Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[PakFactor]

I still don't know how/why the unraveling of the Resistance happened so quickly. I don't think Hezbollah was defeated and if anything they were exacting some cost to Israel in Lebanon and keeping Israelis in disarray where even Tel Aviv was being targeted a little bit. The Gazans were still blowing up Israeli vehicles. Iran was supposed to launch its 'retaliatory strike'. I didn't even believe that Hezbollah would agree with the ceasefire, especially the terms like withdrawal to the Litani River. And then the biggest surprise was the rapid dismantling of the Assad regime--and that has basically stopped the conflict. Even seasoned analysts like Colonial Outcasts proved wrong when he downplayed the fall of Aleppo.
There is some kind of behind the scene deals: Assad's ouster, Iran pulling back, Syrian rebels giving almost a general amnesty, Trump's involvement via Jared Kushner. I will look up Chas Freeman who, to me, is the most reliable analyst to explain the recent major changes.

From my speaking with people with relatives in Lebanon in the area Hezbollah is known to operate in, they've been heavily penetrated, and it wasn't shown much on the news, but the Israelis were pounding them away through air strikes. Besides the occasional engagements and blowing up vehicles and tanks, not much damage was inflicted on Israel's manpower. Secondly, Israelis mostly went for higher grounds (hilltops), surveyed the area, established a grid map strategy, and pounded lower positions.

My gut feeling is the Israelis didn't penetrate Lebanon in a few months. They've had years and have slowly worked up their network since the 2006 conflict.

The Assad regime, I do feel there were behind-the-scenes talks. The fool was becoming a liability; his brutality did him in, too, but his leaving also destabilized Syria for the future.

 

[PakFactor]

This deal means Hamas won despite all the civilian casualties.

Hamas was not destructible.

How did you even come up with that conclusion?

 

[Musings]

What? Taiwan has literally been de facto independent since the nationalists lost the civil war in mainland China and left for Taiwan. It is the most propped up US ally anywhere outside of Israel and the main point of contention between China and the US and could become one of the main causes for WW3.

There is no such (remotely) example in Arabia let alone the entire Arab world.

It would be like if a part of an existing Arab nation became propped up (to insane levels) by an outside power and acted against the remaining Arab countries and moreover had territorial/rule claims. After all the Taiwanese leadership in a perfect world, claim to be the legitimate rulers of China and would love to rule a united China.

Fair enough, but by that logic (non-Han Chinese) the same could be said about the non-Han Chinese regions of China (Xinjiang, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria) that were never a part of the Chinese heartland yet make up most of the landmass.

China is unique in the sense that it was mostly unified for the past 2 millennia (with ups and downs, invasions and occupations nevertheless), while the Arab world became fragmented long ago.

But Arabs should no doubt use China as the example for what unification could potentially do and why it is beneficial.

I have always said that because this is undeniable.

Look at the topic and look at your post.
Would appreciate you staying on topic

 

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Hamas releases footage of its successful ambush operation in north Gaza that liquidated 3 IDF terrorists

 

[Meengla]

How did you even come up with that conclusion?

Right.
The events in Syria and Lebanon, more than anywhere else, have a direct impact on the conflict in Gaza and thus, at least in short term, Gazan resistance is all but winding down and it is Advantage Israel. Already the Resistance was fighting Israel, NATO and its Arab allies for more than year and with the northern front quieter, I fear it is only a matter of time for the Gazans. But who knows about the medium or longer term but guess is Israel will not find the peace it really needs.
PS. And also the events in Syria/Lebanon show that there should not have been so many different threads about the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East: They are all one and the same.

 

[Shawnee]

Israel said: we will destroy Hamas. Hamas will not rule Gaza.

Hamas has won the deal

 

[UKBengali]

Right.
The events in Syria and Lebanon, more than anywhere else, have a direct impact on the conflict in Gaza and thus, at least in short term, Gazan resistance is all but winding down and it is Advantage Israel. Already the Resistance was fighting Israel, NATO and its Arab allies for more than year and with the northern front quieter, I fear it is only a matter of time for the Gazans. But who knows about the medium or longer term but guess is Israel will not find the peace it really needs.
PS. And also the events in Syria/Lebanon show that there should not have been so many different threads about the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East: They are all one and the same.

It is not about what happens in "Core ME" but on the periphery like with Iran and Chinese on the other side of Asia.

For now the "Core ME" is totally(almost) under Zio-US domination. Hezbollah can put up some resistance but it is now weakened and has massive constraints put in place on it from the rest of Lebanon.

Iran and China will be the two countries that decide the fate of the ME - under Zio-US boot or move towards freedom and some peace/stability,

 

[Meengla]

It is not about what happens in "Core ME" but on the periphery like with Iran and Chinese on the other side of Asia.

For now the "Core ME" is totally(almost) under Zio-US domination. Hezbollah can put up some resistance but it is now weakened and has massive constraints put in place on it from the rest of Lebanon.

