Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[EyelessInGaza]

They had planned for this confrontation since October 7th. Iran has no choice but to respond to the Israeli aggression. There was no degree of freedom to begin with. Things are moving forward in a predictable way, possibly as planned, for a larger confrontation between Iran and Israel, and maybe the US.

I always say that there is a possibility that some Ikhwan al-Muslimin factions inside Hamas orchestrated October 7th with Turkey and Qatar to drag Iran into the war. Iran and our allies were completely unaware of Hamas plans for attacking Israel.

This is truly disturbing, if true. It’s like a disaster unfolding in slow motion. But no one can or will stop it.

From whatever I can see as an outsider, Iran isn’t a pushover. And isn’t willing to give way either.

Unless one or both parties blink, this could become so catastrophic that events up till now could feel like a cakewalk.

 

[LongLiveIran]

This is truly disturbing, if true. It’s like a disaster unfolding in slow motion. But no one can or will stop it.

From whatever I can see as an outsider, Iran isn’t a pushover. And isn’t willing to give way either.

Unless one or both parties blink, this could become so catastrophic that events up till now could feel like a cakewalk.

It is indeed a disaster unfolding in slow motion.
I remember before any of these attacks start, some US think-tank said that Israel and Iran would face each other soon and it will end in nuclear war in 2025.

I mean think about it: the escalation ladder will eventually lead to the destruction of some Iranian infrastructure to which Iran has no choice but to respond by destroying Israel's vital infrastructure. But Israel is tiny and that means an existential threat to their state. Now, will Israel use nukes if its very existence is threatened? I think so.

Look at what Europe is doing: Europe has already banned major Iranian airlines from flying over Europe due to a claim that they have absolutely no evidence to support it (Iran selling ballistic missiles to Russia). One month after they have sanctioned Iranian airlines, there is still no evidence of Russia using Iranian ballistic missiles, or even possessing them.
Add to that the recent claim by Zelensky that Iran is considering to send Iranian soldiers to the war in Ukraine. Again, a claim with zero evidence. Polish MP (right-wing MP who is known for his dislike of Jews) in the EU talked about the possibility of a false flag operation in Europe blamed on Iran to drag Europe into a war with Iran.
Add to that the recent move by Germany over a dual-citizen terrorist who was responsible for several bombing operations inside Iran.
Add to that the EU recent statement on Iranian islands in the Persian Gulf, calling Iranian an occupier of those islands.

Meanwhile, the representative of the Supreme Leader in Iran openly said that Europe is no longer considering our security red lines and we should no longer consider their security red lines. If you think about all of these signs, something bigger than what we know now is on the verge of unfolding and it has the potential of being uglier than we think now.

 

[jauk]

It is indeed a disaster unfolding in slow motion.
I remember before any of these attacks start, some US think-tank said that Israel and Iran would face each other soon and it will end in nuclear war in 2025.

I mean think about it: the escalation ladder will eventually lead to the destruction of some Iranian infrastructure to which Iran has no choice but to respond by destroying Israel's vital infrastructure. But Israel is tiny and that means an existential threat to their state. Now, will Israel use nukes if its very existence is threatened? I think so.

Look at what Europe is doing. Europe has already banned major Iranian airlines from flying over Europe due to a claim that they have absolutely no evidence to support it (Iran selling ballistic missiles to Russia). One month after they have sanctioned Iranian airlines, there is still no evidence of Russia using Iranian ballistic missiles, or even possessing them.
Add to that the recent claim by Zelensky that Iran is considering to send Iranian soldiers to the war in Ukraine. Again, a claim with zero evidence. Polish MP (right-wing MP who is known for his dislike of Jews) in the EU talked about the possibility of a false flag operation in Europe blamed on Iran to drag Europe into a war with Iran.
Add to that the recent move by Germany over a dual-citizen terrorist who was responsible for several bombing operations inside Iran.

