Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[StrategicBear]

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Then the Iranian response should be devastating enough to take out all of Israel's economic centers and nodes of military production that the strategic damage would be so high that Israel feels forced to use nuclear weapons in response.

Sure, Iran might suffer a bit if nukes are fired, but it will give Iran a pretext to quickly amass a stockpile of nukes and hit back.

At this point, rather than just let Iran's enemies destroy the economy and topple the leaders, it's time to be as brave as Putin.

After all, if anything happens it won't be Iran that uses the N first, but the crazy Israelis that can't handle the heat and bombardments when they are the ones getting fukked up real good like they did to Gaza and Lebanon.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It's part of his games to pit others against each other and play Master in the region.

Nobody made concessions to him except a despot regime in Bahrain. Even UAE is distancing itself from Israel.

Jewish narcissism is very extreme and they view non-Jews as tools and slaves to them and will never view them as fellow human beings that they should coexist with. They can't do that. So they'll always talk in director mode. Until they're crushed and that narcissism is beaten out of their DNA.

I don't agree

the Abraham Accords Arabs all made necessary concessions (recognition) with nothing in return

Egypt and Jordan were the original Arab states to surrender to Israel and that marked the end across the region because if the neighbours of Palestine have given up, why should the other Arab nations further away still make sacrifices?

not arming the Palestinian resistance is in itself a concession to Israel, so by that metric they have all conceded to Israel already

 

[lightning f57]

They are going to topple IRI using ALBMs pushed to their maximum range with quadcopters? And that Iran will just sit there and surrender? What kind of delusion is that

Reading between the lines yahu wants to create crippling economic pain for Iranians so they rise up against their government. His strategy is to try and do a Syria in Iran where infighting will weaken the country. The ALBMs will target oil, power, economic infrastructure to create this hardship. The other goal will be to push back Irans nuclear and missile programs.

This is why lack of a response for TP3 is very bad, yahu and trump will be more emboldened by it. They are sensing Iranian concern and hesitancy to respond, its a pattern we have seen with deaths of so many Iranians and IRGC personnel.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Reading between the lines yahu wants to create crippling economic pain for Iranians so they rise up against their government. His strategy is to try and do a Syria in Iran where infighting will weaken the country. The ALBMs will target oil, power, economic infrastructure to create this hardship. The other goal will be to push back Irans nuclear and missile programs.

This is why lack of a response for TP3 is very bad, yahu and trump will be more emboldened by it. They are sensing Iranian concern and hesitancy to respond, its a pattern we have seen with deaths of so many Iranians and IRGC personnel.

I agree but I also invite you to read posts 1-3 of the below:

Post in thread 'Databank of critical nodes of Israeli economy & infrastructure'

Oct 7, 2024

(1) Power Plants

1. Orot Rabin Power Plant (2590MW) - 32.467745, 34.885632 (Hadera)



2. Rutenberg Steam Turbine Power Plant (2250MW) - 31.631559, 34.520078 (Ashkelon)



3. Hagit Power Plant (1370MW) - 32.616887, 35.039354 (20km SE of Haifa)



4. Eshkol Power Plant (912MW) - 31.839487, 34.656887 (north of Ashdod)



5. Tzafit Power Plant - 31.714917, 34.841815 (20km east of Ashdod)

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[lightning f57]

I agree but I also invite you to read posts 1-3 of the below:

Post in thread 'Databank of critical nodes of Israeli economy & infrastructure'

Oct 7, 2024

(1) Power Plants

1. Orot Rabin Power Plant (2590MW) - 32.467745, 34.885632 (Hadera)



2. Rutenberg Steam Turbine Power Plant (2250MW) - 31.631559, 34.520078 (Ashkelon)



3. Hagit Power Plant (1370MW) - 32.616887, 35.039354 (20km SE of Haifa)



4. Eshkol Power Plant (912MW) - 31.839487, 34.656887 (north of Ashdod)



5. Tzafit Power Plant - 31.714917, 34.841815 (20km east of Ashdod)

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I hope Iran is preparing for the worst, remember Yahu is not sane. His a mad racist supremist with support from a super power and a very strong military. In his delusion he thinks his actions are holy and correct.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I hope Iran is preparing for the worst, remember Yahu is not sane. His a mad racist supremist with support from a super power and a very strong military. In his delusion he thinks his actions are holy and correct.

