PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I remember how in PDF 1.0 people would laugh at the thought of a kill switch, then a couple of years back, during a visit to Risalpur, an officer mentioned the same thing @Hakikat ve Hikmet mentioned, and you said so many times.

I kept looking at my cell, and wishing I had your number

Hi,


You should have asked that officer---" sir---are you quoting MK---".

Thank you. I knew it because I had an electronic auto engine kill switch in pakistan in 1974.

It is called a cylinder balance tester. You clip positive to positice---negative to ground and then a clip went to coil wire that went into the distributor cap( now we don't have distributors on cars ).

It had the option to kill 1 cylinder or--- even or odd cylinders at the twist of a knob---the drop in RPM would tell the performance of the each cylinder---.

That was 50's technology. Now we are in the realm of digital technology---.

Being in the digital age---a million and one glitches may be activated considering different situations---.

I could not comprehend at that time how educated young pakistani men could not understand the concept of a "kill switch"---.

 

[Hussain]

Now being in the digital age---a million and one glitches may be activated considering different situations---.

Golden words!

 

[Haji Thanos]

could be for pfx

The first thing I can say for sure is that there is certainly no problem with the production supply of the WS21. However, Pakistan has purchased only one. This can be a lot of speculation.

Conjecture one:
Explore the possibility of using WS21 for JF17.
But, Pakistan does not have the capability to do so. Such work should be done at CAC. And, it is not possible to use only one engine for such exploratory work. So, we can rule out this conjecture.

Speculation two:
Training of WS21 maintenance team.
This is a very likely use. We know that the export version of J35 is using WS21 engine.PAF has openly expressed its intention to buy J31/J35. So it is possible to buy a WS21 in advance to train a team of engine maintenance engineers. This is also a side confirmation that PAF will get J35(WS21).

The above is my personal speculation, please analyze with caution.

 

[Zarvan]

In my personal and most likely very unpopular opinion…
I don’t think PAF should buy J35(previously called J31) unless it comes at the same price per unit as the J10…which is unlikely.

Personally I have wanted PAF to acquire twin engine jets for a very long time…so it can have the ability to strike deep(if needed)…but if wishes were horses…

…I say this out of practicality…right now IAF has been falling behind in their squadron strength and other than outright purchasing more Rafales…or somehow coming up with a good amount of GE engines for their Tejas…there doesn’t seem to be anything on the horizon in the short term.
…even these aren’t really short term…it would take at least 5 years to have more new Rafales or Tejas in a meaningful number.

This opportunity can be used to allocate the available funds in a more meaningful way than buying a shiny new toy…a 5th gen fighter while the adversary is quite further out from having that.

…some possibilities are purchase more J10s(bcuz those F16s will be getting old in the next decade and afterwards).
…produce more JF17 block IIIs

Or a combination of the above…to basically have the squadron strength PAF wants…if the old legacy jets are to be phased out.

Most likely JF17s and J10s cost less per unit than J35…this means the extra money can be used to build more indigenous capabilities like SAM systems, munitions, and whatever level of participation in KAAN is(subsystems?).

Alternatively Pakistan as a country…could focus more on building its economy while tightening the belt a bit on defense spending.

Yes yes…hate me all u want…but I personally wouldn’t go buy a Lamborghini over let’s say buying a house and a Toyota Corolla.
…all I’m saying is that if PAF has breathing room…it should use it for longer term gains.

@Oscar @Quwa @Be dazzled @Fatman17
Thoughts?

Economy needs to be improved no doubt about it. But reducing defense spending won't improve your economy, you are being ruled by a criminal cabal of PML N and PPP and MQM for decades you can't prosper with kind of corrupt and incompetent leaders we have, this defense spending is one area where we are actually spending honestly and buying good systems, apart from this everyone is making money in trillions, PPP, PML N and their daddy.

 

[Oscar]

And that’s why the f-35 gets so much flak! The fact it’s a flying computer doesn’t negate this major drawback. A J35 without a super cruising engine will never be a credible aircraft, except maybe for poor and desperate countries.

Btw, there are plans to ensure the F-35 has supercruise capability by 2029!

What does super cruising do?
Benefits please - instead of shooting off statements “just because”

 

[Oscar]

Hi,

It gets the flak from those who just want to find something wrong---.

Supercruise is the last effort of defiance by the stealth aircraft---other than that---it performs all its duties within the envelope on sub supersonic speed.

You surprise me with your comments.

Not exactly but let’s see what he says

 

[Cookie Monster]

Economy needs to be improved no doubt about it. But reducing defense spending won't improve your economy, you are being ruled by a criminal cabal of PML N and PPP and MQM for decades you can't prosper with kind of corrupt and incompetent leaders we have, this defense spending is one area where we are actually spending honestly and buying good systems, apart from this everyone is making money in trillions, PPP, PML N and their daddy.

