Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[hussain0216]

Hamas has been torn down. Their attacks now are at best ineffective. All the while israel continues to whittle them down.

Israel not only killed their military leader but killed their political leader in the heart of Tehran amidst Iranian VIP security, showing Israeli reach.

Hezbollah has taken catastrophic beating with their iconic leaders exterminated. And the actual collapse of Assad.

I believe you and other folks have drawn very different conclusions on what has happened in the middle east. In my and many analysts view, Israel has absolutely crushed everyone militaily and come out on top. But they have battered their image globally through targeting civilians.

Hamas is a resistance organisation, as long as their is occupation their will be resistance

The long term threat for Israel isn't Hamas or Hezbollah, which are irregular militia at best, and even then it took Israel getting tens of billions from the U.S and others to keep Israel afloat, and thousands of flights to keep Israel armed

This is because Israel is a tiny state with no depth and no ability to defend itself against a middle east that hates it

When you have a enemy like this, it's just rounds and rounds and rounds of attack until you can grind your enemy down and that's what will happen to Israel

A Palestinian population that is much younger then the Jews that's will keep growing and expanding, a middle east that despised the Jews and a Jew population growing older whilst the useless haredi and orthodox population expands



As you say the Jews and Israeli will face long term consequences for this

It's not a matter of if , it's a matter of when Israel will fall

 

[UKBengali]

Sadly, I agree with you on all these things. I have repeatedly said that the Muslim common people will remember but lives will go on. I hope @UKBengali was right that there would be tangible consequences for Israel when the dust settles but I don't see that happening. People are people and lives have to be lived. It is a sad reality.

This will be "remembered" with ICC arrest warrants and the almost certain ICJ judgement to come in 1-2 years that there was/is a genocide committed in Gaza.

Don't get this "lives must be lived" point as for nearly the whole world it costs almost nothing to boycott the settler entity.

7-8 million Zionist settlers do not contribute anything but an insignificant amount to say tourism in countries like Thailand.

 

[Meengla]

When you have a enemy like this, it's just rounds and rounds and rounds of attack until you can grind your enemy down and that's what will happen to Israel

Who is going to fight Israel? Up until the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Israel was secure and prosperous, having beaten the Arab militaries twice (1967, 1973). But with the Iranian Revolution, a potent ideological rival was born which grew militarily powerful. That has been just given a major setback, at least for short term.
IMO, unless the new forces in Syria are real 'Jihadis' as they are being called, there is no major threat to Israel right now. Yemenis are willing to die for Palestine but they are too distant.
If there is any sense of unity and purpose in the Muslim world, they shouldn't rest and let Israel rest and replenish: Continue the War of Attrition as it was happening until recently.

 

[Meengla]

This will be "remembered" with ICC arrest warrants and the almost certain ICJ judgement to come in 1-2 years that there was/is a genocide committed in Gaza.
Don't get this "lives must be lived" point as for nearly the whole world it costs almost nothing to boycott the settler entity.
7-8 million Zionist settlers do not contribute anything but an insignificant amount to say tourism in countries like Thailand.

ICC/ICJ arrest warrants are only against very few people and even if fully implemented by the world, the culprits would be content to just fly to America and back. They know where the real power lies.
And, yes, the Muslim world will remember but to the larger world, if/when a situation of no-conflict arises again in the Middle East, the world will move on. Many more people were killed due to the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 but the world moved on! It was an illegal war started by America to appease its Israeli masters with horrific consequences for the region but the world moved on!!

 

[UKBengali]

ICC/ICJ arrest warrants are only against very few people and even if fully implemented by the world, the culprits would be content to just fly to America and back. They know where the real power lies.
And, yes, the Muslim world will remember but to the larger world, if/when a situation of no-conflict arises again in the Middle East, the world will move on. Many more people were killed due to the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 but the world moved on! It was an illegal war started by America to appease its Israeli masters with horrific consequences for the region but the world moved on!!

Most of the deaths in Iraq were due to the civil war and not due to US trying to genocide the Iraqis.

And boycotting the entity is a lot easier than boycotting the US!

There won't be any "moving on" from this. It is too great a crime. Zionist entity is now a pariah and this will remain so, whether they have won this round or not against the resistance.