in theory even with low CEP (100-200m) Iran can hit all of Israel's power stations and desalination plants assuming (1) political will exists to give that order and (2) Iran has sufficient number of MRBMs to carry out the operation repeatedly (accounting for attrition and missiles lost to enemy strikes)

 

[Falcon29]

I don't agree

the Abraham Accords Arabs all made necessary concessions (recognition) with nothing in return

Abraham Accords is between Israel, UAE and Bahrain. UAE and Bahrain are not considered Arab majority by any stretch of the imagination.

Arabs states aren't going to fight wars at the moment. The Arab position is no normalization nor recognition of Israel without a two state solution. That hasn't changed.

Netanyahu is a extremist hell bent on remaining in power at any cost. And he'll try to manipulate the scene with these statements. They aren't true. It's his attempt and trying to kill off the two state solution and Arabs don't need to repeat themselves each time he tries that.

Egypt and Jordan were the original Arab states to surrender to Israel and that marked the end across the region because if the neighbours of Palestine have given up, why should the other Arab nations further away still make sacrifices?

Egypt and Jordan fought real wars. Real conventional large scale wars. Arabs don't engage in proxy warfare and/or asymmetric warfare type. They won't go in with military force unless it's for the real deal and to achieve a strategic objective.

Iran has to resort to supporting asymmetric movements/factions across the region because it doesn't have an alternative right now to keep threats away from its border/homeland.

Iran had understandings with the US too, or at times cooperated with it. It's unrealistic to expect Arab states to pretend like US doesn't exist. But they should use their influence to get the US to end the onslaught on Gaza.

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not arming the Palestinian resistance is in itself a concession to Israel, so by that metric they have all conceded to Israel already

They have been involved in arming of Palestinains. But this recent conflict shows Palestinians cannot solve this strategic dilemma. Only regional powers can.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Abraham Accords is between Israel, UAE and Bahrain. UAE and Bahrain are not considered Arab majority by any stretch of the imagination.

Arabs states aren't going to fight wars at the moment. The Arab position is no normalization nor recognition of Israel without a two state solution. That hasn't changed.

You just gave an example of where that has changed. How are UAE and Bahrain not Arab countries?

Egypt and Jordan fought real wars. Real conventional large scale wars. Arabs don't engage in proxy warfare and/or asymmetric warfare type. They won't go in with military force unless it's for the real deal and to achieve a strategic objective.

They did. No doubt. But that was 40-50+ years ago. They lost the wars and decided to make peace and normalise and recognise Israel without a two state solution (the concessions in question).

Iran has to resort to supporting asymmetric movements/factions across the region because it doesn't have an alternative right now to keep threats away from its border/homeland.

Mainly because of the distance involved. Can't fight a direct conventional war (a 'real' war as you call it) with 1200km of other countries between us. You also should not ignore the very sincere ideological support for Palestinians and Hezbollah among religious Iranians (I should add, this is despite the ideological hatred a lot of Palestinians have for Iran due to their love of Saddam Hussein).

Iran had understandings with the US too, or at times cooperated with it. It's unrealistic to expect Arab states to pretend like US doesn't exist. But they should use their influence to get the US to end the onslaught on Gaza.

Ahmadinejad is not a good source. He says a lot of weird shit. It's well known that Iran was responsible for 600+ US deaths in Iraq. Even if had some limited cooperation in Iraq (against Saddam who invaded us) and Afghanistan (against the Taliban who murdered our diplomats in 1988) it was not much and it ended in 2003 (with the 'Axis of Evil' speech). But we do not recognise Israel, which is the main point here.

They have been involved in arming of Palestinains. But this recent conflict shows Palestinians cannot solve this strategic dilemma. Only regional powers can.

