Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[UKBengali]

Ok so you are agreeing with me.

Putin wasn't some diehard "fighting the anti zionist fight". Which was my point. Russia is not in Syria to fight the zionists. They were bloddy brokering and the go between Assad and Israel to cut Iran out the picture.

Iran is Anti Zionist, Russia is not. lol

All that matters is that Russia was the most important backer of the Assad regime - even more than Iran.

It would be no exaggeration to say he may not have survived if it was not for Putin's air support from 2015 onwards.

Things were changing in the last 1-2 years as Iran was supplying much better air defence systems than Russia and was a far more generous economic backer in terms of oil on credit.

The Zionists would have preferred that Russia was not in Syria to start off with.

 

[hyperman]

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Interesting Play by Joulani. lol

 

[KingQamaR]

Yep during these 13 years of sanctions, all his nest eggs in the west were taken, so he took as much wealth left in Syria and transferred it to Moscow.

The Money from Captagon sales? All in Moscow. lol

Billionaire retirement in Moscow after destroying Syria. lol, atleast he won't be able to travel anywhere in Europe or similar again.

Maybe some trips to the UAE/Dubai, and China/Shanghai and south east Asia(but gotto be careful its a friendly country which won't help the US arrest you for their own propaganda), but thats it. No Holiday in the south of France, No Mediterranean vacation in Greece, no Skiiing in the Alps.

A tale as old as time brother! Despots bleeding their country dry.He has billions in overseas accounts . In USD or Euros . Did you see news reports on ASSADS car collection that money could feed a family thousands of Syrians for decades he chose to buy cars to think we got people on here defending this monster. Unbelievable!

 

[hyperman]

All that matters is that Russia was the most important backer of the Assad regime - even more than Iran.

It would be no exaggeration to say he may not have survived if it was not for Putin's air support from 2015 onwards.

Things were changing in the last 1-2 years as Iran was supplying much better air defence systems than Russia and was a far more generous economic backer in terms of oil on credit.

The Zionists would have preferred that Russia was not in Syria to start off with.

OMG bro, what is with this guy. lol

Russia Russis Russia. lol

Russia isn't anti zionist bro, you would pick Russia over Iran in the "Anti Zionist" element??

Israel told Assad Russia was ok, he needed to get rid of Iran and Hezbollah

That was the deal being brokered by the UAE with the US and Israeli blessing. lol

Russia itself wanted Iran out, Russia saw Iran as a competitor of influence towards the end, not as some sort of ride or die partner. Russians were in charge of inspecting all things crossing into Syria and the bases to ensure no Iranian stuff of significance was going to Hezbollah and to keep a track of what was, lol read the bloody documents. smh

its one of the reasons the Iranians and Russians had disagreements with the negotiations with Turkey, Turkey wanted the return of Refugees, Iran told Assad to Accept, Assad didn't want to accept, and Russia backed him on that, instead of backing Iran to apply the pressure, so talks broke down in Iraq, which was the mediator.

That was the trigger for the offensive from the Turkish perspective. This guy refused to deal with the refugee returning issue(he didn't want them back, the overwhelming amount of people he drove out were sunnis and they were in opposition to him), and was throwing around Russia's weight(which as we saw was hollow underneath after the aggressive strains from the Ukraine war)

 

[KingQamaR]

All that matters is that Russia was the most important backer of the Assad regime - even more than Iran.

It would be no exaggeration to say he may not have survived if it was not for Putin's air support from 2015 onwards.

Things were changing in the last 1-2 years as Iran was supplying much better air defence systems than Russia and was a far more generous economic backer in terms of oil on credit.

The Zionists would have preferred that Russia was not in Syria to start off with.

Not surprising for anyone who’s followed governments propped up by foreign powers and militaries not based on meritocracy , Most tyrannical militaries are corrupt and only trained on subjugating unarmed civilians, assad army was only good for one thing only mowing down unarmed civilians , and/or marching parades.

 

[hyperman]

A tale as old as time brother! Despots bleeding their country dry.He has billions in overseas accounts . In USD or Euros . Did you see news reports on ASSADS car collection that money could feed a family thousands of Syrians for decades he chose to buy cars to think we got people on here defending this monster. Unbelievable!

You don't understand bruv, those children need to starve.

ItS AlL FoR PaLeSTiNe BrUv!!! MUH RESISTAAAANCCEEE BruV

Assad Fi Sabilillah!! Just Trust Me Bruvv(audhubillah)

 

[tower9]

Ok so you are agreeing with me.

Putin wasn't some diehard "fighting the anti zionist fight". Which was my point. Russia is not in Syria to fight the zionists. They were bloddy brokering and the go between Assad and Israel to cut Iran out the picture.

Iran is Anti Zionist, Russia is not. lol

Russia isn’t anti Zionist but it helps anti Zionists.

Turkey is anti Zionist but helps Zionists.

I care more about results than rhetoric.

 

[Tamerlane]

Russia has a more brutal history of killing Muslims over a much longer period of time than America. They occupied Muslim lands, including Central Asian countries, committed genocide of people like Circassians, and almost totally destroyed Islam in those places. To this day former Soviet territories have Muslims that practice religion the least, including countries like Kazakhstan, Albania etc.

