Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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It doesn't work like that.

Oil infrastructure is not a military target, it's a economic and civilian target

If Israel hits something that's important for Iran, then Iran justifiably will hit vital infrastructure inside Israel

Israel is TINY
It only has three water desalination plants
It has a centralized energy system
A main nuclear site in dimona
Only a few major cities and ports

Iran has been very reasonable In its attacks and has concentrated in bleeding Israel through multiple resistance groups and that will be it's long term strategy, but if Israel acts stupid then expect the next iranian response to slap into Israels vital infrastructure
yeah, you are correct in a way.

But think in the other way, Israel is Tiny so it doesn't have too much to defend. The THAAD systems would be there to protect critical infrastructure. Even if destroyed, Israeli will rebuild them fast.

Remember how US defeated Saddam Hussein in Iraq ?. Same will happen here. Combined strength of Israel in front and Nato in background will overwhelm Iran.

Think about it. This is the last chance for US to overthrow Khamenei regime and avenge 1979 Tehran Hostage incident before Iran acquires nuclear weapons.

Even, Saudi and Turkiye will 100% support US to cut down Iran to size once and for all.
 
Hamas kills IDF Commander and seriously injures another IDF Commander in IED explosion

Hamas IED in North Gaza killed the commander of the IDF 401st Armoured Brigade and seriously injured the commander of the 401st Armoured Brigade's 52nd Battalion

This is the highest ranking IDF terrorist to be liquidated in Hamas since the genocide started

Another 2 IDF terrorists were injured in the same attack, and another IDF terrorist was seriously wounded in a separate sniper attack.
 
I have not heard or protests recently
Some protests are going on:
 
I'm saying that Iran has enhanced its credibility and established deterrence to the point that adversaries realize that attacking it will come at an unacceptable cost. Not only will Iran devastate Israel, but they've said that they'll blow up US bases and Arab oil infrastructure, which will cause the world economy to collapse. I think the US sees this threat as credible, and will, therefore, avoid attacking Iran. Instead, they'll work on regime change, which is also their strategy for Russia.

Hamas and Hezbollah are on their own. They'll keep fighting as long as they can.
It's an interesting point. Let's break this down.

There are two threats that Iran posed/poses: Military threats and economic threats.

1. Economic threat - Iran can destabilize the global oil market through attacks on Arab oil infrastructure. That would also imply Iran's oil infra would be wiped out. However overall the world markets would go crazy. This is a legitimate threat.

2. Military threat: Direct (Iranian military) and indirect (Hez/Hamas/etc).
Direct: Iran does not pose as big a military threat through its direct anti-force capabilities as you might think. The US bases are designed to survive attacks such as Iran's. They are military bases meant for conventional military combat.

Indirect: Iran's biggest anti-force threat came from Hez and Hamas where it had invested immensely and for decades. That is why they were what they were. And when this is over, they will barely be left. That is a significant and net reduction of Iran's arsenal against Israel/West.
 
yeah, you are correct in a way.

But think in the other way, Israel is Tiny so it doesn't have too much to defend. The THAAD systems would be there to protect critical infrastructure. Even if destroyed, Israeli will rebuild them fast.

Remember how US defeated Saddam Hussein in Iraq ?. Same will happen here. Combined strength of Israel and Nato will overwhelm Iran.

Think about it. This is the last chance for US to overthrow Khamenei regime and avenge 1979 Tehran Hostage incident before Iran acquires nuclear weapons.

Even, Saudi and Turkiye will 100% support US to cut down Iran to size once and for all.

Yeah but iran is too big and has too many offensive capabilities for that to happen..

