Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Garcia Sea]

Both Lebanon and Syria were easily destroyed by surprise.
Suleimani was also killed in a sudden attack with no warning.
And I believe that there is more than a 50% chance that Raisi was also assassinated by Israel.
It is time for Iranians to learn the ways of Israel and the US.
They are always planning a surprise attack on a much larger scale than you can imagine, under the pretense of negotiations.

 

[Immortals]

Both Lebanon and Syria were easily destroyed by surprise.
Suleimani was also killed in a sudden attack with no warning.
And I believe that there is more than a 50% chance that Raisi was also assassinated by Israel.
It is time for Iranians to learn the ways of Israel and the US.
They are always planning a surprise attack on a much larger scale than you can imagine, under the pretense of negotiations.

You know what the vast majority of Iranian leadership care most about?

Staying in power

The ones that care about resistance this or struggle against Israel or struggle as America died in the Iran-Iraq war, died in careless accidents, died in assassinations (both internal and to Israel/Us), died in Syria, died in Lebanon, died in Yemen, died in Iraq, etc.

Who remains? The people who only care about greed, money, and power.

 

[925boy]

Taliban was using ultra-low tech: suicide bombers and IEDs because Afghan and NATO troops were on ground. Houthis are using ballistic missiles since Israel is 2000 KM away. If Israel can systematically take out missile facilities, it will be much harder for Houthis. Ballistic missiles are much harder than suicide bombers and IEDs to hide.

You think Israel destroying houthi civilian infrastructure =Israel wining and houthis losing the war? Nope! Damaging infrastructure does not mean winning a war for Israel or deterring the houthis. Anything short of ground war guarantees houthis survive and claim a war win over more tech advanced adversaries. Israel cannot take out any missiles sites effectively becsuse logistically its too hard-yemen is too far so Israeli jets carry little payload, and have to fly too far risking getting shot, plus the jets will get worn out quicker from such trips. Houthis still disrupt small Israel effectively, that ls why Israel bombed them. Even US tried to hurt houthis for Israel and is failing.

 

[SolarWarden]

TP3 going to happen soon?

 

[EugeneP]

You think Israel destroying houthi civilian infrastructure =Israel wining and houthis losing the war? Nope! Damaging infrastructure does not mean winning a war for Israel or deterring the houthis. Anything short of ground war guarantees houthis survive and claim a war win over more tech advanced adversaries. Israel cannot take out any missiles sites effectively becsuse logistically its too hard-yemen is too far so Israeli jets carry little payload, and have to fly too far risking getting shot, plus the jets will get worn out quicker from such trips. Houthis still disrupt small Israel effectively, that ls why Israel bombed them. Even US tried to hurt houthis for Israel and is failing.

I have not been following Israel's strategy in Yemen (and even if I do, I may not understand it well), but my guess is, if they take out infrastructure like airports, ports, power plants etc., it becomes much harder to transport and service missiles. For example, the missiles have to move on some type of transport. If you take out petroleum sources, how can they move them around? The reason you did not see Houthis being routed till now, I think, was because Israel considered Hamas and Hezbollah to be jobs #1 and 2. If that is getting finished, they can put more resources on Houthis and solve the problem. It may also be true that till now they have relied on missile defense to protect themselves from Houth missiles and hence taking them out was a lower priority. If BMD is working well, why risk long distance bombing runs by IAF?

 

[mulj]

Whaaat?

The west had 40+ years to knock out Iran and they didn't and couldn't, but they need to first knock the Yemeni houthis out today to succesfully knock Iran out?
Do you hear this backward logic?? Damn bro, what happened to your posts? You usually post good posts but you're posts these days are not it.

I am just trying to be realistic per conditions on field and ongoing events. Jews/west are on offensive unhinged and achieving all their goals meanwhile Iran is receiving blow after blow or more specifically their allies, that is what happened.

 

[SolarWarden]

Oh crap not Soleimani!!

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Israel better be careful now.

