Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan presented President Biden with options for a potential U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear facilities if the Iranians move towards a nuclear weapon before Jan. 20, in a meeting several weeks ago that remained secret until now, three sources with knowledge of the issue tell Axios.

Why it matters: A U.S. strike on Iran's nuclear program during the lame duck period would be an enormous gamble from a president who promised he would not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, but who would also risk handing a fresh conflict over to his successor. Biden did not green light a strike during the meeting and has not done so since, the sources said.

• Biden and his national security team discussed various options and scenarios during the meeting, which took place roughly one month ago, but the president did not make any final decision, according to the sources.
• A U.S. official with knowledge of the issue said the White House meeting was not prompted by new intelligence or intended to end in a yes or no decision from Biden. Instead, it was part of a discussion on "prudent scenario planning" of how the U.S. should respond if Iran were to take steps like enriching Uranium to 90% purity before Jan. 20, the official said.
• Another source said there are currently no active discussions inside the White House about possible military action against Iran's nuclear facilities.

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/02/iran-nuclear-weapon-biden-white-house

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likely standard procedure preparing for all contingencies to be able to act immediately if necessary. exactly the kind of thing the IRI leaders are terrible at

 

[925boy]

@Persian Gulf if Iran's missile threat and potency toward Israel is not strong, why would US move one of its rare THAAD ABM s into Israel to protect Israel when Israel already (apparently) has serious air defense systems like arrow 3? The behavior and reactions of Israel and US militaries to Iran's missile firings at Israel strongly suggests that Iran's missiles are very potent and deadly for its enemies. I agree with the PDF crowd saying you are underestimating the strike % of Iran's missiles on Israel in TP2.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Persian Gulf if Iran's missile threat and potency toward Israel is not strong, why would US move one of its rare THAAD ABM s into Israel to protect Israel when Israel already (apparently) has serious air defense systems like arrow 3? The behavior and reactions of Israel and US militaries to Iran's missile firings at Israel strongly suggests that Iran's missiles are very potent and deadly for its enemies. I agree with the PDF crowd saying you are underestimating the strike % of Iran's missiles on Israel in TP2.

because unlike iranians they give a shit about their lives and don't take risks they don't need to take

and because Israeli ABM interceptors were being depleted, obviously.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Iran must deploy a large number of MRBMs at 100 times the cost of Israel, which can effectively bomb Iran at low cost by approaching the border just in time while hiding behind the U.S. military.
Even a child can see that it is impossible to win in such an exchange.
That is why Hezbollah in Lebanon was the lifeline of Iran's security.
Now that it has been effectively neutralized, the options it can take are extremely limited.
This would never have happened if the Iranian leadership had sent massive reinforcements to Lebanon with a sense of urgency during the year between the beginning of the war and the start of Israel's full-scale invasion.
Unfortunately, I see no way to undo this fatal strategic error.

 

[925boy]

Yemen's Houthis now are playing a huge role... Hezbollah-Israel ceasefire to end soon...

Yes, I guess the IRGC applied its decentralized, mosaic command and control systems in southern Lebanon, which kept Hezbollah fully "ready" and prepared. Israel will lose more soldiers quicker soon, esp. if its forces dont stop strikes in Lebanon and withdraw soldiers in Lebanese territory.

What is the strategic situation for Iran to launch TP3? Even if Trump becomes President, the US military power doesn't suddenly increase overnight, so if TP3 is to be launched, the timing is before Trump's inauguration.

Good points.

A big war will hurt Israel more,

and this maybe what i think Iran is using as leverage in some secret negotiations with US atm- US most likely doesn't want Iran to hit Israel, period, so Iran has some leverage probably in its potential TP3- it has the authority, public support, rationale, etc to mount a TP3- obviously Iran's calculations around timing is a huge part of TP3 discussion and potential occurrence.

as they still haven't fully wiped out Hezbollah and the Houthis and are about to challenge Iran 1vs3.

Yea, its crazy. Gaza is still fighting so brave, OMG- i thought the Taliban were the strongest fighters in the world, i can say its Gaza fighters today, no question in my mind anymore.

Sure, the US will make it 2vs3, but the US can't pour all resources into the Iran war, because they have to keep forces against Russia and China,

True.

so I think Iran can win this war if they are willing to take casualties for it.

