Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mehdipersian]

its not easy,

ok if they land then what they will be out of service for 36-48hrs.

It requires extensive training to land on Roads and i have not seen/heard Exercise regards to that.

Dispersed operations never tested or done by IDF/AF

Cyprus is a viable option. That's why Hezbollah threatened Cyprus out of the blue.

There are many American air bases in the region. Jordan is also completely under the control of the Jews. Even Egypt or Saudi Arabia may cooperate with Israel.

 

[Farhas2000]

Iran used HAMAS as a proxy to attack on Israel
and 7 october Hamas attack was a silly and unnecessary move

RESULT : GAZA was destroyed , over 45.000 Palestians were killed also LEBANON under heavy attack

Sure, Hamas was armed by Iran, but it wasn't its dog.

I think Hamas acted on their own, makes no sense for them not to coordinate with Hezbollah if they were controlled by Iran.

Given how compromised Hezbollah was, if Hamas told Hezbollah anything, Israel would have known about it.

 

[tsunset]

This is compiled from various sources in Wikipedia:

October 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia blacklisted all Iranian source and if they are used, they will write "unreliable" near it and deem it as fake or propaganda

This article relies exclusively on Israeli sponsored outlets such as the WSJ, Axios, Times of Israel, newsweek/other trash and even the most hardcore zionist think tanks such as The Washington Institute

This is like using PressTV and Al Mayadeen as main sources for Israeli affairs, or Sputnik/RT for Ukrainian affairs

They claim that Iran lost all its AD and that IDF did "massive damage" and "crippled" BM production which is very primitive in terms of propaganda

I suggest everyone to read this interesting post in the talk section:

Talk:October 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran - Wikipedia

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In the October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel, the article writes (definitely not in the lead) about the israeli military censorship following the attack:

In some cases, the IDF censor barred Israeli media from publishing the exact locations of missile impacts and the extent of the damage.

while in this article, the article is writing (within the lead) about the Iranian military censorship:

Iran quickly aimed to downplay the attacks, providing minimal coverage and threatened to hand out prison sentences to civilians who shared evidence of the strikes to "hostile" media. This was possibly done to "save face" and prevent further escalation.

 

[Farhas2000]

its not easy,

ok if they land then what they will be out of service for 36-48hrs.

It requires extensive training to land on Roads and i have not seen/heard Exercise regards to that.

Dispersed operations never tested or done by IDF/AF

Israeli pilots did not train to land with only one wing, yet they did.

I'm sure they can land on roads.

 

[TallGuy]

Israeli pilots did not train to land with only one wing, yet they did.

I'm sure they can land on roads.

You do not understand, land is easy part. how are they going to get operational afterwards.

Fuel and dispersed operations require lot of training.

 

[Farhas2000]

You do not understand, land is easy part. how are they going to get operational afterwards.

Fuel and dispersed operations require lot of training.

Well it sure is easier than the alternative, if their base is disabled/destroyed

 

[TallGuy]

This, friend, it is core in the Israel-Iran engagement.
Iran must dig in that rift and extend it until the falling of the Netanyahu/Gvir/Smotricht self destructive cabinet. Any future other radical government will expand the grievances between any possible democrat government or at least in the UN if Harris is not elected.

But Iran is not prepared to engage vis a vis militarily with a Israel supported by USAF/US Navy and some Europeans air forces (it is discarded spanish one and probably italian or greek ones) german and united kingdom being not european would follow. Any further scalation in TP III would let the door open to a possible coalition Led by US.

The conflict must be protracted and the priorities should be;

1º.- Help HZ and houthies to win the war.
2º.- Rebuild the IRIAF as you suggested many times.
3º.- Reinforce the IADS with dozens of Bavar 373 battalions enough to cover nearly all Iran airspace.
4º.- Develop military nuclear capability.

But answering directly and in a higher scale to Netanyahu would be a mistake. Iran could answer in Lebanon transferring new weapons and training personnel for the volunteers (I am pretty sure there are converging hundreds of volunteers among the entire Middle East and beyond) and reinforcing anti aerial capabilities of Houthies. There was announced some months ago a new antiship missile by IRGCN probably stealth or supersonic. Those can be transfered to Houthies for example.

