mb444
Registered Member
There are not enough Indian Americans to make any difference.
Indians being empowered in US… no we will have to agree to disagree.
Bangladesh Air Force
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Indians being empowered in US… no we will have to agree to disagree.
Michael Corleone
Elite Member
Thank you for enlightening me about this.
Michael Corleone
Elite Member
I really wish we could have had some cadets trained from RAF and PAF so that they could then teach everything that’s different to the rest
UKBengali
Elite Member
We are not talking about here and now but getting them from maybe 2029 and then building the fleet over the next 10 years.
Yes BD needs to spend many 10s of billions of US dollars to build a 5th generation fleet(+ associated infrastructure) around J-35A and maybe KAAN as well. but that is more than affordable for an economy that may hit 1 trillion US dollars by 2030. It could then double 10 years after that.
Talk about building a a new fighter force around 4th generation fighters is a little silly as no country as rich and has similar needs to BD would do the same. You are buying yesterday's fighter for today's and tomorrow's needs.
Aircraft like JF-17 Block 3, J-10CE or Eurocanards are simply not able to adequately deter and if need be fight against the IAF. With MAF a decent SAM(mainly MRSAM with some LRSAM) network would probably suffice as they will always be poor and impoverished due to the constant warring between the ethnic groups and Barmans.
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Avicenna
Trusted Member
Michael Corleone
Elite Member
Hannan? I’m really not sure. That dude was pure political appointment. Sherniabaat before him was mig 29 pilot and so was Esrar if I remember correctly.
Michael
VIP Member
Bangladesh's economy in 2023 totaled $438.7 billion. I don't know how it can reach 1 trillion dollars in 2030. High economic growth in any country is inevitably the result of both domestic and international factors. If we start this topic, we will seriously deviate from the subject of this thread. So I'm not going to start discussing it.
The price of the J-35 (export version) is assessed to be in the region of $100 million based on relevant information. The exact price will need to be reassessed based on the subsystems selected by the customer, and we have tentatively calculated it at $100 million per unit.
The combined cost ratio of the F-35 is about 3:7, i.e., the purchase price is about 30% of the total F-35 life cycle expenditure. We do not know the combined cost ratio for the J-35, so for the time being, we calculate it as 4:6, i.e., the maintenance cost is 1.5 times the purchase price of the aircraft. ------ Note: There are disparities in training/use frequency, maintenance capabilities, etc. between countries, and the cost of using the same piece of equipment in different countries is not consistent. Here is just an assessment.
Let's move on to review the systems BAF already has in place.
1, Does BAF have a high speed military data link?
2, Does BAF have enough and sufficiently advanced ground radar stations and communication base stations?
3, Does Bangladesh possess military satellite reconnaissance and communication systems?
4, Does BAF have advanced early warning aircraft and tactical command centers?
5.Do all the weapons (warships, missiles, fighter jets, ground vehicles ......) available to BAF Are they connected to the same tactical command system?
When the US sells F-35s, the purchasing country does not really own the F-35s. these F-35s are still supported using US military systems, and they are still commanded and controlled by the US military. These countries only have a license to use them, not own them.
When China sells the J-35, it is not going to make the PLA support systems available to other countries (China has no interest in controlling other countries' militaries). The country that buys the J-35 will either have to build the support system themselves (they can buy an export version from China) or remove some of the J-35's functions themselves.
Taken together, you can assess the amount of money required for BAF to equip the J-35. And then, how much money is the total defense budget of Bangladesh? And how much money is allocated to BAF? And the funds allocated to BAF also include the cost of existing personnel and equipment, how much is left for J-35?
Bangladesh's total defense budget for 2023 is $3.9 billion. Even if all of it is spent on the complete J-35 program, it won't be enough ......
mb444
Registered Member
BAF is not ready for 5th gen fighter economically or technically.
The best we can do is buy J10 or some form of 4th gen western jet.
BD needs to think out of the box and look around to see how other countries have reacted to scenarios such as us.
Bds defense must surely lie in drones and missiles is huge numbers.
Jets are fairly useless in future war scenario from BD perspective. I can not see why we need them. For the price of one jet we can deploy 100s of drone that sure are not as fast but can saturate BD skys offering layered defense.
These can within moments also be deployed in offensive capacity.
alphapak
Trusted Member
4.5 gen jets will be used for along time, Even USA and China use 4th gen jets.
BAF should go for the J10c and that will be a stepping stone for the j35 in the
future.
Even India does not any 5th gen fighter yet.
Michael
VIP Member
Frankly, I don't think it makes much real-world sense for the BAF to buy either the J-10CE or the F-16V, or even the J-35 or the F-35.
BAF buying them will at best boost some national morale, but it will add to regional tensions. Analyzed in terms of operational significance, these advanced fighters do not pose a sufficient threat to Bangladesh's imaginary enemies.
I tried to analyze “My Thoughts on the Future Development of BAF” with Chinese military theory.
以柔克刚，以弱胜强，以静制动，后发先至，借力打力，四两拨千斤。
This is a Chinese term for Taijiquan. It is widely used in various strategic tactics of the Chinese. When it is difficult to win a frontal and direct war, strategic tactics based on the theory of this phrase come into play. Unfortunately, this phrase is an ancient Chinese saying, and it is difficult for translation software to accurately translate it. This is the result of the translation by the translation software, and I'm not sure if it expresses the meaning of this sentence correctly.
Use softness to overcome strength, use weakness to defeat strength, use static braking, start from behind first, use force to strike, and pull a thousand pounds with four or two strokes.