Meanwhile, the representative of the Supreme Leader in Iran openly said that Europe is no longer considering our security red lines and we should no longer consider their security red lines. If you think about all of these signs, something bigger than what we know now is on the verge of unfolding and it has the potential of being uglier than we think now.

It's war. Nothing new here. Yes there will be much lost. There will be far more lost if all one thinks about is pending 'disaster'.

 

[UKBengali]

I mean think about it: the escalation ladder will eventually lead to the destruction of some Iranian infrastructure to which Iran has no choice but to respond by destroying Israel's vital infrastructure. But Israel is tiny and that means an existential threat to their state. Now, will Israel use nukes if its very existence is threatened? I think so.

I don't think the settlers will commit suicide if Iran slaps them down a peg or two.

Netanyahu was shaking like a leaf after Operation True Promise 2.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So I’ve noticed that it’s all over the press - reports that Iran is planning to launch a massive attack.

That Khamenei himself had ordered it.

Everyone is talking about it. But if you dig deeper, there’s no confirmation at all. The single source is an NYT report that itself is based on unnamed sources.

As someone with insight into how media works, I can’t help but ask. Has Khamenei actually spoken of this massive retaliation, on record? If not, why these speculative reports, and why now? Why are they beating the drums for war?

To me it looks like an attempt to paint Iran into a corner. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

yes he has

he said we must respond and the relevant military officials must decide how to respond

 

[Tamerlane]

If I was a filthy Zionist (nauzubillah) of the Jewish or Christian variety I would be thinking that I’ve almost managed to subjugate 2 billion Muslims. The only obstacle is Iran and the resistance. Once they’re gone 2 billion Muslims will be permanently enslaved and their wealth will belong to the Jews.

So, Zionists will be interested in getting rid of Iran by hook or by crook. This ain’t over until it’s over.

 

[LongLiveIran]

I don't think the settlers will commit suicide if Iran slaps them down a peg or two.

Netanyahu was shaking like a leaf after Operation True Promise 2.

Yes, his hands were shaking after TP II but that didn't prevent Israel from launching their attack on Iran, did it?

You may disagree with me, but the eventual, inevitable step of this escalation ladder, if it's not stopped, is to hit vital infrastructure of each other and when we get there, Israel will be destroyed due to her size. It is an existential threat to them. Will they use their nukes then?
We know that they're genocidal and the US has given them a free pass to commit genocide. Not only that, the entire media of the Western world try to paint them as poor Jewish people fighting for survival among rogue Muslim states that want to destroy and devour them. So, I'd say that Israel is very likely to use at least tactical nukes in that scenario.

 

[UKBengali]

Yes, his hands were shaking after TP II but that didn't prevent Israel from launching their attack on Iran, did it?

You may disagree with me, but the eventual, inevitable step of this escalation ladder, if it's not stopped, is to hit vital infrastructure of each other and when we get there, Israel will be destroyed due to her size. It is an existential threat to them. Will they use their nukes then?
We know that they're genocidal and the US has given them a free pass to commit genocide. Not only that, the entire media of the Western world try to paint them as poor Jewish people fighting for survival among rogue Muslim states that want to destroy and devour them. So, I'd say that Israel is very likely to use at least tactical nukes in that scenario.

They launced an attack as they were allowed to do it due to US providing air corridor and know that Iran is rational and restrained.

They are genocidal against people that cannot fight back but when their own lives are on the line, probably not.

Just look at the crying and wailing over the spanking they are getting from Hezbollah. These cowards cannot even fight like men as they like to kill by pressing buttons on planes.

 

[LongLiveIran]

They launced an attack as they were allowed to do it due to US providing air corridor and know that Iran is rational and restrained.

They are genocidal against people that cannot fight back but when their own lives are on the line, probably not.

Just look at the crying and wailing over the spanking they are getting from Hezbollah. These cowards cannot even fight like men as they like to kill by pressing buttons on planes.

