Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

[EyelessInGaza]

The Hezbollah fought bravely, there can be no doubt about it. If anything they have proved that they’re a competent military force.

Iran has gained a lot of respect for its response to the Israelis, as a sovereign nation not to be taken lightly.

On the other hand, if the details of the agreement are true, and if both parties adhere to the terms going forward then:

Israel has achieved its goals of pushing the Hezbollah north of the Litani.

Israel has managed to split the conflict and, while its armed forces replenish, rest and rearm, can focus on Gaza.

It has managed to get some international support for enforcement of its terms in South Lebanon.

This to me suggests that Israel has dominated in this sphere.

There is another nuance. First, it would wrong to say that Israel’s non -occupation of Lebanon suggests it lost. taking over all, even South, of Lebanon was never a strategic objective to begin with.

Second, as far as Iran’s own war (separating that part of the conflict) is concerned, a lot will depend on their upcoming response. Its leaders have spoken publicly about a harsh response to Israel, so whether that happens or not will also be a factor in the strategic evaluation of how this war ended.

 

[Unknowntruth]

If Nasrallah was still alive, I doubt he would have agreed to split Gaza from the Lebanese front or agree to a ceasefire without Gaza. I am happy for Lebanon and their peace but I’m pessimistic about all of this.

 

[muhammed45]

If Nasrallah was still alive, I doubt he would have agreed to split Gaza from the Lebanese front or agree to a ceasefire without Gaza. I am happy for Lebanon and their peace but I’m pessimistic about all of this.

It is a 60 days truce with USA's rabid dog. We will not leave Gaza alone. Who knows, maybe after the upcoming TP-3, an other front be opened against US dog.

 

[HAIDER]

Isreali want short term truce to counter imminent intense attack from Iran. This war is making them weak every minute. this war turn into financial blackhole .

 

[Kambojaric]

I am wondering if the Hzb perspective on this ceasefire is related to the upcoming Iranian strike. Israels modus operandi whenever hit is to engage in terrorism. Attacking civilian residence and infrastructure is how it believes it can rebuild deterrence if it is seriously damaged.

If the Iranian strike occurs during the ceasefire period, then Lebanon which is still somewhat a functioning state will technically remain outside of Israels orbit of terrorism. Of course this theory of mine should be taken with a grain of salt as the Israelis are also notoriously untrustworthy, and will break a ceasefire whenever they feel like it. However I am inclined to lean towards thinking that Hzb are getting more from this than we might initially think.

 

[sumit_123]

Looks like bad news for Gaza, Israel can now focus it's energies and resources at Gaza. It looks more and more likely that Israel will annex some part of Gaza permanently.

 

[Falcon29]

If Nasrallah was still alive, I doubt he would have agreed to split Gaza from the Lebanese front or agree to a ceasefire without Gaza. I am happy for Lebanon and their peace but I’m pessimistic about all of this.

Imo, I personally viewed him as the problem. Politically indecisive and incompetent when it comes to Israel. He was good for the movement's social cohesion internally and with the Lebanese social fabric.

He didn't use Hezbollah's military tools effectively. Instead allowed Israel to progressively chip away at their military capabilities until come September for the widescale attack that was intended to pressure them to withdraw from the conflict.

Because of this, Israeli's had escalation dominance over much of the conflict. And got to approach the conflict on their own terms and time table. Which is a big failure for Hezbollah and whomever was advising them.

Whoever is in charge now can see how badly mismanaged it all was, and has domestic pressure from allies in Lebanese government but also his own base that were displaced and not comfortable in all of Lebanon. The Israeli ground invasion was advancing to the next stage. The opportunity for 1701-like proposal was best case scenario and they took it. To secure their future in Lebanon and to conduct an entire audit and performance review of the organization.

 

[Mehdipersian]

The Arabs are neither weak, divided nor subjugated and pacified in the ME..get your facts right..

The fighting in Gaza and Lebanon was by Arab fractions belonging to the Iranian
politics in the region..the Arabs did what they could to stop the bloodshed but in reality the issue was/is between the US and Iran in the region..even Israel is nothing but a card in the hand of the US to play ME politics by extension..

This is the battle of Islam against the infidels and enemies of Islam.