In short my point is…u can’t compete with an enemy who is bigger than u naturally(manpower, land size, resources) and focuses on its economy(growing it) while also growing its local industry(although inefficient but still they are chugging along and will eventually get there)…
…all while u neglect ur economy(in fact take it in the opposite direction)…burdening it with loans and more loans…
…and then try to procure defense equipment on loans just to keep up.

Such an approach will only take u so far…temporarily…before that house of cards crumbles.

Just today I took a cursory look at another thread which said something along the lines “per Pak’s Financial Minister…countries don’t want to roll over Pak’s debt”…which is how the world works…and is a slap to these beggars ruling the country.

It’s not rocket science…it’s simple math and we all saw an example of this not too long ago with USSR.

So all I was saying is…while IAF is caught in a pickle…giving some breathing room to PAF…PAF should make full use of this opportunity rather than off the shelf purchases of a couple of squadrons.

But as I said…and it’s apparent from responses…it’s an unpopular opinion.

 

[iblini]

In short my point is…u can’t compete with an enemy who is bigger than u naturally(manpower, land size, resources) and focuses on its economy(growing it) while also growing its local industry(although inefficient but still they are chugging along and will eventually get there)…
…all while u neglect ur economy(in fact take it in the opposite direction)…burdening it with loans and more loans…
…and then try to procure defense equipment on loans just to keep up.

Such an approach will only take u so far…temporarily…before that house of cards crumbles.

Just today I took a cursory look at another thread which said something along the lines “per Pak’s Financial Minister…countries don’t want to roll over Pak’s debt”…which is how the world works…and is a slap to these beggars ruling the country.

It’s not rocket science…it’s simple math and we all saw an example of this not too long ago with USSR.

So all I was saying is…while IAF is caught in a pickle…giving some breathing room to PAF…PAF should make full use of this opportunity rather than off the shelf purchases of a couple of squadrons.

But as I said…and it’s apparent from responses…it’s an unpopular opinion.

The problem of your theory is what if India suddenly signed a contract and caught you off guard, then it would be too late, isn't it?

 

[Mrc]

Economy was ruined by handsome is doing OK at the moment

 

[TopGun786]

Economy was ruined by handsome is doing OK at the moment

Shabaz sharif isn't handsome.

 

[prothought]

PAF J-35s won't be flying anywhere near the Indian border even.

They will be used to defend Pakistani airspace.

No-one is going to be buying J-35 with WS-13E engine - lol.

I would say let's trust the PAF. I am sure they know what they are doing. Also, please don't underestimate Chinese industrial prowess. The developmental journey of J-10 is an astonishing one. Chinese are amazingly getting better in the futuristic technologies. Who knows what the future has for J-35 too.

 

[SABRE]

Since most Kelly it wont be available for export. I‘m pretty sure China won‘t risk loosing one of Pakistan‘s J-35 together with its latest engine somewhere somewhen in India!

So, if Paksitan wants that bird so eagerly, they must accept, that they maybe get it only with the older/weaker engine.

I didn't know its so advance that it will remain intact after crashing.

 

[Deino]

I didn't know its so advance that it will remain intact after crashing.

Com on ... surely still intact enough to analyse enough for years! Just look at the MKI "crash", the recent downing of the S-70. To analyse material and whatever surely enough would remain!

 

[TallGuy]

Hi,


You should have asked that officer---" sir---are you quoting MK---".

Thank you. I knew it because I had an electronic auto engine kill switch in pakistan in 1974.

It is called a cylinder balance tester. You clip positive to positice---negative to ground and then a clip went to coil wire that went into the distributor cap( now we don't have distributors on cars ).

It had the option to kill 1 cylinder or--- even or odd cylinders at the twist of a knob---the drop in RPM would tell the performance of the each cylinder---.

That was 50's technology. Now we are in the realm of digital technology---.

Being in the digital age---a million and one glitches may be activated considering different situations---.

I could not comprehend at that time how educated young pakistani men could not understand the concept of a "kill switch"---.

sorry, Mastan Sb, Bedford Engine has a manual "kill switch" type thing its a rod if you pull it out! it kills the torque completely - its near driver seat . its 30-40s tech..

i had to say it!

 

[UKBengali]

Com on ... surely still intact enough to analyse enough for years! Just look at the MKI "crash", the recent downing of the S-70. To analyse material and whatever surely enough would remain!

I can believe that the J-35 will have an export version with downgraded stealth, radar/avionics and a lower range BVRAAM like PL-15E.

Engine looks like it will be offered with WS-21 or WS-19(will be available maybe from 2030 onwards to export customers as PLAN/PLAAF will have priority).

However it will still trounce any 4+ generation fighter with ease.