Based on this theory, I make some analysis on the future(within 20 years) development of BAF.
10-16x 4th/4.5th Gen Medium Fighter Aircraft (J-10CE/F-16V/other)
20-30x 4th/4.5th Gen Light Fighter Aircraft (JF-17B3/other)
10-20x Combat Trainer aircraft (L-15/other)
2x 3th Gen AWACS
2x Advanced UAV squadrons (Wing Loong UAV Series/Rainbow UAV Series/other UAV)
4x Upgrade Modification UAV squadrons (BAF Existing F-6/F-7 Upgrade Modification to UAV)
3-6x Air Defense Battalion (1-2x core area air defence battalions; 2-4x mobile air defence battalions)
Modest ground handling, repair, maintenance and other auxiliary forces.
Based on a combination of factors such as Bangladesh's geographic location, political environment, and economic capacity, I believe that BAF should be favored:
Building smaller but very advanced UAV combat systems and try to reduce the size of manned fighter force.
Basic strategy: not to seek victory in large-scale wars, but only to seek decisive advantages in small-scale localized wars/conflicts.
Indos
INT'L MOD
BD still needs good fighter for patrol. You cannot make a plane landed by only using drone.
Ya, BD has deficiency in the matter of its potential enimity from India or Myanmar that is pretty close to BD (land border and BD is actually a small land country), but I doubt real war will happen with these two countries, the fighters though will be needed to give what we call as "present" in the BD sky
Later with BD economy growing, BD can improve its defensive layers to protect the critical infrastructure within the country, including the airforce base
Any way as BD is not a large country like Indonesia, so the investment for SAM missiles or rapid fire weapon like Skyshield will not be as much as country that has large territory. Just example is Israel of course. Here we are talking about long term, as for short and medium term I doubt BD will have any total war with either India and Myanmar.
Ya, BD has deficiency in the matter of its potential enimity from India or Myanmar that is pretty close to BD (land border and BD is actually a small land country), but I doubt real war will happen with these two countries, the fighters though will be needed to give what we call as "present" in the BD sky
Later with BD economy growing, BD can improve its defensive layers to protect the critical infrastructure within the country, including the airforce base
Any way as BD is not a large country like Indonesia, so the investment for SAM missiles or rapid fire weapon like Skyshield will not be as much as country that has large territory. Just example is Israel of course. Here we are talking about long term, as for short and medium term I doubt BD will have any total war with either India and Myanmar.
Michael
VIP Member
Oh, you seem to have misunderstood me.
I didn't mean eliminating manned fighters altogether, but rather compressing it. And not “only using drone”, but expanding it.
1. Based on Bangladesh's characteristics, UAVs can result in significant savings in the defense budget. It is not just about lower procurement costs, but also about operation and maintenance costs and personnel costs.
2.When war/conflict occurs, once a manned fighter jet is shot down, both the aircraft and the pilot are disabled. Even if fighter jets are procured urgently, there are not enough pilots available.UAV can be put into service immediately after urgent procurement if it is shot down.
3, Bangladesh has a small airspace, from Dhaka to any part of the country is within 400KM. it is difficult to fully utilize the performance of 4+th Gen fighters. it is sufficient for BAF to keep a small number of manned fighters, and a lot of the tasks can be left to UAVs to do.
4. While purchasing a large number of UAVs, BAF should improve its C4ISR construction so that it can purchase 5th Gen fighters in the future when economic conditions permit.
I also think that BD really isn't capable of total war. It's military buildup is focused on responding to security wars and localized conflicts.
UKBengali
Elite Member
Are you aware that BD has 50% larger GDP than Pakistan?
Also over the last 2-3 yeers defence spending on GDP has dropped from a long term average of 1.3-1.4% to just under 1%. This situation was an extreme measure for hard economic times and won't be around forever.
The earliest BAF can put in a purchase for new fighters will most probably be 2027/2028.
Michael
VIP Member
First, there are two important factors in Pakistan's military procurement.
1. Pakistan has other mystery funds behind it, it is not entirely dependent on its own economy.
2, based on China-Pakistan relations, Pakistan has special treatment (very low prices and the provision of oversized installments) when purchasing military equipment from China.
Bangladesh does not have these conditions. Or rather, the conditions Bangladesh gets are not comparable to those Pakistan gets. ------PAF buys 20 J-10CEs and a large number of supporting weapons, spare parts and training services for CNY12.8 billion (CNY10.1 billion Chinese loan). Its unit price is basically the same as PLAAF's purchase of J-10C. It is safe to assume that BAF cannot buy the same J-10CE on these terms.
Secondly, Bangladesh will have some uplift in its future economic development, but the scope for uplift is very limited.
1. Bangladesh suffers from a severe lack of infrastructure. Improvement of these environments will require huge investments and will take many years before the first results can be seen.
2. Bangladeshis are politically diverse and unstable. It is difficult for the domestic political spokesmen of various foreign powers to agree on major issues. Therefore, in the coming decades, the political struggle in Bangladesh will not stop, and domestic riots will occur periodically and often. But large-scale riots will be hard to come by.
BAF will definitely have some new changes in the future. But we won't be overly optimistic in assessing those changes.
Michael Corleone
Elite Member
Are you talking about military infrastructure to support new jets? We’ve placed them over the years to be ready for new purchases but otherwise yeah after reading your post I’m not that optimistic. Bd can’t just drop 2 billion on 16 jets like it’s peanuts.
