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According to Russian State Media, more than 15 SU 35 Fighter Jets have already been delivered to Iran. The total delivery is expected to be completed in March and April, and the total number of planes is expected to be 100.

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No way can Russia deliver 85 new planes in 4months from now given all the supply side issues they have and the throughput of their factories. Even If Russia transfers from their own existing inventory, it does not sound realistic.

Russia has about 118 xSu35s units, so 100 makes little sense : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_military_aircraft

Even more difficult is for Iran to absorb so many so quickly. Even if it immediately decomissions fleets of jets to transfer pilots over, the training time is still significant. What about all the support and maintenance infrastructure ?
 
Another X account is also reporting but still without giving any real source.

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that is another unreliable account

they just see one random account report it then copy each other
 
Su 35 and Yak130 deliveries are nice to see, but I'm still hoping for some news that the Mig29 jets will be upgraded. Su24 could also use an upgrade too.
Mig29 upgrade to M/M2 with R77 missile would be a great boost to the air force. Hope the Air Force does this soon as it would be a great investment to have alongside the new jets being delivered.
 
The strategic cooperation agreement is coming. If there are SU35s maybe SU57 on the cards I would expect an announcement whilst those strategic agreements are signed.
 
100 Su-35 is a massive number of aircrafts

I hope it is real but honestly this doesn't really make sense, why not split 100 fighters in something like 50 Su-35 with 50 Su-30SM/full upgrade of Mig-29 fleet

100 Su-35 seems huge and i doubt Russia is able to deliver 85 Su-35 in just some months

Also we still don't have any picture of IRIAF Su-35 out
what is huge about 100 post cold war airplane that already outmatched by our adversaries in the region
if the news is true then good we changed our coldwar era air force with a post coldwar era air force that is already outdated and in the process killed all the will for a domestic airplane development .
 
Su 35 and Yak130 deliveries are nice to see, but I'm still hoping for some news that the Mig29 jets will be upgraded. Su24 could also use an upgrade too.
Mig29 upgrade to M/M2 with R77 missile would be a great boost to the air force. Hope the Air Force does this soon as it would be a great investment to have alongside the new jets being delivered.
best upgrade for those mig-29 is to send them to museum. you think how much stress those airframe can tolerate .
 
The strategic cooperation agreement is coming. If there are SU35s maybe SU57 on the cards I would expect an announcement whilst those strategic agreements are signed.
if there be any su-57 then Russia itself and India are way ahead of Iran in Line
 
if there be any su-57 then Russia itself and India are way ahead of Iran in Line
India has shown no sign, at Zhuhai airshow a buyer was mentioned maybe Algeria?. Yes they will be prioritised but in the meantime SU30s will be good to procure.
 
No way can Russia deliver 85 new planes in 4months from now given all the supply side issues they have and the throughput of their factories. Even If Russia transfers from their own existing inventory, it does not sound realistic.

Russia has about 118 xSu35s units, so 100 makes little sense : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_military_aircraft

Even more difficult is for Iran to absorb so many so quickly. Even if it immediately decomissions fleets of jets to transfer pilots over, the training time is still significant. What about all the support and maintenance infrastructure ?

India’ operates over 270 of the older SU-30 MKI ‘indian’ variant and just signed a deal for 240 AL-31FP engines (over 8 year period) for its fleet a few months ago.

I think 12 aircraft delivered to Iran a year is more realistic with delivering taking till 2030 to be complete if such a number existed. But I doubt Iran will buy 100. Maybe 24-48.

SU-35 won’t be a highly competitive fighter a decade from now in the world of 5th gen and 6th gen fighters. So dumping all that money for such a large quantity of a plane that is merely a STOP GAP plane is a waste.

Iran would be better survived trying to be a part of either:
SU-75 checkmate project
Buying 24 SU-57 in coming years to help secure airspace
MIG 5th gen project

Russia so far has shown no interest in helping Iran in acquiring high grade offensive weapons systems. Putin is likely still irked that Iran didn’t hand over any ballistic missiles or provide some of its tanks/artillery pieces/etc for the Ukraine war effort like North Korea has done.

It appears whatever this “geopolitical strategic deal” they agreeing might be the hold up to this SU-35 transfer from being completed. I wonder what Putin is asking for, right now Russia holds much more leverage in negotiations than Iran does.

I wouldn’t be surprised if one day we learn that Putin offered Iran a strategic alliance, but that it would have required:

-iran sending AoR groups and even Iranian volunteers (like Basij forces) to the war front
-providing large amounts of military production to feed Russian army including from existing stockpiles
-providing missiles and cruise missiles

Naturally Iran’s establishment would balk at such a request, knowing full well it would likely permanently burn what few bridges remain back to world economy re-integration as the Europeans will see Iran as aiding Putin’s war on Europe.