Iran and China will be the two countries that decide the fate of the ME - under Zio-US boot or move towards freedom and some peace/stability,

You keep bringing up the China factor. I think that's not going to be a factor any time soon. To be real 'player' requires taking risks, booting boots on the ground and naval assets, like the Americans have for decades, and taking actions like NATO forces have done to project power and protect Israel in this conflict. China is virtually almost zero in the Middle East and whatever little bit Russia had/has is being wrapped up as I write these lines. So, to be relevant to this thread, the Gazan and the Lebanon conflicts are over and soon to be over will be the Houthis involvement as well.
And I am not blaming China or Russia. They have major issues closer to their respective borders to worry about.

 

[UKBengali]

You keep bringing up the China factor. I think that's not going to be a factor any time soon. To be real 'player' requires taking risks, booting boots on the ground and naval assets, like the Americans have for decades, and taking actions like NATO forces have done to project power and protect Israel in this conflict. China is virtually almost zero in the Middle East and whatever little bit Russia had/has is being wrapped up as I write these lines. So, to be relevant to this thread, the Gazan and the Lebanon conflicts are over and soon to be over will be the Houthis involvement as well.
And I am not blaming China or Russia. They have major issues closer to their respective borders to worry about.

Yes as that is the only chance to free the ME from Zio-US boot.

Let's face it the resistance is finished for now and Iran will likely focus on surviving and rebuilding its national strength for the next 5-10 years at least.

And when did I say "anytime soon"?

They will probably only be a factor 10 years from now and that will create an "opening" for countries like Iran to get strong enough to challenge the Zio-US.

China is not going to fight in the ME as that is fundamental misunderstanding of the way China sees itself in the region.

You may want to see some of the exchanges between me and some of the Chinese posters(@tower9 ) in the "Syrian Civil War" thread to get an understanding of where China comes in and how critical it is in the future balance of power in the ME.

 

[Falcon29]

This is defeat for Hamas. They gained nothing on the ground. Though they did manage to bring recognition to their struggle and the Israeli cancer.

The Rafah crossing was given to the PA in past agreements many times before. Not just the Rafah crossing but also all the other commercial border crossings in previous reconcilation agreements.

Palestinains in Gaza are fighting for their existence. It shouldn't have been that way, but it is. Winning is surviving here. It's about the people and not Hamas. There is a lot to take into consideration. How will the people survive after a ceasefire and what extent of damage/atrocities will be uncovered.

One of the major reasons Israel is blocking a ceasefire to destroy evidence of atrocities and genocidal destruction it waged on Gaza where no media is allowed. Only a few journalists with phones are trying to capture the scene for us.

Israel will try to raze much of northern Gaza to the ground to make it appear like a flat road rather than a ruined city. International community is going to be very disturbed when all that is uncovered.

 

[Falcon29]

Israeli Jewish terrorists killed more of their prisoners, today:

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[Falcon29]

Israeli Jewish terrorists are now on a mission to kill all their 'hostages' before New Year. The goal is to say they don't need to talk ceasefire because there are no 'hostages'. With the objective of continuing the war on Gaza.

To prevent international media and organizations from uncovering a long list of war crimes and atrocities the like we haven't seen before. That will haunt Israel for decades to come.

 

[StormOfTruth]

The major operations carried out by the Palestinian resistance groups on Friday, December 13, are as follows:

Al-Qassam Brigades' operations :

• Targeted a gathering of Israeli forces that penetrated the post office area in Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip, with a barrage of heavy mortar shells.
• Downed and seized control of an Israeli military "quadcopter" aircraft while it was carrying out spying missions in the Al-Janina neighborhood east of Rafah city in the southern Gaza Strip.

Al-Quds Brigades' operations:

• Fighters in the Silat Al-Harithiya Company rained a heavy shower of bullets on the Israeli military arsenal at the Salem military checkpoint in the city of Jenin, occupied West Bank.
• Confronted Israeli forces while they stormed Balata camp in the city of Nablus, occupied West Bank, and targeted their military vehicles with bullets and explosive devices.
• Fighters in the Balata Company targeted Israeli infantry force with an anti-personnel explosive device and bullets in the city of Nablus, occupied West Bank.
• Fighters in the Balata Company in the Amouri axis targeted an Israeli military vehicle with an explosive device in the city of Nablus, occupied West Bank.
• Targeted Ashkelon and the Gaza envelope settlements with a barrage of rockets.
• Targeted Israeli soldiers and their military vehicles that penetrated the Al-Janina neighborhood east of southern Gaza's Rafah city with mortar fire and 107mm rockets.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades' operations:

• Fighters in the Al-Amoudi Brigade carried out a shooting attack at the “Bakaot” settlement in Tubas, occupied West Bank.

Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades' operations:

• Targeted a position of Israeli forces in “Tel Zaroub” west of the city of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip with a missile salvo.

 

[Shawnee]

Israel said: we will destroy Hamas. Hamas will not rule Gaza.

Hamas has won the deal

Hamas could exhaust Israel army through small attacks despite high kill ratio.

Pressure from humane societies also helped.

 

[Falcon29]

Right.
The events in Syria and Lebanon, more than anywhere else, have a direct impact on the conflict in Gaza and thus, at least in short term

Disagree, they do not. Egypt's position of refusing to allow any expulsion of Palestinians into Egypt has the most direct impact on the conflict in Gaza.