Protesters Regret 'From the River to the Sea' Chant Upon Learning Meaning

[vsdoc]

Suffer a genocide = win a state? Does this only work for Jews?

No it should work for Parsis as well.

Our ancestral land. You know, the one you are living on.

Cheers, Doc

 

[vsdoc]

Sorry, @Persian Gulf

Just saw your flags.

The one you come from.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Musings]

The way I see it, there is no way the Jews could and would have lived in Europe after the world war.

A Jewish state had to be given to them for the genocide they suffered.

As reparations by the victors.

And Judaism is the original ancestral faith of the land. There is no way around that fact and the wars that were fought since then over thousands of years.

India has been historically kind to the Palestinian cause. I know a lady who was once married to a Palestinian diplomat posted here.

Cheers, Doc

Bro

You are a rational guy. Who made the British god and allow them to decide who gets what in the middle east?
The genocide they suffered was from Europeans and they decide to transport them and plonk them in the middle of the middle east and be surrounded by Muslims> In hindsight was this a beautiful idea?
I have no qualms with a 2 state solution but you dont get it - Zionists dont want and cant accept this hence where we are here today.

The Balfour declaration - instigated and sponsored by Chaim Weissmann and Nahum Sakolow (well known British names......) didnt liason or consult those people of the soil. Dont you think they should have had a say in their land being divided?
Imagine some twits turning up - ethnic cleansing territories - documented rape of civilians and subsequently we are where we are today?

 

[vsdoc]

Bro

You are a rational guy. Who made the British god and allow them to decide who gets what in the middle east?
The genocide they suffered was from Europeans and they decide to transport them and plonk them in the middle of the middle east and be surrounded by Muslims> In hindsight was this a beautiful idea?
I have no qualms with a 2 state solution but you dont get it - Zionists dont want and cant accept this hence where we are here today.

The Balfour declaration - instigated and sponsored by Chaim Weissmann and Nahum Sakolow (well known British names......) didnt liason or consult those people of the soil. Dont you think they should have had a say in their land being divided?
Imagine some twits turning up - ethnic cleansing territories - documented rape of civilians and subsequently we are where we are today?

I understand all of that. And you understand that all of us have our own personal historical biases.

The Ashkenazi Jews are foreign to that land. The Palestinians are not.

But the faith of the Palestinians is foreign to that land. The faith of the Ashkenazis is not.

Blood

Faith

Soil

Ancient Abrahamic Hebrew thought borrowed greatly from and was impacted greatly by Aryan Zoroastrian beliefs.

I do not get into these debates coz I know it will go nowhere nice on a board with majority Muslims.

I have also said that the bloodshed needs to stop. It is despicable what was done to civilians on both sides.

Out of respect and love for you I shall make this my last post here. Regardless of whether Persian retorts or not.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Developereo]

And Judaism is the original ancestral faith of the land. There is no way around that fact and the wars that were fought since then over thousands of years.

Faith is an acquired attribute; if some Eskimo converts to Judaism, it does not give them the right to claim ownership of this land.

If you meant to say Jewish genetic heritage then, for one thing, Egyptian Hebrews invaded Canaan and massacred the Canaanites. DNA studies show that modern Lebanese have the highest percent of Canaanite DNA so, by your logic, Israel should be part of Lebanon.

So, genetically, the region was occupied by Canaanites who were evicted by Hebrews who were evicted by Romans who were evicted by Arabs who have Canaanite DNA so we come full circle.

What gives Jews exclusive rights to the land in this chain of events?

 

[Musings]

I have also said that the bloodshed needs to stop. It is despicable what was done to civilians on both sides.

Out of respect and love for you I shall make this my last post here. Regardless of whether Persian retorts or not.

Cheers, Doc

Bro

Out of respect - keep posting away your opinions and what goes on in that brain matter. I love varied opinion - its good to share. We may not agree on the subject but we clearly have respect and love for each other.
Anyway you get carried away - i could always ban you!! JOKING.....

 

[Antonius123]

Faith is an acquired attribute; if some Eskimo converts to Judaism, it does not give them the right to claim ownership of this land.

Of course they dont. They must buy property to have right for a property there.

But they can be Israel citizen without having a property.

If you meant to say Jewish genetic heritage then, for one thing, Egyptian Hebrews invaded Canaan and massacred the Canaanites. DNA studies show that modern Lebanese have the highest percent of Canaanite DNA so, by your logic, Israel should be part of Lebanon.

So, genetically, the region was occupied by Canaanites who were evicted by Hebrews who were evicted by Romans who were evicted by Arabs who have Canaanite DNA so we come full circle.

What gives Jews exclusive rights to the land in this chain of events?

Concept of a nation is not simply determined by genetic alone. It is multifaceted and involves a combination of factors, including cultural, linguistic, historical, and often, shared experiences. Nations are complex entities that can encompass diverse ethnic, religious, and linguistic groups.

