Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[MrManiac]

 

[MrManiac]

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J-20 focuses air superiority, while J-35A covers air superiority + ground/naval strike.
Together they form "heavy - medium" combo and "specialized - do all" combo.
To improve ability to carry out attack missions in high threat high intensity environment.

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J-20 focuses air superiority, while J-35A covers air superiority + ground/naval strike.
Together they form "heavy - medium" combo and "specialized - do all" combo.
To improve ability to carry out attack missions in high threat high intensity environment.

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Exactly how does the J-35 conduct AG/Naval when its bays are small? External load?

 

[sutton9999]

J20 is about 20.4m based on satellite analysis. Su57 is 20m. These picture comparisons seem based on old speculation that J20 is over 22m.

 

[altafahmed]

From where?​

The fact that Hindustan has no option at the moment while Pakistan does, is exactly the reason why Pakistan has made the announcement so early.

It's the usual Pakistani psychological warfare against Hindustan which imposes the feeling on Hindustan that it has to prove itself against smaller Pakistan in every field.

Russian Su-57 available
US F-35 may be.

 

[Deino]

Russian Su-57 available
US F-35 may be.

Can we leave this stupid discussion on if and what 5th generation type India maybe might get out of this thread! It's irrelevant.

 

[Deino]

Unfortunately, @RickJoe_PLA writes far too rarely, but when he does, it is always a factually well-founded analysis that is well worth reading; in fact a must-read! This time, it is about the PLAAF's second stealth fighter, the J-35A, soon enter service.

Assessing the J-35A: The Chinese Air Force’s New Stealth Fighter

After its official reveal at the Zhuhai Airshow, what do we know about China’s new fifth-generation fighter?

thediplomat.com

 

[UKBengali]

Unfortunately, @RickJoe_PLA writes far too rarely, but when he does, it is always a factually well-founded analysis that is well worth reading; in fact a must-read! This time, it is about the PLAAF's second stealth fighter, the J-35A, soon enter service.

Assessing the J-35A: The Chinese Air Force’s New Stealth Fighter

After its official reveal at the Zhuhai Airshow, what do we know about China’s new fifth-generation fighter?

thediplomat.com

"However, the target powerplant for the J-35A will be the WS-19, an engine in a similar thrust and size class to the F414 or EJ200"

Really?

F414 and EJ200 are the ultimate evolution of the 4th generation engines whereas WS-19 will be fully 5th generation with T/W ratio of 10-11:1, with 11:1 being more likely.
EJ-200 is 9:2 T/W ratio and F-414 is 9:1.

I think he kind of got confused with WS-21, since WS-13E is at 8.4:1 already and so a little over 9:1 for the ultimate evolution of the WS-13 core is reasonable.

 

[Deino]

"However, the target powerplant for the J-35A will be the WS-19, an engine in a similar thrust and size class to the F414 or EJ200"

Really?

F414 and EJ200 are the ultimate evolution of the 4th generation engines whereas WS-19 will be fully 5th generation with T/W ratio of 10-11:1, with 11:1 being more likely.
EJ-200 is 9:2 T/W ratio and F-414 is 9:1.

I think he kind of got confused with WS-21, since WS-13E is at 8.4:1 already and so a little over 9:1 for the ultimate evolution of the WS-13 core is reasonable.

Well, from what i know - and as such I agree with him - the WS-19 is aimed to be a fifth generation engine (technology wise) but still rated for around 100kN!

I know, often up to 116 kN (vs. 97.9 kN for the F414, 90 kN for the EJ200 and 93.2 kN for the WS-21) are mentioned but Rick is well known to be more on the sceptical side (even more than me).

 

[Michael]

Unfortunately, @RickJoe_PLA writes far too rarely, but when he does, it is always a factually well-founded analysis that is well worth reading; in fact a must-read! This time, it is about the PLAAF's second stealth fighter, the J-35A, soon enter service.

Assessing the J-35A: The Chinese Air Force’s New Stealth Fighter

After its official reveal at the Zhuhai Airshow, what do we know about China’s new fifth-generation fighter?

thediplomat.com

I read the whole article carefully and the author is very professional. I just have two points of disagreement.
1, The information I received is that while the new J-35 shipboard version was revealed earlier, the PLAAF actually committed to the J-35 program earlier than the PLAN. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the first J-35s in service will be the Air Force version. And so it is.
2, Regarding the WS19 engine. The J-35A at this year's airshow does use the WS19 engine. This is a 100% certainty of fact. But I can't say more than that or provide proof. Everyone should know why.

F414 and EJ200 are the ultimate evolution of the 4th generation engines whereas WS-19 will be fully 5th generation with T/W ratio of 10-11:1, with 11:1 being more likely.

No one in the Chinese media considers the WS-19 to be a 5th generation engine, the common belief is that it is a 4th generation engine. About its parameters ........... Uh ........ This is currently classified information and cannot be released.

 

[UKBengali]

Well, from what i know - and as such I agree with him - the WS-19 is aimed to be a fifth generation engine (technology wise) but still rated for around 100kN!

I know, often up to 116 kN (vs. 97.9 kN for the F414, 90 kN for the EJ200 and 93.2 kN for the WS-21) are mentioned but Rick is well known to be more on the sceptical side (even more than me).

You are not comparing like with like.

It is not total thrust but T/W ratio that is important.

F414 is 9:1 whereas the WS-19 will be between 10-11:1. I am leaning towards 11:1 but we will find out eventually as this plane will be exported

Rick is not being sceptical but showing his clear lack of knowledge or bias by stating the WS-19 is comparable to F414/EJ-2000. It would be like comparing J-35A as being comparable to Eurofighter!

 

[Michael]

You are not comparing like with like.

It is not total thrust but T/W ratio that is important.

F414 is 9:1 whereas the WS-19 will be between 10-11:1. I am leaning towards 11:1 but we will find out eventually as this plane will be exported

Rick is not being sceptical but showing his clear lack of knowledge or bias by stating the WS-19 is comparable to F414/EJ-2000. It would be like comparing J-35A as being comparable to Euroghter!

The export version of the J-35 will use the WS-21 series of engines.The WS-21 is still in the process of being further upgraded, and newer versions will appear in the future.The WS-19 is not exported.
That's the info I've gotten so far.

 

[UKBengali]

The export version of the J-35 will use the WS-21 series of engines.The WS-21 is still in the process of being further upgraded, and newer versions will appear in the future.The WS-19 is not exported.
That's the info I've gotten so far.

Any idea what kind of thrust we can expect from WS-21?

 

[Michael]

Any idea what kind of thrust we can expect from WS-21?

I'm not sure of the exact parameters.
However, you can refer to their performance in real flight. At this year's airshow, WS21 and WS19 were used at the same time, can you tell the difference between them by their flight performance?
I can't distinguish between them. It shows that their current performance is very similar.

 

[UKBengali]

I'm not sure of the exact parameters.
However, you can refer to their performance in real flight. At this year's airshow, WS21 and WS19 were used at the same time, can you tell the difference between them by their flight performance?
I can't distinguish between them. It shows that their current performance is very similar.

WS-21 is the ultimate evolution of the last generation engine core, whereas WS-19 is current generation engine, if we consider the new engine in development for next-gen Chinese fighter next-generation.

I would expect 10-15% more thrust from WS-19.