Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Strider]

Exactly, that's the open question

My other point is this, or question, how solid are china led initiatives looking long term, bri BRICS....


If china planned to use the Muslim world as a buffer or ally to us adventures then they actually need nations to exist


Russia kind of tried

China likes to do business. The thousands of people killed in the Middle East could have been consumers of Chinese goods boosting their profits.

That said, BRICS is not viable in my opinion. If something is to counter the West, its members must be aligned and united behind a goal guided by a common set of values and principles.

The Global South undoubtedly has potential. However, that cohesion simply isn't there to make any sort of team up meaningful.

 

[Flotilla]

Well, they would need at least new Mig29. Or Bayraktars that are substantially better

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Well, they would need at least new Mig29. Or Bayraktars that are substantially better.

 

[Foinikas]

Well, they would need at least new Mig29. Or Bayraktars that are substantially better

Well, they would need at least new Mig29. Or Bayraktars that are substantially better.

Like....who said it,was it @Ali_Baba or @UKBengali or @SteppeWolff ? You break it,you buy it!

Turkey should provide them with free HISAR,Siper and Korkut systems,along with modern artillery batteries and fleets of UAVs. Of course,Israel would not allow that,so the Turks would say "We'll make bases in Syria to protect you and use the weapons because we know them better". They won't like it,but they'll say "ok".

And that's how you create a protectorate. Of course...Israel wouldn't allow that either.

 

[PakAl]

Because Islam is the EXCUSE -
Someone in my family met a Syrian(old man at the time) taxi driver ages ago who asked him about Shia-Sunni conflict in Pakistan - and he commented that he doesn’t understand why a centuries old tribal enmity from his land over who supported whom on that horrible calamity in Karabala has anything to do with Pakistanis when they have no blood relation or any aspect into it?

This is all political - power games that use true suffering of Palestinians, Kurds, Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans and Arabs and other players all over- give it a religious narrative that suits them and has nothing to do with reality — and then allows them to permit anything.

ISIS had ranks of former criminals and all who would take married women forcibly as wives, rape them and turn them into Slaves - Al-Assad has people who opposed him from the 1980’s who actually think Saddam Hussain came to free them - Evangelicals who have been fed a doctored narrative (post 1950s) that the same people who persecuted followers of Christ and made the romans execute (in their interpretation) him must return to lands of Judea so Christ can return and redeem them …
The power of belief is such that any lie can be sold onto it…

Right now extremist Hindus are going after places in India which for the longest time were revered by all religions…

So ironically - the world is going back to the dark ages or rather Surah Asr is coming true.

Chaos - the one killing does not know why they are killing and the one getting killed does not know why they were killed..

Everyone thinking they are on the path to salvation

A great war is coming. All this chaos, destabilizing, killings, lies, false propaganda, deception is done by the deceiver and his followers. Muslims are also copying them, are involved in false propaganda and deception. The people of haqq are very less these days so the message to them is never leave hope.

 

[UKBengali]

Like....who said it,was it @Ali_Baba or @UKBengali or @SteppeWolff ? You break it,you buy it!

Turkey should provide them with free HISAR,Siper and Korkut systems,along with modern artillery batteries and fleets of UAVs. Of course,Israel would not allow that,so the Turks would say "We'll make bases in Syria to protect you and use the weapons because we know them better". They won't like it,but they'll say "ok".

And that's how you create a protectorate. Of course...Israel wouldn't allow that either.

Turkey has nothing at the level of Iranian Khordad 15 that was the best MRSAM/LRSAM deployed in Syria. Siper has just been deployed and won’t be as good due to Iran’s greater experience in SAM systems.

It along with Russian systems like Buk/S-300 forced the Zionists to fire stand off missiles at Syria when Assad was in power.

 

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[r3alist]

China likes to do business. The thousands of people killed in the Middle East could have been consumers of Chinese goods boosting their profits.

That said, BRICS is not viable in my opinion. If something is to counter the West, its members must be aligned and united behind a goal guided by a common set of values and principles.

The Global South undoubtedly has potential. However, that cohesion simply isn't there to make any sort of team up meaningful.

