Green light for Eurofighter from Germany for the Turkish Air Force

[hyperman]

will be able to carry MdCN missiles. Which can actually reach any part of Turkey and negates the strategic depth they used to boast about.

Will you be getting the export version? b/c the export versions are usually restricted to 300km.

Either way, the strategic depth is still relevant b/c its difficult to hit hardened targets deep inland, especially with a limited supply of salvos, when they aren't domestically produced.

 

[MMM-E]

. Except that he had suprised everyone when he mentioned that the all except the first frigate,will be able to carry MdCN missiles. Which can actually reach any part of Turkey and negates the strategic depth they used to boast about

Only export variant with range of less than 300 km , because of MTCR agreement


MdCN Missile is subsonic with speed of mach 0,85
and Turkish KORKUT , SUNGUR , GURZ , HISAR , GOKDEMIR Air Defense Systems to intercept Cruise Missiles including SCALP and MdCN

4 FDI Frigates can carry only 24-48 MdCN Cruise Missiles that can not be a big threat ... most of them will be intercepted by Turkish AD Systems

on the other hand
Turkiye has its own hypersonic Missile TAYFUN reached sped of 6,600 km per hour ( mach 5,3 ) which allows it to penetrate most of enemy air defence systems

TAYFUN SRBM as Turkiye's First Hypersonic Hitter​

Greece never can match with regional power Turkiye .... not even close

Greece just buying but Turkiye produce its own weapons

 

[Foinikas]

Will you be getting the export version? b/c the export versions are usually restricted to 300km.

Either way, the strategic depth is still relevant b/c its difficult to hit hardened targets deep inland, especially with a limited supply of salvos, when they aren't domestically produced.

Oh no habibi,from what I know it's the real deal. Around 1,400 km. We also have SCALP-EG but theoretically they are the export version,but question is,if France and Britain gave Ukraine the original version(which they did),wouldn't France have sold us some of them as well since we've already signed a mutual defence treaty? It's not for sure,it's just a thought. But the MdCN does have the 1,400 km range.

However,just 24 missiles wouldn't do much. But they do send a message: We can reach you too,everywhere. Still,it would make more sense if we bought a land-based version in the future.

 

[Foinikas]

Greece never can match with regional power Turkiye .... not even close

Greece just buying but Turkiye produce its own weapons

-Turkey produce its own
-Asks for F-16V
-Asks for Eurofighter
-Asks for F-35

Nobody can match regional superpower Turkiye. Not even close. Not even far. It's like...distant superpower. Very distant.

 

[Foinikas]

The Waiter came back with his wet dreams about 2030 Greece


14.11.2024 .. Greek Defense Minister DENDIAS
Greece faces a potential threat from a foe "9 to 10 times" its size that has two Satellites while Greece has none of its own, Dendias said of Turkey.

Greece has nothing of its own , not even a wheel and still dreaming about fighting Turkiye which has its own advanced defense industry

Greece Outlines Defence Shakeup, Drone Plans

Greece said Thursday it would shake up its defence forces to save money and sideline older weapons in favour of drones after lessons drawn from Ukraine.

www.barrons.com

Countries like tiny Greece is nothig to compare with regional Power Turkiye


Superior Turkish Military Power with bigger Defense Budget

-- Turkiye has bigger Economy ( GDP nominal ) than Greece+Egypt+Israel combined

-- Turkiye's 2025 defence and national security budget will be $47 billion


1-) 300 Fighter Jets with AESA Radar and long range BVR air to air missiles
150 OZGUR modernized F-16 ( block70 standard )
119 F-16 VIPER Block70
40 Eurofighter T-3/4
20 KAAN Block10
View attachment 80471

Also 100+ KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet too

MURAD AESA Radar
25 km BOZGOGAN WVR air to air Missile
100+ km GOKDOGAN BVR air to air Missile
SOM-J Cruise Missile
AKBABA supersonic anti-radiation Missile

Turkiye is one of the leader countries in future tactical air combat operate with manned-unmanned Fighter Jets together like one team
View attachment 80494

Speaking to the Greek newspaper To Vima, senior Greek officials commented, “As far as the Greek pilots have seen, the Turkish pilots are older and have grey hair.”