Apart from their historical enmity with Islam even today Islam is repressed in Russia. In Moscow with over 1 million Muslims they have allowed only 4 mosques.

The above is apart from Putin’s close relations with Israel and Jewish Russian oligarchs.

For some people to imagine Russia as some kind of great white crusading knight in shining armor that will come to save Muslims is an ignorant joke.

 

[KingQamaR]

Assad could have funded a better army if he had sold a couple of his expensive cars

 

[hyperman]

Russia isn’t anti Zionist but it helps anti Zionists.

Turkey is anti Zionist but helps Zionists.

I care more about results than rhetoric.

It doesn't help shit, it helps Zionists and it Helps Anti Zionists, b/c ultimately what matter is Russia.

Turkey is not helping zionist, this thesis is weak AF especially when you see the hostility towards Turkey in Israeli/Zionist OPeds and Zionist think tanks. And you see the zionists trying to establish the PKK as a Partner or Giving Weapons to the Greeks.

Don't read Turkey's vestigial role in NATO or some BS over Azeri oil transit as some sort of meaning that its a help to Zionists in any significant way. lol, thats a bad reading of the politics of the middle east and very much surface level analysis.

 

[tower9]

It doesn't help shit, it helps Zionists and it Helps Anti Zionists, b/c ultimately what matter is Russia.

Turkey is not helping zionist, this thesis is weak AF especially when you see the hostility towards Turkey in Israeli/Zionist OPeds and Zionist think tanks. And you see the zionists trying to establish the PKK as a Partner or Giving Weapons to the Greeks.

Don't read Turkey's vestigial role in NATO or some BS over Azeri oil transit as some sort of meaning that its a help to Zionists in any significant way. lol, thats a bad reading of the politics of the middle east and very much surface level analysis.

Ok believe what you want. The actual facts say otherwise.

 

[tower9]

OMG bro, what is with this guy. lol

Russia Russis Russia. lol

Russia isn't anti zionist bro, you would pick Russia over Iran in the "Anti Zionist" element??

Israel told Assad Russia was ok, he needed to get rid of Iran and Hezbollah

That was the deal being brokered by the UAE with the US and Israeli blessing. lol

Russia itself wanted Iran out, Russia saw Iran as a competitor of influence towards the end, not as some sort of ride or die partner. Russians were in charge of inspecting all things crossing into Syria and the bases to ensure no Iranian stuff of significance was going to Hezbollah and to keep a track of what was, lol read the bloody documents. smh

its one of the reasons the Iranians and Russians had disagreements with the negotiations with Turkey, Turkey wanted the return of Refugees, Iran told Assad to Accept, Assad didn't want to accept, and Russia backed him on that, instead of backing Iran to apply the pressure, so talks broke down in Iraq, which was the mediator.

That was the trigger for the offensive from the Turkish perspective. This guy refused to deal with the refugee returning issue(he didn't want them back, the overwhelming amount of people he drove out were sunnis and they were in opposition to him), and was throwing around Russia's weight(which as we saw was hollow underneath after the aggressive strains from the Ukraine war)

True. But historical Russia and modern Russia are different. What matters most are interests. Today Russias interests overlap with the anti Zionist resistance and that is why Russia helps the resistance.

Honestly I have more trust in a former enemy whose existence is aligned with my interests vs a friend whose interests are against mine. There is more trust when you understand someone is working for their own self
Interest and it is aligned with you. If I was aligned with a friend who would profit by betraying me, I would be watching my back.

 

[hyperman]

Ok believe what you want. The actual facts say otherwise.

Aah yes the Chinese Man know more about the region, the people and the langage and subculture and the minutia of the political dynamics of the neighborhood. lol

 

[tower9]

Aah yes the Chinese Man know more about the region, the people and the langage and subculture and the minutia of the political dynamics of the neighborhood. lol

You’re in denial. Turkey rescued israel and continues to supply it with gas. Turkey does nothing to hurt Israel’s interests while it has basically rescued Israel when it was on its back foot.

The fact that israel may clash with Turkey in Syria would only be proof that Erdogan is a fucking idiot, nothing else.

 

[hyperman]

You’re in denial. Turkey rescued israel and continues to supply it with gas. Turkey does nothing to hurt Israel’s interests while it has basically rescued Israel when it was on its back foot.

The fact that israel may clash with Turkey in Syria would only be proof that Erdogan is a fucking idiot, nothing else.

You believe what you need to believe, I have more familiarity with the region than you do.

I don't go around lecturing the Chinese on inter stait dynamics and Hong Kong, b/c I don't follow it as intensely and have as much familiarity with it as someone deeply in touch with the region.

I understand my limitations on certain matters but you for some reason don't understand yours.

You would have no idea as to what party in turkey believes what and where they align and where they differ, and what the voter base and demographics of each party is, from their socioeconomic background, from their religious background, to whether its urban or rural, and how it shapes its regional geopolitical outlook.

So please stay in your lane. I don't have this intricate knowledge about the intricacies regarding China and its neighborhood, and you don't have this regarding Turkey.

That news you read about the supply from the pipeline is Oil btw, not gas, FYI. Its Azeri Oil. I wrote a post about the dynamics surrounding that in the Turkish thread.