Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasn2009]

 

[Ali_Baba]

Interesting they do not claim hits on Bavar-373 which are probably more numerous now 5 years after the system came into service.

Does this means that they only had reach of S-300 or maybe the Bavar-373 is a much better system and managed to shoot down all incoming projectiles?

The fact that the damage is minor and Iran is able to repair already suggests that no critical systems like radars were hit.

It does suggest that if you are buying new SAM systems, you want more redundancy in your radar emitters, than launchers/missiles as the radar emitters can be easily targetted. SEAD has come on along way for sure it seems.

 

[Ali_Baba]

40 total
10 will likely die, 6 dead so far
All Air Force

One day after Israeli attack

How do people know that it is airforce ? Proximity to a location does not mean people belong to that location.

 

[Yommie]

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[Kermit]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

 

[UKBengali]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

The damage in Iran was minor and that was only because the US opened up Jordanian and Iraqi airspace.

Iran is currently working on an ABM system of their own but it seems like the weak link was Russian S-300PMU-2 and old systems like Hawk. Iran is replacing all these with better domestic systems but it would still take some more years to complete the task.

Entity and US can invest as much as they want in ABM as nothing can intercept latest Iranían missiles.

 

[PakAl]

So instead of being a free and proud nation, was it better for Iran to be a slave puppet dog of US/Israel like KSA/UAE/Jordan are with no respect?

Pakistanis have been under British rule for 250 years, then the new nation Pakistan was created but unfortunately again we are under heavy western influence so we're used to the slave mentality, the mentality of being bullied, used and abused by Master west. Iran is no threat to the Usa or EU, the only reason they hate Iran is because they do not accept any independent nation, they want everyone to shine their boots, accept their cultural revolution, get rid of religion and follow the modern 21st century religion called money, power, lgbtq and the rest. For the west this is the new religion, where a man will worship himself, his desires, it's a perfect weapon against Islam and other religions such as orthodox Christianity which Russia is trying to promote.

 

[Nuffle]

Why doesn't Iran develop SLBM and a submarine fleet that can be positioned in the Red Sea or the Mediterranean?

SLBMs and a fleet of submarines that can launch them, even if they are conventional, are still the most expensive and difficult part of a nuclear triad. For Iran, which has its biggest enemies close by, the use of BMs - MRBM/IRBM/ICBM - is the most practical and easy way to implement. In addition, Iran's geography also becomes an ally factor in creating a nuclear system based on road vehicles for BM launches.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Interesting they do not claim hits on Bavar-373 which are probably more numerous now 5 years after the system came into service.

Does this means that they only had reach of S-300 or maybe the Bavar-373 is a much better system and managed to shoot down all incoming projectiles?

The fact that the damage is minor and Iran is able to repair already suggests that no critical systems like radars were hit.

Bavar-373 is not fully deployed yet, maybe one battery in Tehran at most

 

[tsunset]

People should notice how Israel frame its propaganda

They claim that "all S-300 batteries were destroyed in the country"

Why only S-300? Why not 3rd Khordad, 15th? All of them systems are dangerous and have better radars than S-300, and also mass produced (only 3rd is confirmed to be deployed on multiple sites including south Iran)

Simply because it is easier to do international propaganda using S-300, it is a big name and known by everyone compared to the others especially with the war in Ukraine, easy propaganda value with S-300 compared to others

This is the same type of propaganda that comes from Ukraine and Baku ("we destroyed all their S-400 and S-300")

Interesting they do not claim hits on Bavar-373 which are probably more numerous now 5 years after the system came into service.

Does this means that they only had reach of S-300 or maybe the Bavar-373 is a much better system and managed to shoot down all incoming projectiles?

The fact that the damage is minor and Iran is able to repair already suggests that no critical systems like radars were hit.

As i said above, S-300, S-400 is a big name when it comes to propaganda

They destroyed all S-300 but somehow not the others? For which reason?

 

[tsunset]

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I think we can wait 1-3 months before an answer, also i expect this will be lighter than TP2 and specifically made with the goal to kill a limited number of personnel

 

[Corax]

So what's the summary of the BDM from the Israeli strike? Did Iranian air defences shoot down anything from the Israeli side?

I'm seeing reports of some Israeli drones being shot down, and some of the long range stand off weapons being intercepted by Iranian IADS, any pics to confirm this?

If the Israelis stayed around 100km away from Iranian air space, did they have the weapons to reach their targets deep inside Iran from that range?

What's quite important is that it seems Israel can violate the air spaces of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq at will, without any consequences. It's also being reported that the Israelis destroyed air defence systems in Syria and Iraq? If anything, both those countries have a legitimate reason to attack Israel.

 

[PakAl]

How do we prevent Israel to carry out future operations like this and cause damage within Iran in the future?

E.g for Israel, they are investing more in AD to counter the Iranian Missile threat.

Israel has the most advanced weaponary in the world so it's very difficult for Iran to stop any attack. Israel can attack via ballistic missiles, airforce, frigates, submarines. Iran on the other hand relies mostly on proxies and ballistic missiles to target Israel. Iran must invest in UCAVs similar to Kilzemia, Anka 3, GJ11, Boeing Phantom Ray, Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B, they must be able to use airspace to attack enemies, advance submarine is another place where Iran attack via SLBM. AI technology is very important aswell, soon the west will use AI stealth drones to attack enemies but the Muslim world will fall behind, only Turkey is working hard on this.

 

[Nuffle]

Iran does need to rethink its precision attack capabilities for sure. Look how Israel hit specific buildings, whereas Iran struggled to target specific targets, but "areas" where targets are located, in the 'hope' that they hit it. I do think that they have that realisation now though. Lessons learnt, and improvement plans will be put in place for sure.

Israel also made an effort to hit specific targets, despite its precision, it is impossible not to say that Israel did not make an effort to carry out the attack. The tyranny of distance is the basis for such reasoning.

Even if Israel uses aerial refueling, the war load carried by the fighters would be limited to no more than about 2 tons of bombs. It is not much, but it is already the load of about 2 or 3 MRBM missiles. With the advantage that a fighter can be used about 1,000 times while the missile is discarded with each use, despite weighing as much as a loaded fighter.

I believe that the Iranians can refine their BM precision, but to try to emulate an air attack capacity equal to Israel, Iran will have to build another Air Force. Iran should think more about how to increase its country's air defenses, at the same time that it tries to build an air force for air defense, with great interception and DCA capabilities.

 

[Flotilla]

China is not really a good ally interms of coming to your aid when you need it, as does Russia so far. Look how quickly Russia delivered new systems to Iran in this recent flairup. China will never do that. China only wants money from you - and that in dollars!!

China serves who pays them more. Israel bought their Silk Road initiative and because of that China would only give moral support to Iran or Palestine in TV and shows.