Egypt and Jordan and Saudi have been involved in arming of Palestinians? This is not true. They hate Hamas. At best Egypt and Jordan turn a limited blind eye to a small amount of weapons smuggling. At best.

 

[925boy]

when they finish with Yemen and cripple their milititary offensive capabilities Iran is next.
You do not trust your enemy enough when they said they will reshape middle east.

Whaaat?

The west had 40+ years to knock out Iran and they didn't and couldn't, but they need to first knock the Yemeni houthis out today to succesfully knock Iran out?
Do you hear this backward logic?? Damn bro, what happened to your posts? You usually post good posts but you're posts these days are not it.

 

[925boy]

I don't believe anything is imminent for Iran, but the Houthis have been tugging the tiger's tail for a while and may find out that their luck has run out. A gambler will always be ruined.

So how could US and NATO that got beaten by ragtag taliban(using simpler weapons) in Afghanistan after 20yrs now defeat houthis who are as tough as the taliban, have similar mountainous terrain and receive much better help from Iran today? US and nato are also scared to deploy boots in Yemen.

You are a dreamer who is just afraid. Your statements here don't make sense,respectfully.

 

[Persian Gulf]

US sent 96 THAAD missiles to Israel

Yemenis used at least 2 of those in the last 24-48 hours (each one costs $15 million+)

 

[EugeneP]

So how could US and NATO that got beaten by ragtag taliban(using simpler weapons) in Afghanistan after 20yrs now defeat houthis who are as tough as the taliban, have similar mountainous terrain and receive much better help from Iran today? US and nato are also scared to deploy boots in Yemen.

You are a dreamer who is just afraid. Your statements here don't make sense,respectfully.

Taliban was using ultra-low tech: suicide bombers and IEDs because Afghan and NATO troops were on ground. Houthis are using ballistic missiles since Israel is 2000 KM away. If Israel can systematically take out missile facilities, it will be much harder for Houthis. Ballistic missiles are much harder than suicide bombers and IEDs to hide.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Both Lebanon and Syria were easily destroyed by surprise.
Suleimani was also killed in a sudden attack with no warning.
And I believe that there is more than a 50% chance that Raisi was also assassinated by Israel.
It is time for Iranians to learn the ways of Israel and the US.
They are always planning a surprise attack on a much larger scale than you can imagine, under the pretense of negotiations.

 

[Immortals]

Both Lebanon and Syria were easily destroyed by surprise.
Suleimani was also killed in a sudden attack with no warning.
And I believe that there is more than a 50% chance that Raisi was also assassinated by Israel.
It is time for Iranians to learn the ways of Israel and the US.
They are always planning a surprise attack on a much larger scale than you can imagine, under the pretense of negotiations.

You know what the vast majority of Iranian leadership care most about?

Staying in power

The ones that care about resistance this or struggle against Israel or struggle as America died in the Iran-Iraq war, died in careless accidents, died in assassinations (both internal and to Israel/Us), died in Syria, died in Lebanon, died in Yemen, died in Iraq, etc.

Who remains? The people who only care about greed, money, and power.

 

[925boy]

Taliban was using ultra-low tech: suicide bombers and IEDs because Afghan and NATO troops were on ground. Houthis are using ballistic missiles since Israel is 2000 KM away. If Israel can systematically take out missile facilities, it will be much harder for Houthis. Ballistic missiles are much harder than suicide bombers and IEDs to hide.

You think Israel destroying houthi civilian infrastructure =Israel wining and houthis losing the war? Nope! Damaging infrastructure does not mean winning a war for Israel or deterring the houthis. Anything short of ground war guarantees houthis survive and claim a war win over more tech advanced adversaries. Israel cannot take out any missiles sites effectively becsuse logistically its too hard-yemen is too far so Israeli jets carry little payload, and have to fly too far risking getting shot, plus the jets will get worn out quicker from such trips. Houthis still disrupt small Israel effectively, that ls why Israel bombed them. Even US tried to hurt houthis for Israel and is failing.