Reply with the coat of arms from Turkish Pilots
View attachment 80473


Also over 500 UCAVs including AKINCI strategic Strike UCAVs armed with 150-200-280 km long range weapons to hit everything from safe distance including S300 , PATRIOT , DAVID's SLING AD Systems
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Greece only can dream about these technologies
AEWC and SOJ capabilities with 8 modern Aircraft

4 E-7T AEWC with 600 km AESA Radar
4 HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer with range of 450 km
And ASOJ-234U Radar and Communication Jamming System based on AKINCI UAV platform

Also mobile Radar Electronic Warfare System REDET-II

Only Israel and Turkiye have these capabilities in the region
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Military Satellites with 30-70cm resolution satellite imagery

GOKTURK-1
GOKRUEK-2
GOKTURK-3 synthetic aperture radar (SAR) reconnaissance and surveillance Satellite
GOKTURK-Y
IMECE

Great Air Defense capabilities

KORKUT 35 mm SPAAG
SUNGUR and GURZ Air Defense Systems
HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
HISAR-O and GOKDEMIR medium altitude Air Defense Systems
SIPER and S-400 high altitude Air Defense Systems

Early Warning Radars
460 km AN/FPS-117 L-band AESA Radar
470 km Selex RAT-31DL 3D L-Band Surveillance AESA Radar
700 km Aselsan ALP-300G New generation S-Band AESA Radar
Aselsan ALP-600G very high altitude AESA Radar
Aselsan ALP-400G VHF - UHF Radar

Also stand alone mode
600 km BIG BIRD Radar of S400 AD System


So funny , Greece is dreaming about 24-48 Cruise Missiles while Turkiye has the 2nd strongest fire power in NATO after USA

Turkish Armed Forces will contribute the Air Force with long range weapons for strategic strike capabilities

280 km BORA Tactical Ballistic Missile
280 km KARA-ATMACA ground launched Cruise Missile
280 km SOM air launched Cruise Missile

560+ km TAYFUN hypersonic Ballistic Missile
1.000 + km CENK hypersonic Ballistic Missile
1.000 + km GEZGIN strategic Cruise Missile
800 km KARGI anti-radiation Drone
700 km SUPER SIMSEK jet engine powered kamikaze Drone with speed of mach 0.9

even I am not talking about thousands of 100-150-200 km TOLUN-IIR , CAKIR , IHA-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , KGK-LR , SIMSEK , KEMANKES , HARM , SLAM-ER , AKBABA , HARPOON , J600T , ATACMS , TRG-300



Greeks are still dreaming with 4 FDI Frigates while Turkiye gets 40 new Warships , 14 new Submarines , 2 Aircraft Carriers

-- 8 ISTIF class Frigates
-- 4 modernized MEKO-200TN class Frigates
-- 4+4 TF-2000 class Destroyers
-- 10 HISAR class OPVs
-- 10 new type FACs
-- TCG UFUK Electronic Warfare Ship
-- Type-214TN and MILDEN class AIP Submarines
-- STM-500 mini attack Submarines
-- 230 m TCG ANADOLU light Aircraft Carrier to carry TB-3 , KIZILELMA and HURJET
-- 285 m Aircraft Carrier to carry TB-3 , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3 and HURJET

also unmanned combat vessels and unmanned kamikaze vessels


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Greeks are really living in their fantasy world

Threats from Russia and Iran have brought a new perspective to the West towards Turkiye which is the only power protecting the east and south of NATO

40 F-16Vs and 40 Eurofighters joins the Turkish Air Force

See guys,if one reads this whole post he wonders "why come back to the forum?"
What's the point? He keeps acting like this,nobody does a thing,when they ban him for a week or a month,he comes back and does the exact same thing.

Some parts of it make me wanna laugh and some parts make me wanna say "Shut the f up,enough is enough" and start calling him a long series of names.

Some say "oh keep him in the forum,he is a valuable source of information". The truth is you can find the same info on Turkish sites and without the ultranationalistic narration and mocking.

My country has a purely defensive doctrine and a purely defensive army. Anything else,people saying "Greece is trying to build an army to attack Turkey" or "Greece provokes Turkey" or "Greece attacks Turkey" is a complete lie and fake news. We're only trying to have a chance at defending what's ours and nothing else. Because,almost no country would simply say "Well,you're stronger,I can't match you,I give up you can annex me". Not even Estonia or Taiwan said that. Not even Lebanon!