Yea, but i sense Iran still prefers not to enter a war with US if it can avoid it- but i agree with you, Iran at this level of military power will eventually wear out US in a war, and kind of win because of outlasting US(due to US withdrawal from the conflict area).

The problem is Gulf countries and Saudi which have substantial air forces and can coordinate with USAF.

If they start "coordinating", Iran will hit all their air bases, so there is the sitting duck theory going on, and also if some of their jets get shot in Iranian airspace, that will demoralize their military and population, which will force the Arab air forces to cease operations. Why no Arab, US or Israeli air force jets haven't entered Iranian airspace? The last Israeli batch of fighters stayed far away, in Iraq, to fire their payload (missiles) at Iran, they never dared to enter Iranian air space- because its vast, so their chances of getting shot out from traveling too far (on their way out of Iran) after bombing/ attacking is higher than we think.

Iran can win easily if it can make Arab Sunnis side with it, but how?

Iran would probably not win easily, but Iran can still do alot of undesireable damage to its enemies. Because of Geography, Iran has an advantage in any war if its fought in its border areas and territory, just like the Houthis do at the moment also.

 

[Xerxes22]

iranian generals said they fired 200 missiles. Israel said it was around 200 missiles.

but happy to see your evidence for 100 missiles.

Did Hajizadeh say so ? I dont care what General Pepperoni would say

 

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Why is every General older than the average Senior Citizen in Iran? Why do we have 65-70+ year old general not retired? This guy is 68 years old!

In US, a general mandatory has to retire by 62 and it can be extended by Congress by waiver (twice) to 68, IIRC.

In Iran they go until they feel like it and rotate thru any position they can find. This is not beneficial to the armed forces at all.

 

[Lulldapull]

Just because you've not seen Iran strike Israel with accuracy means Iran can't do it? That's false and inconsistent logic- all middle east players act afraid once they feel Iran Is about to fire BMs at them,including US- that proves something. Iran's missile threat isn't based mainly on bluffing and intimidation.

They’ve never published any news nor allowed any media and blocked satellite images of Iranian strikes.

And then the coludzz get all gnarly and disenfranchised…..

 

[SolarWarden]

Why is every General older than the average Senior Citizen in Iran? Why do we have 65-70+ year old general not retired? This guy is 68 years old!

In US, a general mandatory has to retire by 62 and it can be extended by Congress by waiver (twice) to 68, IIRC.

In Iran they go until they feel like it and rotate thru any position they can find. This is not beneficial to the armed forces at all.

Because maybe they are the power behind Khamenei? Seems they been there since the beginning who's gonna tell them to step down?

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Why is every General older than the average Senior Citizen in Iran? Why do we have 65-70+ year old general not retired? This guy is 68 years old!

In US, a general mandatory has to retire by 62 and it can be extended by Congress by waiver (twice) to 68, IIRC.

In Iran they go until they feel like it and rotate thru any position they can find. This is not beneficial to the armed forces at all.

Because they have experience of almost one decade war since their teenage time

 

[Persian Gulf]

Did Hajizadeh say so ? I dont care what General Pepperoni would say

'hundreds of missiles' is official state media line:

Op. True Promise II: Iran launches hundreds of missiles at Zionist entity, 90% hit targets

Sirens sounded all over the occupied territories as Iran launched hundreds of missiles towards the Zionist entity.

www.presstv.ir

as for Hajizadeh, right after TP2 he said any mistake by the enemy will draw “a harsh and regret-inducing response” from the IRGC

Senior IRGC commander: Iran to give ‘harsh’ response to any mistake by enemy

Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of the IRGC’s Aerospace Division, says the elite force and Iranian armed forces are ready to give a ‘regretful response’ to the enemy in case of any mistake.

www.presstv.ir

guess killing 5 Iranians doesn't count as a mistake

 

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Do Duah bro.

JazaakAllah Khairun.

 

[PakFactor]

Report | Unprecedented Speech by the Speaker of the Iraqi Parliament Addressing Netanyahu:“You Bastard! Do you threaten us?! We are a nation that considers martyrdom an honor and dignity.”Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, Speaker of the Iraqi Parliament:

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