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[ToddE]

The SAA pilots couldn't fly em out to Iran or even Iraq either. The US and IDF control the airspace in both Syria and Iraq and had blocked all land crossings and air corridors. Iran has no access to Syria. The US and Israel occupy the country and have occupied it for many years.

The PMU army that was sent as a last resort turned back toward Iraq after their commander was contacted by the Iraqi defense minister and told to turn back or else get bombed relentlessly by US/ IDF/ Al-Turkiya jets from Al-Tanf, Erbil, incirlik , Al-Assad (H-3), Mafrak.

Idiotic jihadist people here think Iran had like a million strong army in Syria defending Assad, but the reality was there wasn't even a 1000 total advisors embedded all over the country with no say on jack shit.

Anyway.......what a disaster Syria was. Now when greater Kurdistan appears magically, just like the KRG mysteriously appeared, only then these jihadi bastards here will understand what really happened......lol

If Iranian intel knew of this fiasco then they could have easily planned to smuggle the airframes out a month ago, atleast the MIG-29 fleet. There was no HTS controlling Syria back then.

At one point, the airspace distance between Iran and Syria is just 200-300 KM, besides if all went down with a deal cut by Iran then this airforce should have been part of the deal. Iran failed miserably in front of Israel.

 

[Ali_Baba]

If Iranian intel knew of this fiasco then they could have easily planned to smuggle the airframes out a month ago, atleast the MIG-29 fleet. There was no HTS controlling Syria back then.

At one point, the airspace distance between Iran and Syria is just 200-300 KM, besides if all went down with a deal cut by Iran then this airforce should have been part of the deal. Iran failed miserably in front of Israel.

I dont see how logically anyone could put the destruction of the Syrian IADS and Airforce at the Iranian leadership at all. Yes, it stings that so much was lost but who would have thought that the Syrian Airforce would all go home and the same for the IADS network ? It was all switched off in one go under orders from the higher leadership - why - no one saw that coming, becaause it is so fundamentally treasonous to the state outside of "party loyalty" that it should have never happened.

The destruction of the Syrian Airforce and IAD rests with the head of the Syrian Airforce and his senior leadership team. Where are those individuals right now ??

Syrian Airforce leadership seem to have been operating under firm instructions, and even if Iranian Intelligence knew of their plans, it would not have made any difference as the Syrian Airforce leadership would not have co-operated with any plans other than their orders ?

 

[UKBengali]

Thank you for injecting common sense into the discussion.

Anyone thinking that China is even close to threatening Airbus and Boeing monopoly is using some incredible illegal mind altering substances.

Just look at Sukhoi with its SJ1000 plane to see the difficulty of breaking away from Western monopolistic rule in aviation.

I don't think anyone was saying that China was close to breaking Airbus-Boeing duopoly but they are "there" with their engine technology that they can build everything themselves from now. Chinese themselves are targeting 2040s for when they are competitive with Airbus-Boeing.

No C929 will use purely Chinese systems from the word go - don't listen to wiki etc. C919 is going to be fully indigenised by 2030, although the Chinese will still probably offer two versions - one with western subsystems like engines and another purely Chinese. Customer takes their picks.

Comparing Russia with China is not logical - China has far more resources at its disposal.

 

[FHN]

I don't think anyone was saying that China was close to breaking Airbus-Boeing duopoly but they are "there" with their engine technology that they can build everything themselves from now. Chinese themselves are targeting 2040s for when they are competitive with Airbus-Boeing.

No C929 will use purely Chinese systems from the word go - don't listen to wiki etc. C919 is going to be fully indigenised by 2030, although the Chinese will still probably offer two versions - one with western subsystems like engines and another purely Chinese. Customer takes their picks.

Comparing Russia with China is not logical - China has far more resources at its disposal.

Most of the C919’s “foreign” parts are domestically produced via JVs, so actual production is still in China. China actually could have supplied all parts by itself from start, but COMAC went with foreign partners for certification reasons.

This is Airbus’s projections for how many new commercial airplanes will be brought in each region of the world for the next twenty years.I think Comac's C919 will definitely succeed simply because it is good enough, and it has preferred access to the large PRC domestic market. The planes AFTER C919 may be much better and cheaper, with indigenized supply chain. Then the West can complain about "oversupply" of commercial jets

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[jauk]

If Iranian intel knew of this fiasco then they could have easily planned to smuggle the airframes out a month ago, atleast the MIG-29 fleet. There was no HTS controlling Syria back then.

At one point, the airspace distance between Iran and Syria is just 200-300 KM, besides if all went down with a deal cut by Iran then this airforce should have been part of the deal. Iran failed miserably in front of Israel.

How exactly? Syrian AF would've simply handed over they keys?

 

[ToddE]

How exactly? Syrian AF would've simply handed over they keys?

It's pretty obvious now that Syrian authority practically did not exist for quite some time now.

Time to accept our intel failed, that, if there was an intention to acquire these modern jets. If there was no intention or urgency then its a colossal failure of policy makers altogether.