Anyway,here's Dendias' announcements in English:

Dendias: New Armed Forces Structure with mergers of units and formations and anti-drone dome - Πτήση

We should move quickly to close 137 military camps. By 2025 this should be over…We must also enter the age of drones. Every unit of the Greek Army will have an anti-drone capability and 3 of the 4 types of Battalions we are creating will also have the ability to fly drones”, Defence Minister...

flight.com.gr

 

[altafahmed]

Green light for Eurofighter from Germany


Germany had previously obstructed the acquisition of Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets for the Turkish Air Force, has now allowed the commencement of technical discussions. A technical delegation from the UK, Italy, Spain, and Germany has arrived in Turkiye. The talks are expected to last for three weeks.

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The obstacle posed by Germany regarding Turkey's request to procure 24 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets, produced in consortium with four European countries, is being removed. It has been learned that the German government has approved the start of technical discussions regarding the sale of Eurofighter Typhoon.

24 FIGHTER JETS TO BE ACQUIRED IN THE FIRST PHASE​

According to information reported by NTV, if Germany gives final approval for the sale after the technical discussions, Turkiye will acquire 24 Eurofighter fighter jets as soon as possible in the first phase. In later stages of the process, this number will be completed to 40.

With the procurement of Eurofighter fighter jets, the Turkish Air Force will have aircraft equipped with AESA radar for the first time. Experts emphasize that Eurofighter will be the most suitable solution during the interim period until the entry of the national fighter jet KAAN and the F-16 Block 70 fighter jets into the inventory.

Isn't F-16 Ozgur yet equipped with AESA Radar?

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

See guys,if one reads this whole post he wonders "why come back to the forum?"
What's the point? He keeps acting like this,nobody does a thing,when they ban him for a week or a month,he comes back and does the exact same thing.

Some parts of it make me wanna laugh and some parts make me wanna say "Shut the f up,enough is enough" and start calling him a long series of names.

Some say "oh keep him in the forum,he is a valuable source of information". The truth is you can find the same info on Turkish sites and without the ultranationalistic narration and mocking.

My country has a purely defensive doctrine and a purely defensive army. Anything else,people saying "Greece is trying to build an army to attack Turkey" or "Greece provokes Turkey" or "Greece attacks Turkey" is a complete lie and fake news. We're only trying to have a chance at defending what's ours and nothing else. Because,almost no country would simply say "Well,you're stronger,I can't match you,I give up you can annex me". Not even Estonia or Taiwan said that. Not even Lebanon!

Anyway,here's Dendias' announcements in English:

Dendias: New Armed Forces Structure with mergers of units and formations and anti-drone dome - Πτήση

We should move quickly to close 137 military camps. By 2025 this should be over…We must also enter the age of drones. Every unit of the Greek Army will have an anti-drone capability and 3 of the 4 types of Battalions we are creating will also have the ability to fly drones”, Defence Minister...

flight.com.gr

Dear Better put him on ignore list. Your contribution is valueable for us.

 

[MMM-E]

-Turkey produce its own
-Asks for F-16V
-Asks for Eurofighter
-Asks for F-35

He came back with his silly posts

China also produce its own
but bought S400 , SU-35 , etc from Russia

S.Korea also produce its own
but bought F-15 , F-35 , etc from USA

The UK also produce its own
but bought F-35 , P-8 , AH-64 and many more from USA


F-16V and Eurofighter are interim solution to maintain the power of the Turkish Air Force until KAAN Fighter Jet squadrons enter service

Btw I was talking about Missiles
Greece produce nothing but Turkiye produce all kinds of Missiles

"Greece attacks Turkey" is a complete lie and fake news. We're only trying to have a chance at defending what's ours

You have nothing in the Eastern Mediterranean

enough with your puppet Greece
USA-France say jump and Greece say how long sir
typical thieves with French-Americans

 

[hyperman]

Oh no habibi,from what I know it's the real deal. Around 1,400 km. We also have SCALP-EG but theoretically they are the export version,but question is,if France and Britain gave Ukraine the original version(which they did),wouldn't France have sold us some of them as well since we've already signed a mutual defence treaty? It's not for sure,it's just a thought. But the MdCN does have the 1,400 km range.