 

[StrategicBear]

Taliban was using ultra-low tech: suicide bombers and IEDs because Afghan and NATO troops were on ground. Houthis are using ballistic missiles since Israel is 2000 KM away. If Israel can systematically take out missile facilities, it will be much harder for Houthis. Ballistic missiles are much harder than suicide bombers and IEDs to hide.

Ballistic missiles are also easier to make than fighter jets.

And Yemen has lots of unknown underground facilities they can make those missiles; the B-2 bomber that destroyed one of those sites previously might be 1 in 50 of such sites.

So it stands that Yemen might have production capabilities to make 50 missiles a month. Which is reflected in their current ability to fire 1-2 missiles a day at Israel.

Note that all these numbers are just my estimates and are not facts, so take it for what it's worth.

 

[Persian Gulf]

evidence of Israeli "Rampage" ALBM having incredibly low CEP (<5m):

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[vmro]

Egypt and Jordan fought real wars. Real conventional large scale wars. Arabs don't engage in proxy warfare and/or asymmetric warfare type. They won't go in with military force unless it's for the real deal and to achieve a strategic objective.

lol, those wars are paradigma of arabian incapability...Those wars serve as a clear example of the strategic failures in the Arab world. It might have been wiser for them to surrender without engaging in conflict, as this could have opened up space for interpretation and reflection on the reasoning behind such a decision—creating confusion and uncertainty instead of further confrontation.


In the aftermath of those wars, Israel has gathered enough evidence to view itself as an unbeatable force, and rightfully so. To be clear, Egypt was once a regional powerhouse—but that was in the past. Tnx to Israel...

 

[UKBengali]

evidence of Israeli "Rampage" ALBM having incredibly low CEP (<5m):

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Well they probably fired that missile from something like 200km away as Houthis cannot intercept from that distance.

Iranian SRBMs also have something like <5m CEP as shown by Iranian 2020 attack on US base in Iraq.

 

[Falcon29]

lol, those wars are paradigma of arabian incapability...Those wars serve as a clear example of the strategic failures in the Arab world. It might have been wiser for them to surrender without engaging in conflict, as this could have opened up space for interpretation and reflection on the reasoning behind such a decision—creating confusion and uncertainty instead of further confrontation.


In the aftermath of those wars, Israel has gathered enough evidence to view itself as an unbeatable force, and rightfully so. To be clear, Egypt was once a regional powerhouse—but that was in the past. Tnx to Israel...

Please be my guest and fight a war with Israel to stop the genocide instead of going off about Arabs.

 

[vmro]

Please be my guest and fight a war with Israel to stop the genocide instead of going off about Arabs.

We have enough experience of war with each other here, here, where population is one third of Cairo at best, for all involved states combined...with hundreds of thousands killed in pointless battling, so you are trying to scare me comparing cowardly Arabian behavior to my life reality... unlike us, arabs have real coherent reason for being fighters and consequences for being not...

Yes, Arabian regimes are traitors, cowards and slaves, and I am glad to be your guest...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Well they probably fired that missile from something like 200km away as Houthis cannot intercept from that distance.

Iranian SRBMs also have something like <5m CEP as shown by Iranian 2020 attack on US base in Iraq.

sure. but Israel has the airforce to take them within that range. Iran does not have the same for its ballistic missiles.

solutions:

(1) develop at least limited ABM capabilities to counter Israeli ALBMs from stand off range
(2) improve air force for defensive interceptor role and offensive role including ability to deliver ALBMs from closer distances (i.e., over Syria/Iraq)
(3) establish domestic GNSS network to improve accuracy of MRBMs in GNSS-denied environment

none are cheap or fast

 

[jauk]

'Israel' says detained spy with alleged link to Iran

TEHRAN, Dec. 30 (MNA) – Local Israeli media reported on Monday that the security forces had arrested a man for alleged spying for Iran.

en.mehrnews.com

Israeli who allegedly spied for Iran accused of stalking Gantz’s home, torching cars

Petah Tikva resident Alexander Granovsky accused of spray-painting messages supporting founder of Islamic Republic, in latest in over a dozen such plots foiled in recent months

www.timesofisrael.com