 

[jauk]

It's pretty obvious now that Syrian authority practically did not exist for quite some time now.

Time to accept our intel failed.

So the contention is the gray area between SAA's absolute control and SAA's collapse. You believe there was an opportunity for transfer there. Maybe. Or maybe not. Two things drive that: 1. How short/long that gray area timeline was. 2. The desire for Iran to 'acquire' these in the first place.

If I were Iran the costs of speeding up the collapse far outweighed the costs of taking these.

Additionally, this would have been theft which is in fundamental contrast to Iranian behavior. Iran simply doesn’t do this stuff.

 

[ToddE]

More Yak-130 inbound at 8th Shekari Esfahan. Seems like number will go to 12 soon.

 

[ToddE]

So the contention is the gray area between SAA's absolute control and SAA's collapse. You believe there was an opportunity for transfer there. Maybe. Or maybe not. Two things drive that: 1. How short/long that gray area was. 2. The desire for Iran to 'acquire' these in the first place.

Except that there is no grey area. Any normal country would have seized the opportunity after realizing what would happen. US is stealing Syrian oil for a decade now. Israel is grabbing Syrian land after annihilating every possible weapon in Syria with 2-3 days and there are chances they will aim for southern oil fields. This is how normal countries act. We came out of there empty-handed after spending 50 billion USD.

If I were Iran the costs of speeding up the collapse far outweighed the costs of taking these.

Iran did not cause the collapse nor was it in Iranian hands. Israel controlled it all using 50% western-owned Turkey. Netanyahu said Assad was playing with fire and in a week AlQaeda entered Syria. Was Iranian intelligence not seeing what was going to happen? Where was Esmael Ghaani, the clown who replaced General Soleimani? That guy is not even 1/4 of Legendary Soleimani.

Additionally, this would have been theft which is in fundamental contrast to Iranian behavior. Iran simply doesn’t do this stuff.

- Iran kept Iraqi aircrafts
- Syria owes Iran 40-50 Billion USD

 

[jauk]

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- Iran kept Iraqi aircrafts
- Syria owes Iran 40-50 Billion USD

- Iraq attacked Iran. Plus they themselves flew the aircraft to Iran
- Syria was a huge help to Iran during the Holy Defense. In comparison, Syria doesn't owe much to Iran. Especially considering the land connection she provided.

 

[ToddE]

- Iraq attacked Iran. Plus they themselves flew the aircraft to Iran

They entered Iran after under the table deal to let them in otherwise IRIAF's F-14 would have chewed them on borders. Iraqis did now flew some stupid Mirages, SU-22/24/25 on their into Iran. The same F-14 brought down 159 Iraqi fighters during war. Iran and Russia withdrew from Syria after cutting a deal. Why was AF not part of the deal considering how much money and lives Iran lost in Syria over the years saving Syrians from terrorist take over?

- Syria was a huge help to Iran during the Holy Defense. In comparison, Syria doesn't owe much to Iran. Especially considering the land connection she provided.

You do realize Iran entered Syria on Syrian government's request to fight terrorism. Countries do not recognize each other's individuals, they recognize governments. Syria the country still owes Iran 40-50 Billion USD even if its run by Turkish backed Al-Qaeda monkeys on the Israeli payroll now. I am sure Ayatollahs will not ask for it but like I said above any normal country would have done it. Iran in power in 90s kept Saddam's AF under the pretense that Iraq owed Iran money which was true.

 

[jauk]

They entered Iran after under the table deal to let them in otherwise IRIAF's F-14 would have chewed them on borders. Iraqis did now flew some stupid Mirages, SU-22/24/25 on their into Iran. The same F-14 brought down 159 Iraqi fighters during war. Iran and Russia withdrew from Syria after cutting a deal. Why was AF not part of the deal considering how much money and lives Iran lost in Syria over the years saving Syrians from terrorist take over?



You do realize Iran entered Syria on Syrian government's request to fight terrorism. Countries do not recognize each other's individuals, they recognize governments. Syria the country still owes Iran 40-50 Billion USD even if its run by Turkish backed Al-Qaeda monkeys on the Israeli payroll now. I am sure Ayatollahs will not ask for it but like I said above any normal country would have done it. Iran in power in 90s kept Saddam's AF under the pretense that Iraq owed Iran money which was true.

Obviously I'm right. And you're manifestly wrong. Just admit it.

 

[ToddE]

Obviously I'm right. And you're manifestly wrong. Just admit it.

You are left with nothing to say.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Let's not forget this Tweet

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[sahureka2]

I found the answer: the two AN-26B brands EP-SAJ and EP-SAK of ATlas Air, they are not "new" arrivals in Iran, but were previously operated by other Iranian airlines such as Saffat Aviation Service

https://www.jetphotos.com/registration/EP-SAK

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Atlas Air, in addition to presenting the AN-26B on the ground and in flight, also had a model of the AN-30 on its internal display stand, which suggests that this model is already available at Atlas Air or will be soon.