However,just 24 missiles wouldn't do much. But they do send a message: We can reach you too,everywhere. Still,it would make more sense if we bought a land-based version in the future.

Well lets see, the ones sent to Ukraine were from French Stock itself which is why they likely had no limitation. But let see.. either way you would need more than 24. Thats likely not going to penetrate air defense extensively at a hardened facility. And wouldn't be a sustained fight.

There is no replacement for building your own turbofan engines and your own missiles, where you control your own eco system and can sustainably produce munitions while a conflict is ongoing in hardened facilities especially underground in mountain.

Turkey is quite mountainous, I hope they start building production facilities underground under heavy mountain rock like Iran is doing.

I don't think Turkey is looking for a fight but the neighborhood is getting quite chaotic, and they need to be prepared for any scenario.

I don't really see any conflict with Greece unless someone tries to change the status quo unilaterally. I don't like Mitsotakis but he is a lot more level headed than Dendias who seems to have a stick up his @$$ for Turkey for whatever reason. lol

 

[MMM-E]

Will you be getting the export version? b/c the export versions are usually restricted to 300km.

He provide own opinions, without the official source.

France can not sale 1.400 km missile to Greece
if nobody cares about MTCR agreement then Turkiye can get 2.750 km Ballistic Missile from Pakistan to cover all Europe and Middle East

Greece can get export variant of MdCN with range of 250-280 km as like 250-280 km SLACP-EG export variant

 

[hyperman]

He provide own opinions, without the official source.

France can not sale 1.400 km missile to Greece
if nobody cares about MTCR agreement then Turkiye can get 2.750 km Ballistic Missile from Pakistan to cover all Europe and Middle East

Greece can get export variant of MdCN with range of 250-280 km as like 250-280 km SLACP-EG export variant

well its complicated Greece is an MTCR member so technically France is allowed to give them the missile, just like the US gives the UK Tomahawks.

The export restriction is to non MTCR states.

But lets see which version they get. Either way its not a significant difference from other subsonic cruise missiles. and they would be needed in numbers to have any significant impact..

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Greece is a signatory and member of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). It joined the MTCR in November 2007. It can get longer range missiles without any restriction of 300 KM.

 

[MMM-E]

well its complicated Greece is an MTCR member so technically France is allowed to give them the missile, just like the US gives the UK Tomahawks.

The export restriction is to non MTCR states.

Then why Greece only got the 250 km export version of SCALP Missile ?

USA sold even 900 km AGM-158 JASSM-ER Cruise Missile to Poland

The MTCR agreement has no legally binding provisions

 

[MMM-E]

But lets see which version they get. Either way its not a significant difference from other subsonic cruise missiles. and they would be needed in numbers to have any significant impact..

Its subsonic missile .. ( mach 0,65 )
5 years ago we had nothig except RAPIER and HAWK
now we gets 4 different air defense systems KORKUT , GURZ , HISAR , GOKDEMIR that can intercept cruise missiles

MdCN is very expensive Missile ( $3 million per unit )
Greece can not buy hundreds of them for swarm attack

and 24-48 Missiles can not be a big theeat to Turkiye


on the other hand
Turkiye produce 400 SOM Cruise Missiles ( 250+ units already were produced as of 2023 )

even Turkiye produce ATMACA Cruise Missile for less than $500.000
KARA-ATMACA Missile range of 280-500 km with indigenous KTJ-3700 turbojet engine



700 km SUPER SIMSEK with speed of mach 0,9 to attack on Air Defense Systems


If Greece fire 1 MdCN Missile , Turkiye can fire 6 ATMACA Missiles for respond

all targets are in range of Turkish Ballistic - Cruise Missiles in Greece and Greek Islands

100-150-200-280 km TOLUN-IIR , TRG-300 , J600T , ATACMS , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , KGK-LR , KEMANKES , SLAM-ER , SOM , ATMACA , BORA

Real game changer weapon is hypersonic TAYFUN Missile ( mach 5,3 )
and there will be anti-ship Ballistic Missile variant to hunt enemy Warships from-500-800 km away

 

[Foinikas]

I don't think Turkey is looking for a fight but the neighborhood is getting quite chaotic, and they need to be prepared for any scenario.

They sure were looking for a fight back in 2020-2022