 

[agidest]

Sadly, you are right. But I wouldn't credit 'Israel' too much for the recent gains: It is NATO + Israel + Turkey + Muslim infighting + some Arab countries combined who have one way or another way enabled this outcome. I don't think Israel would have gained this much upper hand only if America had stayed neutral--merely neutral.
Anyone gives Israel too much credit is deluded.

Credit where credit is due. Israel knew its limitations and built the kind of relations with the US.

The same arguments can be applied elsewhere. Hamas and Hezbollah and Assad were nothing without Iran supporting them. Do you think they could have posed even a fraction of the threat they did for over a decade without Iranian financial, logistical and military support?

What is good for the goose...

 

[Meengla]

Most of the deaths in Iraq were due to the civil war and not due to US trying to genocide the Iraqis.

Wow! You have just basically absolved the Americans and the Israelis for the historic carnage of the Iraq War 2003! Astounding level you go to in your trying to prove your 'point' and that has been a pattern in all of your posts! Do I need to tell you that if the illegal invasion of Iraq not happened in 2003 then the 'civil war' with the resulting historic carnage wouldn't have happened? Iraq was once a fairly prosperous country but was destroyed! I am almost done with my exchanges with you because I see a repeated pattern which is delusional and argumentative for the sake of arguments.
You mean well for the Palestinians as do most PDF members in this thread but there are limits to reading delusional posts.
Sadly, I am going to put you on my Ignore list. Please feel free to return the favor!

Credit where credit is due. Israel knew its limitations and built the kind of relations with the US.
The same arguments can be applied elsewhere. Hamas and Hezbollah and Assad were nothing without Iran supporting them. Do you think they could have posed even a fraction of the threat they did for over a decade without Iranian financial, logistical and military support?
What is good for the goose...

Fair argument but then Hamas/Hezbollah are not the self-proclaimed best military in the Middle East and Iran is not even half as powerful militarily or economically as America. The Goose Gander analogy doesn't apply a lot here.

 

[UKBengali]

Wow! You have just basically absolved the Americans and the Israelis for the historic carnage of the Iraq War 2003! Astounding level you go to in your trying to prove your 'point' and that has been a pattern in all of your posts! Do I need to tell you that if the illegal invasion of Iraq not happened in 2003 then the 'civil war' with the resulting historic carnage wouldn't have happened? Iraq was once a fairly prosperous country but was destroyed! I am almost done with my exchanges with you because I see a repeated pattern which is delusional and argumentative for the sake of arguments.
You mean well for the Palestinians as do most PDF members in this thread but there are limits to reading delusional posts.
Sadly, I am going to put you on my Ignore list. Please feel free to return the favor!

Fair play.

Your arguments are ridiculous anyway and I have noticed you are a bit of a "stuck in the mud" and that post of yours proves how petty and immature you really.

Man in his 60s. Tsk, tsk.

 

[That_Guy]

Hamas has been torn down. Their attacks now are at best ineffective. All the while israel continues to whittle them down.

Hamas's level of attacks has not decreased, and it continues to inflict casualties.

Israel not only killed their military leader but killed their political leader in the heart of Tehran amidst Iranian VIP security, showing Israeli reach.

And? Hamas's leaders have been killed through out its creation.

Why does no one seem to understand how militant organizations work. It's top leadership has already been replaced.

Hezbollah has taken catastrophic beating with their iconic leaders exterminated. And the actual collapse of Assad.

Again, their entire leadership, including nasrallah has been replaced. They forced Israel into an unwinnable situation and retreat.
bassad's collapse is a short term set back.

I believe you and other folks have drawn very different conclusions on what has happened in the middle east. In my and many analysts view, Israel has absolutely crushed everyone militaily and come out on top. But they have battered their image globally through targeting civilians.

So why is the Israeli military still having to launch major operations into areas they keep claiming they've cleared?

Why did Israel sign a ceasefire in Lebanon?

Your analysis and those of other analysts that support this view is absolutely misguided.

They're the same people who said that Ukraine would fall in 3 days, or that the Taliban would never win, or that Iraq would welcome the US with open arms.

 

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