PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Michael]

Data Link via AWACS, other airborne & ground assets, usually takes care of this?

We're just doing comparisons between fighters, not under combat systems. The gap still exists when everyone is using the same class of combat system.

That's why we see that countries with a larger country and some economic power usually use a combination of medium and heavy fighters. In contrast, in some countries with smaller land areas or less economic power, fighter aircraft are usually used in a combination of medium and light. This is related to the scope of military operations and the economic strength of the country.

The JF-17 Block 3 radar has a maximum detection range of 170 kilometers. The radar detection range of the Su-30MKI fighter is 135 kilometers.

The JF-17 Block 3 can carry the PL-15E. Without the support of an external combat system, the JF-17 B3 can easily defeat the Su-30MKI, which is the advantage of the technology generation gap. However, if there is no technology difference between the two, the JF-17 B3 will be at a disadvantage. The larger fuselage of the Su-30MKI can accommodate a larger radar, which can first detect and attack the JF-17 B3 at a longer distance.

 

[redgriffin]

Welcome to the club then

My whole tabbar dissuaded me

Same, though I opted to stay back in Pakistan. Wanted to work with military flying machines in either an operator or engineer capacity but more than tabbar dissuasion it was getting blood cancer in my late teens which paid put to any notion of rebellion against the tabbar's dissuasion.

 

[Yasser76]

We're just doing comparisons between fighters, not under combat systems. The gap still exists when everyone is using the same class of combat system.

That's why we see that countries with a larger country and some economic power usually use a combination of medium and heavy fighters. In contrast, in some countries with smaller land areas or less economic power, fighter aircraft are usually used in a combination of medium and light. This is related to the scope of military operations and the economic strength of the country.

The JF-17 Block 3 radar has a maximum detection range of 170 kilometers. The radar detection range of the Su-30MKI fighter is 135 kilometers.

The JF-17 Block 3 can carry the PL-15E. Without the support of an external combat system, the JF-17 B3 can easily defeat the Su-30MKI, which is the advantage of the technology generation gap. However, if there is no technology difference between the two, the JF-17 B3 will be at a disadvantage. The larger fuselage of the Su-30MKI can accommodate a larger radar, which can first detect and attack the JF-17 B3 at a longer distance.

Intresting post. Tech gap for India has to now come from Western sources as Russia has fallen behind and India's own domestic attempts will naturally take time to mature

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Ali_Baba]

We're just doing comparisons between fighters, not under combat systems. The gap still exists when everyone is using the same class of combat system.

That's why we see that countries with a larger country and some economic power usually use a combination of medium and heavy fighters. In contrast, in some countries with smaller land areas or less economic power, fighter aircraft are usually used in a combination of medium and light. This is related to the scope of military operations and the economic strength of the country.

The JF-17 Block 3 radar has a maximum detection range of 170 kilometers. The radar detection range of the Su-30MKI fighter is 135 kilometers.

The JF-17 Block 3 can carry the PL-15E. Without the support of an external combat system, the JF-17 B3 can easily defeat the Su-30MKI, which is the advantage of the technology generation gap. However, if there is no technology difference between the two, the JF-17 B3 will be at a disadvantage. The larger fuselage of the Su-30MKI can accommodate a larger radar, which can first detect and attack the JF-17 B3 at a longer distance.

Just a minor point - the PL15E on the JF17 Block 3 is not confirmed, or acknowedged by the manufacturer or PAF as of now. It is a fan-wish list, and some evidence is required for this. There is no evidence on this topic anywhere right now.

 

[Yasser76]

Just a minor point - the PL15E on the JF17 Block 3 is not confirmed, or acknowedged by the manufacturer or PAF as of now. It is a fan-wish list, and some evidence is required for this. There is no evidence on this topic anywhere right now.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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That piccie is fake - discussed many moons ago as fake.

 

[Dreamer]

No I don't think so
Share proof otherwise. Afaik, only mirages, F7, K8s and Mushaks have done landings on Motorways.

I remember seeing news about it. But it was many years back so I could be wrong. Still I think, F-7's, Mirages can do it then no reason why JF-17 cannot.

 

[Hussain]

The JF-17 Block 3 can carry the PL-15E. Without the support of an external combat system, the JF-17 B3 can easily defeat the Su-30MKI, which is the advantage of the technology generation gap. However, if there is no technology difference between the two, the JF-17 B3 will be at a disadvantage. The larger fuselage of the Su-30MKI can accommodate a larger radar, which can first detect and attack the JF-17 B3 at a longer distance.

Larger fuselage = Larger RCS? Which means, Jeff can detect it at a longer range too, thereby bringing it down to who blinks first?

@Oscar Pls correct me if I'm wrong

 

[SABRE]

Larger fuselage = Larger RCS? Which means, Jeff can detect it at a longer range too, thereby bringing it down to who blinks first?

@Oscar Pls correct me if I'm wrong

IMO, if you don't have an A2A missile with a good enough range to take advantage of the first detection then this argument is trivial.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Larger fuselage = Larger RCS? Which means, Jeff can detect it at a longer range too, thereby bringing it down to who blinks first?

@Oscar Pls correct me if I'm wrong

Radar range is shorter for all JF-17s (small radome means less T/R modules) and Chinese flanker series have big radome carrying large number T/R modules hence have a greater range to detect JF17 size targets

 

[studsmart]

We're just doing comparisons between fighters, not under combat systems. The gap still exists when everyone is using the same class of combat system.

That's why we see that countries with a larger country and some economic power usually use a combination of medium and heavy fighters. In contrast, in some countries with smaller land areas or less economic power, fighter aircraft are usually used in a combination of medium and light. This is related to the scope of military operations and the economic strength of the country.

The JF-17 Block 3 radar has a maximum detection range of 170 kilometers. The radar detection range of the Su-30MKI fighter is 135 kilometers.

The JF-17 Block 3 can carry the PL-15E. Without the support of an external combat system, the JF-17 B3 can easily defeat the Su-30MKI, which is the advantage of the technology generation gap. However, if there is no technology difference between the two, the JF-17 B3 will be at a disadvantage. The larger fuselage of the Su-30MKI can accommodate a larger radar, which can first detect and attack the JF-17 B3 at a longer distance.

then also add, if, lets say, su-30mki and JFT are in the same league technologically, even then with new ECCM and SPJ they will still not equal plus at the end who carries better AA missile. in 2019, su30mki had bigger radar but huge rcs , while f16 had smaller radar and smaller rcs at end aim120c5 did the trick, even assume su30mki can see f16 btu cannot over shoot it while f16mlu could and they did got one of the su30mki. so it is just not the big radar and bigger range that makes the difference, it is the whole package.

 

[Yommie]

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Is this the camo used on ground attack squadrons? I think I've seen A-5C with this camo.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Is this the camo used on ground attack squadrons? I think I've seen A-5C with this camo.

 

[Yommie]

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This camo is usually for ground attack.