They attacked Iraq because Iraq like a lot of Arab states had very little actual offensive capabilities, thus when the coalition was building up forces in Kuwait and Saudi, the Iraqis could do next to NOTHING and even then after 15 years the Americans were worn down by conflict and insurrection


Iran is far far bigger both in landmass and population and has a wider shia arch to call upon

It doesn't have a great air force, but has multiple offense strike capabilities through its missile program and drones


As a result no enemy state or coalition can build up forces without Iran responding and striking either the forces or U.S bases and targets throughout the middle east

The world cannot afford oil disruptions, from Iran, Iraq or the straight or Hormuz being blocked



Can Israel with U.S support hit Iran, the answer is sure

But if they target iranian nuclear sites then DIMONA in Israel will burn

If they target iranian oil or gas sites, then Israeli infrastructure will be targeted too and Israel is much smaller



Israel will try for SYMBOLIC strikes, ie hit small but claim big
Hoping that Iran doesn't respond


Iran should be in full preparation mode for a massive strike on Israel and should b making missiles 24/7
 
Very interesting take. Thank you also for the breath of fresh air in this thread. If someone were to get updates on what is happening in the world, through this thread and the one sided commentary, they would think Israel is being decimated and Hamas and Hezbollah are winning the war.

@Oscar , @LeGenD would love your thoughts on the following piece as well.

I don't quite understand Iran's motivation for this war, whether ideological or whether they expected a tangible benefit out of it.

I must admit most of these thoughts have been expressed by think tanks so I won't claim all these are my own thoughts. But here I go:

The outcome, has been far from what Iran wanted. Before this started, broadly, the world considered Iran having three major weapons against Israel and the West:

1. Hamas. Irregular warfare that would deplete Israel while Hezbollah attacked head on.

2. IRGC. Iran's own security infrastructure i.e., IRGC and its network.

3. Hezbollah. Considered Iran's loaded gun against Israel. A military force capable of going toe to toe with Israel and actually winning. Nasrallah was projected by Iran everywhere. They spent 20 years building Hezbollah and Nashrallah.

As of this day,

1. Israel has wiped off the leadership of Hamas killing both military and political leaders, has already killed most of their cadres. They are razing Gaza to the ground along with tens of thousands of Palestinians.

2. a. Israel has demonstrated it has deep roots inside IRGC and they have compromised Iran at a very deep level. Killing Haniyeh in Tehran, under IRGC protection was a demonstration to the rest of the world that Iran is not as formidable as they project themselves.

2. b. Despite Israel crossing multiple 'red lines' as declared by Iran, the two attacks of Iran directly on Israel turned out to be nothing more than scratches at best. Not to imply that Iran can't fire more ballistic missiles that will actually damage Israel but more that Iran's 'red lines' are not really red lines and they are unwilling to actually fight the war themselves (and pay a real price in terms of their having massed casualties of own military). They are willing to fight Israel only up till someone else (Hamas, Hez, etc ) is doing the mass dying for them.

3. Israel has wiped off Nasrallah and the large part of their leadership. They are destroying Hezbollah cadres and military equipment. Hezbollah will be left significantly damaged or highly defanged when this is over. Moreover, their credibility in Lebanon as a guarantor of protection for Lebanon against Israel is ruined. There will be pushback in Lebanon as well.

Essentially, Iran's repertoire of weapons that it spend decades building, is collapsing. Now that the ring of fire that Iran had maintained is being taken apart to a large degree, it leaves them open for West's countermoves. We shall see what the West comes up with.
I will give you a neutral historical assessment of what actually happened.

In Late 1945, after world-war 2, UK started withdrawing from it's overseas territories and giving them independence. UK created several new countries like Pakistan for Muslims and Israel for Zionists.

The Muslim countries of that time agreed to give a barren piece of uncultivable desert land that too next to dead sea to Israel. They thought the Jews will die of hunger on a waste land and without water. Infact, Turkey was the first Muslim country to recognize Israel, followed by full recognition by Iran.

Now in 1979, Shah of Iran was overthrown and Khameni regime took over. They took entire US embassy personnel hostage forcing US in a humiliating negotiation to save it's embassy staff. From that day, Khamenei and US were enemy#1 to each other.

Mr. Khameni knew US will one day overthrow them but they were no match for US so they used Israel as a punching bag. "If you do anything to us, we destroy all Israel". Plus to get support from Arab and Muslim nations they first played the Palestine card and then the Al-Aqsa card.

This continued for several decades but then Israel became powerful and so Iranian threat now no longer effective.

This is the real un-biased facts, feel free to google and validate.
 
