stalling of Mk2 despite CCS permission till engine issues are clarified, vis a vis GE is actually a positive step. Things are being understood that without heart, a body doesn't function.

We move at a Elephant's speed, so its expected.

As for 14yrs ahead for PAF, I actually see this positively. Doesn't matter if the OP's view is right or not, its a good thing. Will put fire under behinds of everyone it needs to be put under, on this side of the border.

If am not wrong Pakistani Armed forces, have always waited to see what we do at platform level before making their move. If they move first, then we get to know what we are going to face.

Well even three fighter projects is more then the US and China.

If Pakistan gets stealth fighters Indias options will be severely limited. At a push it could compromise it's autonomy massively and go for F-35, but then you are just an email away from the Americans disabling your premier fighter

 

[Yasser76]

I don't know why you calling Tejas mark one under development it's dog fighting typhoon and Rafales

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Mk1A is under development, you were flying baseline MK1 in the exercise

 

[harpy1]

I am not talking about types in service but how many are being funded for devlopment

Your funding jibe has been rebuked twice by two of us now ...I notice you. Ignored it

India had two fighter projects going on
Tejas mark 2 which is carrying alot of know how from mark 1
And the daddy of all the fifth generation fighter programme Amca
Both will be inducted
Despite you claiming Tejas mark 1 being the same bracket its not
One it's in service and two it has no further funding development like Amca and mark 2 Tejas

 

[Yasser76]

Your funding jibe has been rebuked twice by two of us now ...I notice you. Ignored it

India had two fighter projects going on
Tejas mark 2 which is carrying alot of know how from mark 1
And the daddy of all the fifth generation fighter programme Amca
Both will be inducted
Despite you claiming Tejas mark 1 being the same bracket its not
One it's in service and two it has no further funding development like Amca and mark 2 Tejas

Nothing has been rebuked at all. My point lies in plain and simple facts, India cannot sustain dvelopment of three fighters at a normal pace. 23 years for 35 planes is all the proof one needs.

AMCA and MK2 are just models right now. Even if you took HALF the time to develop them as you did with Tejas you will have them by around 2038.

Good luck

 

[harpy1]

Mk1A is under development, you were flying baseline MK1 in the exercise

Ok you win we have 9 planes under project
You forgot
Super mki upgrade
Prachand helicopters
Dhruv helicopters
Rafale license build tbc

Plus the five you going on about

 

[Yasser76]

Ok you win we have 9 planes under project
You forgot
Super mki upgrade
Prachand helicopters
Dhruv helicopters
Rafale license build tbc

Plus the five you going on about

All hot air. We are fast aproaching 2025 and not even two full tejas squadrons in IAF.

SIMPLE FACT.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi, bro.
This is not the attitude of discussion that a "Think Tank" should have.

Hi,

I don't have any problem with discussion as long as they are within the parameters---.

Within the last 10 years---pak military is as advanced in weaponry as any other nation minus the 5th gen aircrafts and nuc powered submarines---not including the 5 super powers.

I forgot to mention the upgrade of Agosta 90's to the most modern standards---.

And this has all happened in the realm of poverty stricken pakistan.

All these procurements are of very high quality and capable weaponry---.

Golda Meir once said in response to her weapons purchase at a time when israel was poorer than pakistan---" no one will ask you if you had eggs in your breakfast or you had butter and jam for your toast "

 

[MastanKhan]

He is not a Think tank, he is a fanatic Pakistani nationalist with a boasted ego, in fact a car seller and just a grumpy old man who surely knows a lot but instead of teaching is always spreading hate and insults, is deliberately posting lies & false information, applauds each and every stupid claim as long as it fits his agenda "Pakistan is great" (what is surely is, but not based on lies & propaganda) only then to brag around he would mislead foreign spies like me!

Just forget him, even if I would be more than happy if he would follow his own advice:

Hi,

If you are not embarrassed about your aircraft Picture Books claim of fame---why should any hardworking person be about his profession.