And you think the US will somehow magically stop supporting them if Iran effectively wipes them off the map by hitting their vital infrastructure?

We (Iran) cannot fight back against the US. Yes, we can hit US military bases, destroy their aircraft carriers, etc. But at the end of the day, Iran has no effective way of hurting the US mainland while the US can and will do that.
The US nuclear arsenal has a destructive power of several giga tones. Even if we assume Iran has nukes, or will develop them immediately, our destructive power will hardly reach even one mega tone.

 

[UKBengali]

And you think the US will somehow magically stop supporting them if Iran effectively wipes them off the map by hitting their vital infrastructure?

Iran is rational and won't destroy "too much" but will extract a cost from them that will make them back down in the end.

You forget that while Iran is peaceful there is only death and air raid sirens for them. There is only so much they can take without picking another fight out of choice.

Either Iran fights back or is cowed - it looks like Iran won't let the pipsqueak bully them like other countries in the region.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Iran is rational and won't destroy "too much" but will extract a cost from them that will make them back down in the end.

You forget that while Iran is peaceful there is only death and air raid sirens for them. There is only so much they can take without picking another fight out of choice.

Either Iran fights back or is cowed - it looks like Iran won't let the pipsqueak bully them like other countries in the region.

You are assuming that the escalation ladder will stop somewhere in favor of Iran. Amen to that. That's what I want too but you have to admit that it's highly unlikely.

So far, Israel has the upper hand in the escalation ladder. They have attacked Iran 3 times while Iran has attacked Israel 2 times. They have killed 5 Iranians while Iran has killed zero Israelis directly. I don't even talk about their successful hits because I'm sure Iran has had multiple successful hits on Nevatim and Tel Nof but we don't have access to satellite photos to fully see the scale of our success.

Nevertheless, I strongly believe that Israel will not stop escalating because their whole idea of supremacy in the region is based on them being in control of escalation and they won't give up on this easily. Without the threat of disproportionate response and escalation, Israel cannot survive in the Middle East in long run.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

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yes he has

he said we must respond and the relevant military officials must decide how to respond

I know he said that. But as far as I remember his words - which I would take as official voice of Iran - were far more balanced, than what the newspapers claim that these military officials are now saying.

Anyway, enough of this, we shall all see in due course.

 

[Mehdipersian]

And you think the US will somehow magically stop supporting them if Iran effectively wipes them off the map by hitting their vital infrastructure?

We (Iran) cannot fight back against the US. Yes, we can hit US military bases, destroy their aircraft carriers, etc. But at the end of the day, Iran has no effective way of hurting the US mainland while the US can and will do that.
The US nuclear arsenal has a destructive power of several giga tones. Even if we assume Iran has nukes, or will develop them immediately, our destructive power will hardly reach even one mega tone.

It is not a difficult task for Iran to build nuclear bombs and intercontinental missiles

 

[LongLiveIran]

It is not a difficult task for Iran to build nuclear bombs and intercontinental missiles

It's not a binary thing, my friend. It's not about "I have nukes" and "I don't have nukes".
It's about nuclear triad. It's about destructive power. It's a game of numbers. It takes decades and tremendous money and resources for a country to become a nuclear power. Even India and Pakistan are not nuclear powers in my opinion.

The world has only 2 nuclear super powers: Russia and the US. China is catching up as well. Then you have the UK and France and that's pretty much it.

 

[Mehdipersian]

It's not a binary thing, my friend. It's not about "I have nukes" and "I don't have nukes".
It's about nuclear triad. It's about destructive power. It's a game of numbers. It takes decades and tremendous money and resources for a country to become a nuclear power. Even India and Pakistan are not nuclear powers in my opinion.

The world has only 2 nuclear super powers: Russia and the US. China is catching up as well. Then you have the UK and France and that's pretty much it.

Having a few dozen atomic bombs is enough for Iran. We don't need to build thousands of bombs to hit America. Our intention is not to kill, but to defend.