The rulers of the Arab countries showed that they are the puppets of the infidels and enemies of Islam

 

[UKBengali]

Imo, I personally viewed him as the problem. Politically indecisive and incompetent when it comes to Israel. He was good for the movement's social cohesion internally and with the Lebanese social fabric.

He didn't use Hezbollah's military tools effectively. Instead allowed Israel to progressively chip away at their military capabilities until come September for the widescale attack that was intended to pressure them to withdraw from the conflict.

Because of this, Israeli's had escalation dominance over much of the conflict. And got to approach the conflict on their own terms and time table. Which is a big failure for Hezbollah and whomever was advising them.

Whoever is in charge now can see how badly mismanaged it all was, and has domestic pressure from allies in Lebanese government but also his own base that were displaced and not comfortable in all of Lebanon. The Israeli ground invasion was advancing to the next stage. The opportunity for 1701-like proposal was best case scenario and they took it. To secure their future in Lebanon and to conduct an entire audit and performance review of the organization.

Nasrallah died a martyr but he had the large share of the blame for what happened to Lebanon over the past 2 months.

Had he responded tit for tat with the Zionist agression against Lebanon, it never would have got to the stage where the entity was bombing Beirut openly in September.

Hezbollah should have used its heavy rocket arsenal much earlier in order to deter the entity from escalating with each successive attack.

 

[Liquidator]

Looks like bad news for Gaza, Israel can now focus it's energies and resources at Gaza. It looks more and more likely that Israel will annex some part of Gaza pepermanently.

They were going to kill everyone in Gaza anyway. Hzb was limited in what it could do for Gaza anyway other than to delay.

I hope TP3 comes into play soon, perhaps that is the plan.

 

[sumit_123]

They were going to kill everyone in Gaza anyway. Hzb was limited in what it could do for Gaza anyway other than to delay.

I hope TP3 comes into play soon, perhaps that is the plan.

True, but think of it a Hezbollah- Israel truce has to have Iran's blessings and if that is the case then either the truce won't last long or Iran will either do a cosmetic attack or none at all, makes sense with Trump coming to office soon

 

[Aziqbal]

And why blame the Arabs if the resistance movements in the ME take their orders from Iran???

There used to be something called Arab honor it was in the old days , now tabs just love prostitute and hookers

When Arabs failed to offer Palestinians any better alternative they had no other choice

You can’t blame them for making a bad choice if you never offered anything better

And I don’t think they made any bad choices

 

[PakFactor]

Nasrallah died a martyr but he had the large share of the blame for what happened to Lebanon over the past 2 months.

Had he responded tit for tat with the Zionist agression against Lebanon, it never would have got to the stage where the entity was bombing Beirut openly in September.

Hezbollah should have used its heavy rocket arsenal much earlier in order to deter the entity from escalating with each successive attack.

There were only two approaches.

1) Go all out when the Gaza conflict started and infiltrate Northern Israel and the Golan Heights and cause mass casualties to Israelis. Let it blow into a full-blown war. (I think this would have added more pressure on Israel's side to cede some terms to the groups).

2) Stay out of it altogether.

They, playing the middle road, got their heads lobbed off between its shoulders. With top leadership dead, infiltration within the group (beeper attack and all), and destroyed military hardware, it has set them back.

As for the Lebanese Army, a round of applause, the only army to sit on its ass while its territory is bombed, every one of them should be lined up and shot dead.

 

[BHAN85]

Isreali want short term truce to counter imminent intense attack from Iran. This war is making them weak every minute. this war turn into financial blackhole .

Iran retaliation will be intense now and later.

Israel is waiting just for Trump administration.

Truce will be over just a few days after Trump administration start.

 

[UKBengali]

There were only two approaches.

1) Go all out when the Gaza conflict started and infiltrate Northern Israel and the Golan Heights and cause mass casualties to Israelis. Let it blow into a full-blown war. (I think this would have added more pressure on Israel's side to cede some terms to the groups).

2) Stay out of it altogether.

They, playing the middle road, got their heads lobbed off between its shoulders. With top leadership dead, infiltration within the group (beeper attack and all), and destroyed military hardware, it has set them back.

As for the Lebanese Army, a round of applause, the only army to sit on its ass while its territory is bombed, every one of them should be lined up and shot dead.

Yep by late November when world saw the genocide being committed in Gaza, that was perfect opportunity for Hezbollah to go all out on the entity.