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I'm saying that Iran has enhanced its credibility and established deterrence to the point that adversaries realize that attacking it will come at an unacceptable cost. Not only will Iran devastate Israel, but they've said that they'll blow up US bases and Arab oil infrastructure, which will cause the world economy to collapse. I think the US sees this threat as credible, and will, therefore, avoid attacking Iran. Instead, they'll work on regime change, which is also their strategy for Russia.
Hamas and Hezbollah are on their own. They'll keep fighting as long as they can.
If Iran was that easy to attack then it would have been attacked many times since 1979. And I'd say it is much much harder to attack due to the development of missile and drone technologies. I think Iran has become the North Korea of the Middle East: I Dare you attack me. If you do then I am going to bring you down along.

Think about it. This is the last chance for US to overthrow Khamenei regime and avenge 1979 Tehran Hostage incident before Iran acquires nuclear weapons.

Nobody gives a damn about the 1979 Hostage situation even in America now. I don't even hear much from the Trumpeter about the hostage crisis anymore! Had it been the case then the US Administration wouldn't have put so much effort into JCPOA where Israel and the GCC opposed that deal, had it been the case then Obama would not have basically apologized for toppling Mossadegh, had it been the case then the Biden administration in its early days wouldn't have talked about reviving the JCPOA.
Looking at your posts: You are so out of touch with the events and I see you have been making some strange comments in this thread. It almost feels like you jumped into this thread while ignoring thousands of pages and your posts reflect a certain kind of archaic understanding.
 
If anyone here is aware of the 'Hitler Rants Parodies' channel... The channel has been dark humor but now is getting into some serious territory. The Comments are quite interesting.

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That cancer Israel.

Well Israel is here to stay, because USA supports Israel.

Just support two state solution pre-1967 borders, and call it a day.
 
I will give you a neutral historical assessment of what actually happened.

In Late 1945, after world-war 2, UK started withdrawing from it's overseas territories and giving them independence. UK created several new countries like Pakistan for Muslims and Israel for Zionists.

The Muslim countries of that time agreed to give a barren piece of uncultivable desert land that too next to dead sea to Israel. They thought the Jews will die of hunger on a waste land and without water. Infact, Turkey was the first Muslim country to recognize Israel, followed by full recognition by Iran.

Now in 1979, Shah of Iran was overthrown and Khameni regime took over. They took entire US embassy personnel hostage forcing US in a humiliating negotiation to save it's embassy staff. From that day, Khamenei and US were enemy#1 to each other.

Mr. Khameni knew US will one day overthrow them but they were no match for US so they used Israel as a punching bag. "If you do anything to us, we destroy all Israel". Plus to get support from Arab and Muslim nations they first played the Palestine card and then the Al-Aqsa card.

This continued for several decades but then Israel became powerful and so Iranian threat now no longer effective.

This is the real un-biased facts, feel free to google and validate.
Yes very very unbiased I know you can’t see me but I’m rolling my eyes 🤦‍♂️
 
Yes very very unbiased I know you can’t see me but I’m rolling my eyes 🤦‍♂️

"In Late 1945, after world-war 2, UK started withdrawing from it's overseas territories and giving them independence. UK created several new countries like Pakistan for Muslims and Israel for Zionists.
The Muslim countries of that time agreed to give a barren piece of uncultivable desert land that too next to dead sea to Israel. They thought the Jews will die of hunger on a waste land and without water. Infact, Turkey was the first Muslim country to recognize Israel, followed by full recognition by Iran."

That's what this @Masai guy said.
I am speechless!!
 
"In Late 1945, after world-war 2, UK started withdrawing from it's overseas territories and giving them independence. UK created several new countries like Pakistan for Muslims and Israel for Zionists.
The Muslim countries of that time agreed to give a barren piece of uncultivable desert land that too next to dead sea to Israel. They thought the Jews will die of hunger on a waste land and without water. Infact, Turkey was the first Muslim country to recognize Israel, followed by full recognition by Iran."

That's what this @Masai guy said.
I am speechless!!
Yes rolling my eyes moving on
 
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