Lebanon is a diverse country with various religious and ethnic communities, including Maronite Christians, Sunni and Shia Muslims, Druze, and others. The historical and cultural complexities in Lebanon have indeed led to a diverse national identity. In other words: Lebanon is not Canaanite.

On the other hand, the concept of Jewish identity is often multifaceted, encompassing both religious and cultural dimensions. Ashkenazi Jews, for example, share a common cultural and religious heritage, even if they may have diverse genetic backgrounds.

Beside that, jews was representing 33% of the population for part of the land in 1947.
The UN charter guarantees the aspiration of people of a stateless territory to establish a nation and state over the territory.

 

[Peregrine]

It is peculiar to draw up Nazi atrocities on Jews in the current conflict.

What is the relevance?

Palestinians are not Germans, neither geographically nor ethnically.

It is not Palestinians who are occupying Jewish territory and force evicting jews.
On the contrary.

Anti-semitism and zionism OTOH has remarkable similarities. Bundle up jews under a single banner. Make a plan for Europe to remove jews. desguised under a subtle term «Aliya» which essentially is a coordinated ideology for «repatriation» of European jews to a foreign land.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

“An anti-Semite used to be a person who disliked Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike.”
– Hajo Meyer, Jewish German-born Dutch physicist and Auschwitz survivor.

Very good redefinition!!

 

[p200]

From the River to the Sea Palestine Will be Free!

Hmm... nope, not regretting it. I will go say it some more just for you at the next protest.

 

[Antonius123]

From the River to the Sea Palestine Will be Free!

Hmm... nope, not regretting it. I will go say it some more just for you at the next protest.

Then you deserve rejection from Israel, because Israel has right to exist and world recognize it. You will loose support from majority of the world when they know your true intention.

 

[p200]

Then you deserve rejection from Israel, because Israel has right to exist and world recognize it. You will loose support from majority of the world when they know your true intention.

I dont care for nor want anything from the terrorist state of Israel.

The majority of the world votes against Israel. This is fact but cry if you want.

My true intention is to stop genocide and let Palestinians be treated equally in their own state or for one state solution that treats everyone equally.

Your propaganda is low tier. But in your defense it isn't possible to make good propaganda when your source material (Israel) is pathetic.

 

[RescueRanger]

I have no sympathy (zero) for any hypocrites here who cannot articulate basic human sympathy for the people of Gaza but elect to pontificate and spray their verbal manure here.

 

[Developereo]

But they can be Israel citizen without having a property.

The whole issue is here legitimacy of the State of Israel in the first place. It was established (by the European colonialists) by force, it has existed by force and it continues to expand by force.

If the Arabs had the money and weapons, they could declare Israel illegal and get the UN to rubber stamp the deed.

Concept of a nation is not simply determined by genetic alone. It is multifaceted and involves a combination of factors, including cultural, linguistic, historical, and often, shared experiences. Nations are complex entities that can encompass diverse ethnic, religious, and linguistic groups.

Lebanon is a diverse country with various religious and ethnic communities, including Maronite Christians, Sunni and Shia Muslims, Druze, and others. The historical and cultural complexities in Lebanon have indeed led to a diverse national identity. In other words: Lebanon is not Canaanite.

On the other hand, the concept of Jewish identity is often multifaceted, encompassing both religious and cultural dimensions. Ashkenazi Jews, for example, share a common cultural and religious heritage, even if they may have diverse genetic backgrounds.

The Israeli claim to legitimacy is based on the fact that they are descended from the ancient Hebrews. I showed that the Hebrews were only one of a series of ancient conquerers and, if we use genetics, modern Lebanese have a greater DNA connection to the Canaanites. This demolishes the Jewish claim to exclusivity even if we accept that ancient genetics grants land ownership by default.

Beside that, jews was representing 33% of the population for part of the land in 1947.
The UN charter guarantees the aspiration of people of a stateless territory to establish a nation and state over the territory.

Why pick 1947? This is the % of Jews in Palestine according to the Jewish Virtual Library

Era	Year	Jews (core population)​	Non-Jews​	Total Population​	% Jewish​
Ottoman Empire	1517	5,000​	295,000​	~300,000​	1.7%​
1533-39	5,000	151,000	157,000	3.2%
1882	24,000​	276,000​	300,000​	8.0%​
World War I	1914	94,000	595,000	689,000	13.6%
1918	60,000​	600,000​	660,000​	8.1%​
British Mandate	1922	83,794	673,388	757,182	11%
1931	174,610​	861,211​	1,035,821​	16.9%​
1936	384,078​	982,614​	1,366,692​	28.1%​
1939	449,000
1946	543,000​	1,267,037​	1,810,037​	30.0%​
1947	630,000	1,324,000	1,970,000	32.0%
State of Israel	1948	716,700​	156,000^​	872,700​	82.1%​

At the time of the Balfour Declaration, when colonialist Britain unilaterally decided to gift the land to Jews, it was 8%.

 

[Developereo]

Very good redefinition!!

It is a sad observation by many, including Holocaust survivors, how the ZIonists have squandered and abused the memory of the Holocaust for their nefarious agenda.