@Flotilla @Emirzad

I hoped that IRIAF F14s should have committed in Iraq airspace even if as last hurrah!

does not matter if they were shot down but message would have been given,

Really issue i see is Iraqi airspace, find ways to use it as buffer and you complicate the matters for IDF/AF long before there launch points in future conflict

Start BARCAPs over Iraqi airspace since they could not stop IDF/AF or US why would they have issue with IRIAF. Now we know the rough launch points make those area contested.

 

[LongLiveIran]

ok

what is the law in regards to that - lets IDF/AF fighters land in Cyprus? then what if there is no chance of sappers squads already placed and attacks Cyprus (AFB - I think its British)

The law as usual is the Law of Jungle. If you can hit there and get away with it, do it. Maybe that's one of the reasons that Khamenei recently talked about increasing the range limit of our missiles. If we hit Cyprus, European public won't take that very well.

There are many American air bases in the region. Jordan is also completely under the control of the Jews. Even Egypt or Saudi Arabia may cooperate with Israel.

Yes, but the cost of hitting Cyprus is more. I'm talking about both financial cost and political cost.

 

[UKBengali]

Yes, don't you think 2-3 years is fast compared to 2-3 decades? There are still cities in the Khuzestan province in Iran that are suffering from the damage caused by the Iraq-Iran war.

I don't think settlers in Israel are there because they love Israel or believe in the promised land. That's just the facade. Israel is a colonial state where your average David or Jacob from Brooklyn or Manhattan goes there because they will give him a free house with a high paying job. Once the ping-pong is over, your average Western asshole will return to Palestine again to steal their wealth with no consequences, particularly now that the West is going down the toilet economically. We know that Jews love money, don't we? (Who doesn't?)

Iran needs nuclear deterrence and when nuclear deterrence is talked about, we are not talking about one or two gun-type bombs here and there. We need a total destruction power that exceeds 1 megaton. Now that could be 10 warheads each 100 kilotons or 50 warheads each 20 kilotons. We need a reliable nuclear strategy if we want to fight with the West. Because like it or not, once the Zionist entity gets beaten badly, they will get involved.

Few people know this, but the USN got directly involved in favor of Saddam when the Iranian navy destroyed the Iraqi Navy and was imposing a blockade on Iraqi oil exports. Has the US attitude changed since then?

Iran should take Russia/China into confidence and then become a nuclear power.

I don't think either would mind Iran as a nuclear state and even encourage it as it takes the heat off them. Don't think that even Trump can offer anything to Putin as the west has alienated itself from Russia for generations now.

It should only make unnannounced nuclear tests once it has the delivery mechanisms with warheads and missiles ready.

WW3 may be coming within next 5-10 years as the Zio-US and west cannot accept the loss of their dominance and lording it over the rest of humanity.

 

[tsunset]

Iran should completely level Israeli medias and outlets offices, as a legitimate response to the targeting of Iranian journalists and Al Mayadeen offices in Lebanon

Again i do not understand why Iran is refraining from destroying civilian (and military) infrastructure when Israel kills Iranians including civilians, why Iran aims for plain land/runways when hundreds, even thousands of good targets are available to aim at to cause real damage and casualties. I am nearly sure that Iran did this on purpose to not do damage and landed nearly all of them on plain ground purposefully

All of this can be easily rug pulled by saying that Israel did the same, so we did the same, or claim that a missile was dysfunctional and landed on them by mistake, this can also be used to target public bunkers "by mistake"

Casualties and deaths is the biggest nightmare of Israel, and Iran doesn't seem to want to target this sensibility they have

And i hope to see 1.5t K-4 and Sejjil in action in TP-III, i hope they will put aside the KS missiles and use the biggest warheads available

 

[jauk]

Actually, Entity Super weapon is IDF/AF (men and machine)

They have 7 Full fledge AFB with 3x3 Runway-Taxiways and around 5 x Airports and satellite strips

The entity is small.

A concentrated BM strike 12 x Airports/AFBs with goal to disable the Runways and Taxiways for at least 10hrs.

As they are forced to land other countries which effectively takes out equipment and men out of service for critical 24-48Hrs.

what are the laws? lets say a fighter plane land in Jordan. what is the law? is there a possibility that aircraft will be impounded? or it will take more time?

Law's irrelevant.