Forget consumers

Bri had Syria component


Cohesion, credibility has to be created

In summary, china is next because the west keeps gaining, as things are

 

[StrategicBear]

The one who can stop Israel right now is...... a new player in the game?

I sense something foreboding......

 

[mulj]

That was not a wise statement from a 1-day old leader of a dirt pile of a nation. Can you criticize what Israel is doing now?

can you not?

 

[mulj]

Looking at that map (which is better, thank you), it gets more and more crazy. The entire Deir-Ez-Zor region has literally 0 native Kurds.

Deir ez-Zor Governorate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What is next, YPG/PKK claiming next door Al-Anbar?

But wait a second, are some local but confused Arab clans and tribes (or at least Arab elements) not a part of the SDF currently? I know that they previously had to join hands against ISIS and Al-Assad but now it makes zero sense for them to be a part of the SDF. Hence the large civilian protests in the region.

The world is getting more and more crazy by each day.

mostly opportunistic unprincipled remnants of FSA from beginning of war, no grass root support from arabs for sdf.

 

[PakAl]

The one who can stop Israel right now is...... a new player in the game?

I sense something foreboding......

No new player, Turkey will control north Syria with Usa SDF, middle will be controlled by Saudi Arabia and south Israeli controlled/influenced.

 

[Strider]

Forget consumers

Bri had Syria component


Cohesion, credibility has to be created

In summary, china is next because the west keeps gaining, as things are

China is capable, but I doubt they can do it alone. A coalition of nations who share both economic and security concerns may be required to keep the West in check. BRICS is not the answer.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but an alternative to the Dollar will be needed sooner or later.

 

[FHN]

Forget consumers

Bri had Syria component


Cohesion, credibility has to be created

In summary, china is next because the west keeps gaining, as things are

anti US hegemony folks focused more on capacity to outbuild the US in ships missiles and planes and less on saber rattling sabotage fantasies with weak hands they probably wouldn’t be anxiously jumping from one L to the next furious at world events disappointing them.Syria is just not materially important to China. You guys treat it as important by default not off any strategically material basis but by vague symbolic “anti America” association.

 

[FHN]

Multipolarity is still real. Syria is not the rest of the Global South. It’s important to Russia and iran but china biggest focus right now are southeast Asia and Latin America.Geopolitics isn’t a cheer squad solidarity exercise against “my” preferred bad guy.my bet is on China’s producer power and trade gravity, what real global influence is built on. You guys don’t get it. Just because China is not a mercantile raider doesn’t mean it’s playing global altruistic. China is still plays for itself, just not viciously like US and EU.Getting tangled in Syria internal beefing doesn’t make much sense for the hand that China has anyways. Like I said their best play is to do business with whoever is in charge.What does China get from Syria? It has multiple options for oil, which it will need less and less as its energy mix transitions, and most of its other most main imports have nothing to do with the Middle East.

 

[_Arabia_]

Thanks, good post.

mostly opportunistic unprincipled remnants of FSA from beginning of war, no grass root support from arabs for sdf.

Indeed. I think that they had no other choice due to allying against first ISIS and later the Al-Assad regime. Now that both are no longer there, the point of allying with the SDF and not Syria itself is not meaningful any longer.

However as I discussed with @hyperman , I think it is a question of time before SDF loses at least 90% of their territory which is non-Kurdish inhabited but majority Arab inhabited. I don't think that the Turkmens and the small Assyrian (they really dislike Kurds for historical reasons) communities want any part of it.

The only troublemaker in this regard is the sponsor (USA) and partner (Israel).

It is a difficult situation but due to geography only Turkey can defeat the YPG/PKK elements and end that failed project. I hope and trust that they will be able to.

No new player, Turkey will control north Syria with Usa SDF, middle will be controlled by Saudi Arabia and south Israeli controlled/influenced.

No, Syrians will rule Syria. They did not kick out the Al-Assad regime/Russia/Wagner/Iran/100's of foreign Shia militia terrorist groups, just for others to take their place and "rule" them.