And that’s at basically the major problem with Iran-Russia-China strategic axis that never materialized despite the logical opportunity’s Iran doesn’t want to provide Russia and China the assurances they seek. Russia and China think Iran is also one agreement away from jumping back into bed with the Westerners. None of the parties trust the other for such an iron clad commitment.
 
if there be any su-57 then Russia itself and India are way ahead of Iran in Line

India doesn’t want SU-57 unless Russia hands over ToT. And Russia doesn’t want to hand ToT to India because it’s a western allied country that will likely only get closer to the west in years to come as India.

India has lots of options it can be part of South Korea 5th gen project, Euro 5th gen project, or buy F-35 from US. Or go the path of Turkey and assemble a 5th gen domestic project using European and Western components. Its hands aren’t tied like Iran.

Also Russia doesn’t need a huge SU-57 fleet, especially with SU-75 and MiG 5th gen project in development. Russia may even decide to skip 5th gen in large numbers and go straight to 6th gen platform. Russia doesn’t have the military budget to commit to massive airforces like China and U.S. So I don’t expect them to have a large 5th AND 6th gen fleet. They may decide it’s cheaper to just use the 5th to perfect technologies for their 6th gen fleet and commit to a strategic # of 6th gen fighters by 2040.

With AGI likely in next 5 years, if not already attained at black project level, weapon systems will evolve rapidly for the big 3 powers (China-US-Russia).
 
best upgrade for those mig-29 is to send them to museum. you think how much stress those airframe can tolerate .
The problem of the Mig29 it is the airframe. Older Mig29A cannot fit new engines and digital electronics. In fact the Mig29M and M2 have a lot of differences in their airframe, so I am exceptical they can be upgrade with everything needed (engine and digital avionics). Something like it happened to peruvians Mig29 whose modernization failed miserably.
Makes more sense 2 or 3 squadrons to protect Tehran, Bushrer and Masshad. But again, priority one should be long range interceptors, as many times appointed Emirzad correctly.
 
The problem of the Mig29 it is the airframe. Older Mig29A cannot fit new engines and digital electronics. In fact the Mig29M and M2 have a lot of differences in their airframe, so I am exceptical they can be upgrade with everything needed (engine and digital avionics). Something like it happened to peruvians Mig29 whose modernization failed miserably.
Makes more sense 2 or 3 squadrons to protect Tehran, Bushrer and Masshad. But again, priority one should be long range interceptors, as many times appointed Emirzad correctly.
the priority must be a modern multirole fighter , unless we increase our air force budget at least 10 fold

honestly do you think its feasible to keep a fleet of , interceptors , bombers , cas , ........ aircrafts with current budget which is not even 1 milliard ?
 
Iran has two problems, no one is ready to work with them in essence regarding their military and second one is doctrine of self sustainability in complex weapon systems did not yield adequate results in air born assets and now Iran has not good and fast solution for it.
In my opinion i would cut budget for ballistic missiles to zero expect maintaining only hypersonic missiles projects and long range rocket artillery and divert all resources for drones, AD systems and stop gap measures where available and focus on engines development no matter how long it will take as it is foundation of any long term projection for building up air frames in unbothered manner by external conditions.
 
Challenge!

I asked this question in the old forum and I never received an answer.

Show me several plane accidents, plane crashes due to stressed aircraft cells??? Have you ever seen a fighter plane explode in flight due to the aging cell?

No, the planes that work and improve will never be retired, they have their uses and will be retired when they are destroyed in combat or accidental crash
 
Su 35 and Yak130 deliveries are nice to see, but I'm still hoping for some news that the Mig29 jets will be upgraded. Su24 could also use an upgrade too.
Mig29 upgrade to M/M2 with R77 missile would be a great boost to the air force. Hope the Air Force does this soon as it would be a great investment to have alongside the new jets being delivered.
'iranian air force' and 'soon' rarely work in the same sentence

19x MiG-29SMT with R-77 AAM
40-60x Su-35S with R-37M AAM
20x F-14AM with Maghsoud AAM

that would be a decent medium-long range interceptor fleet for the next 10-20 years. they would also need better concrete shelters or to be stored underground to protect them from quadcopter attacks. but it's pretty expensive and lots of unknowns. we have only seen 2 F-14s upgraded to F-14AM standard and Maghsoud has not been mentioned in a long time.

we also need to work on joining a Chinese or Russian 5G jet program in parallel otherwise even the above will be relatively useless after 10-20 years and we will be back to square one.
 

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