 

[Awwad]

USA-İsrael killed all the leaders who attacked Israel and Israeli People

SULEIMANI , REISI , NASRALLAH , HANIYE and SINVAR

GAZZA was destroyed , LEBANON under heavy attack and the next target is SYRIA

Israeli Air Force attacked Iranian targets
Iran should say thanks to USA who is blocking Israel to attack on Iranian Nuclear and oil-gas facilities ... and Iran can not stop the Israeli Air Force


You still boast about launching a few missiles under this heavy defeat

You got a point. But everybody knows Israel is not alone. It has United States standing besides it, which country can fight US ? except maybe China who will never intervene in other's conflicts.

Secondly, don't you feel anything or any responsibility that 40,000 children are murdered under your nose? You are so close to Gaza. Iran is far away. Children have no fault. These are war crimes being done. Its genocide being carried out. The largest responsibility comes to neighboring states with some military capacity. I will always put the blame on mass murder of Palestinians on two countries (1- Egypt and 2-Turkey). It was their responsibility to play a part in it. You could have stopped the genocide when 5000 were killed, when 10,000 were killed. But you are letting it go on and on. You have no right to point fingers at far off country.

Lastly, Gaza is surrounded by Israel. Even waters are controlled by Israeli navy. Only one border has Egypt rest are Israel. Egypt will never allow Iran to smuggle weapons inside it. So this idea that Iran supply weapons to Hamas is ridiculous. Hamas struggle is its own. It do not take orders of Iran. The attack of 7th oct was Hamas decision only. Yes i also consider 7th oct attack as a mistake but that mistake should not give licence to Israel for carrying out genocide. The neighboring countries like Egypt / Turkey should have had enough guts to stop this madness. It seems you guys are only paper tigers.

 

[jauk]

This, friend, it is core in the Israel-Iran engagement.
Iran must dig in that rift and extend it until the falling of the Netanyahu/Gvir/Smotricht self destructive cabinet. Any future other radical government will expand the grievances between any possible democrat government or at least in the UN if Harris is not elected.

But Iran is not prepared to engage vis a vis militarily with a Israel supported by USAF/US Navy and some Europeans air forces (it is discarded spanish one and probably italian or greek ones) german and united kingdom being not european would follow. Any further scalation in TP III would let the door open to a possible coalition Led by US.

The conflict must be protracted and the priorities should be;

1º.- Help HZ and houthies to win the war.
2º.- Rebuild the IRIAF as you suggested many times.
3º.- Reinforce the IADS with dozens of Bavar 373 battalions enough to cover nearly all Iran airspace.
4º.- Develop military nuclear capability.

But answering directly and in a higher scale to Netanyahu would be a mistake. Iran could answer in Lebanon transferring new weapons and training personnel for the volunteers (I am pretty sure there are converging hundreds of volunteers among the entire Middle East and beyond) and reinforcing anti aerial capabilities of Houthies. There was announced some months ago a new antiship missile by IRGCN probably stealth or supersonic. Those can be transfered to Houthies for example.

Your analysis is correct. The game is attrition which Iran has been doing all along. However, Iran has been forced to respond directly on occasion which goes against this attrition strategy which is what Zionia is desperately attempting to d. The popular calls for retaliation has been too much forcing Iran's hands. Iran will continue to support and arm The Resistance.

An item I disagree with is you pointing out he current leaders of Zionia.It's not relevant. Zionia. has to go inits entirety.

I also disagree with 'rebuilding the IRIAF'. That's a red herring.

 

[tsunset]

There is no point arguing with muslim supporters of Israel, they do not care, they will blow Israel until the last drop of semen available and protect them at all costs, even if it means losing, Israel first, themselves after

Israel supporters do not respect themselves, how are they supposed to respect others when they do not care of themselves?

 

[UKBengali]

Your analysis is correct. The game is attrition which Iran has been doing all along. However, Iran has been forced to respond directly on occasion which goes against this attrition strategy which is what Zionia is desperately attempting to d. The popular calls for retaliation has been too much forcing Iran's hands. Iran will continue to support and arm The Resistance.

An item I disagree with is you pointing out he current leaders of Zionia.It's not relevant. Zionia. has to go inits entirety.

I also disagree with 'rebuilding the IRIAF'. That's a red herring.

This is the usual "good" Zio and "bad" Zio that is meant to fool the gullible.

All the Zionist settler leadership pretty much believes in taking the whole of Palestine and in ethnic cleansing/genocide to achieve that.

They only disagree on the exact tactics to do this - for example some want a ceasefire to get their prisoners back first, and will then in the future just restart the genocide/ethnic cleansing under some pretext.