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[Foinikas]

On the contrary, the events of October 7 appear to have been deliberately staged to justify Israel’s invasion of Gaza.

I think they weren't staged,but they just let them come in to have an excuse about it.

 

[hyperman]

I think they weren't staged,but they just let them come in to have an excuse about it.

I think there was intel but it was unclear, and the higher ups just didn't take it seriously and never imagined that something like this could happen.

 

[UKBengali]

1948,1967,1973 all failed.

I stopped reading that fantasy post after he said “under protection of TuAF”

Poster has no idea that F-16C with AIM-120C is no match for F-35A with AIM-120D.

 

[Foinikas]

I think there was intel but it was unclear, and the higher ups just didn't take it seriously and never imagined that something like this could happen.

I read somewhere months ago that they did have intel.

 

[hyperman]

I read somewhere months ago that they did have intel.

It wasn't clear, all the report said was that they observed Hamas doing extensive military training, but there was no date, objectives and actions intelligence. Hamas was able to do extensive training while keep pretty good OPsec. No one was aware.

 

[Marquis de Sade]

1948,1967,1973 all failed.

1948 failed because the attack was expected.

1967 was started by Israel.

1973 succeed like 7 october.

Please, if you dont know the history of those wars, dont bother. Calling 1948 and 1967 a suprise attack pfffff.

 

[hyperman]

1948 failed because the attack was expected.

1967 was started by Israel.

1973 succeed like 7 october.

Please, if you dont know the history of those wars, dont bother. Calling 1948 and 1967 a suprise attack pfffff.

1948 was initiated by them too. The Israeli Historian Ilyan Pappe covered this in his book, they false flagged, he went and god British military transmissions around that time to cite. There is a video on youtube where he details the matters from his book.

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[Foinikas]

1948 failed because the attack was expected.

1948 was an Arab war machine against a tiny country with a militia for an army.

Look at this



All these countries and they still lost.

1967 yes the Israelis launched a surprise attack,but the still Egypt,Syria and Jordan fought and lost.

1973 the Arabs came close to victory,but in the end they lost. Again. I have no idea why you consider 7 October 2023 as something "glorious" as the 1973 war.

 

[hyperman]

1948 was an Arab war machine against a tiny country with a militia for an army.

Look at this

View attachment 95616

All these countries and they still lost.

1967 yes the Israelis launched a surprise attack,but the still Egypt,Syria and Jordan fought and lost.

1973 the Arabs came close to victory,but in the end they lost. Again. I have no idea why you consider 7 October 2023 as something "glorious" as the 1973 war.

You are literally repeating zionist talking points of tiny poor little Israel being attacked by these evil goliaths that they fought off and won in a war that those evil arabs started. lol

Its all part of the Zionist foundational mythos. I bet you also beleive in the Exodus of how this "tribe" was scattered around the world after the temple, and the expulsion and exile, and how they all came back together. lol(read the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, he has a good book on this)

The reality is more complicated than a wikipedia screenshot.

Case in point, that screenshot can be refuted just by screenshotting something right underneath the screenshot from the same wikipedia page.



The Israelis outnumbered the Arabs.

As you can see 29,000 vs 13,000 initially(and the Jordanians as I mentioned were being commanded by a traitor) and 50K to 100+K

Plus all the weapons from the west and support. and political support.

The Israelis also false flagged btw, I mentioned Ilyan Pappe and his writings on the matter, regarding british records.

And even this doesn't tell the full story, it doesn't account for the sheer amount of treachery amongst the Arab Kings/quisling puppets.

Jordan for example, was an Arab mole, Golda Mir and Abdullah were secretly meeting to collaborate to undermine the Arab forces, the Israelis were promising to help Abdullah become the King of Syria in exchange for helping them.

Morocco the place where the arab army generals were coordinating, was helping Israel spy on the general and the planning. In Exchange Israeli agents offer Morocco help in killing dissidents and lobbying for morrocco in the west.

 

[Marquis de Sade]

1948 was an Arab war machine against a tiny country with a militia for an army.

Look at this

View attachment 95616

All these countries and they still lost.

1967 yes the Israelis launched a surprise attack,but the still Egypt,Syria and Jordan fought and lost.

1973 the Arabs came close to victory,but in the end they lost. Again. I have no idea why you consider 7 October 2023 as something "glorious" as the 1973 war.

You still didnt understand.

I was talking about the surprise element of the wars, only 1973 had that element, like 7 october. Thats the only way to defeat Israel, with a surprise element.

1948, 1956, 1967 all didnt have a surprise element so i dont understand why you are trolling with who won or who lost and all those wikipedia articles and what the shit else where nobody asked about.

You didnt get it, and are clearly talking about something else that was nobodies point. And nobody is interested in your cheering of Israeli victories.

 

[Foinikas]

You are literally repeating zionist talking points of tiny poor little Israel being attacked by these evil goliaths that they fought off and won in a war that those evil arabs started. lol

Its all part of the Zionist foundational mythos. I bet you also beleive in the Exodus of how this "tribe" was scattered around the world after the temple, and the expulsion and exile, and how they all came back together. lol(read the Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, he has a good book on this)

The reality is more complicated than a wikipedia screenshot.

The point of the whole story is: If entire Arab armies couldn't defeat them then,how can they expect to defeat them now? It's way more difficult now.

And even this doesn't tell the full story, it doesn't account for the sheer amount of treachery amongst the Arab Kings/quisling puppets.

That's for sure! One of the reasons they kept failing was because of their deception and lies to each other. Even in 1967 and 1973.

 

[Foinikas]

You still didnt understand a shit.

I was talking about the surprise element of the wars, only 1973 had that element, like 7 october. Thats the only way to defeat Israel, with a surprise element.

1948, 1956, 1967 all didnt have a surprise element so i dont understand why you are trolling with who won or who lost and all those wikipedia articles and what the shit else where nobody asked about.

You didnt get it, and are clearly talking about something else that was nobodies point. And nobody is interested in your cheering of Israeli victories.

Please try to be more respectful.

Entire armies at the height of the Cold War couldn't defeat Israel. Arabs tried everything.

Conventional war,attrition war,guerilla war etc.

They failed. Not only did they fail,but every time the Israelis got even more land...

 

[hyperman]

The point of the whole story is: If entire Arab armies couldn't defeat them then,how can they expect to defeat them now? It's way more difficult now.

Israelis literally had more than twice the number of fighters as well as better western supplied weaponry, and were the ones who initiated the conflict after careful planning. With the Support of Western Benefactors.

So its not exactly "entire arab armies".

Also no they are very much defeatable, outside of Nuclear Weapons and the US backing, they don't have that significant of a capacity to fight conventional war, especially land wars. They failed to make significant progress against 2 nonstate actors, in Lebanon they were hemmoraging, the only element that worked in their favor was that Lebanese weren't willing to go along with a full scale war that Hezbollah was willing to go to, there would have been political consequences for hezbollah if for example the Maronites turned against them, Hezbollah wasn't able to go all out, and Iran essentially wasn't interested in fighting alongside them.

Even in Gaza after the Lebanese ceasefire, the Israelis were not able to meet objectives, they failed in getting rid of Hamas, they failed to take Northern Gaza, and if they do end up leaving Gaza as the ceasefire stipulates, its essentially a complete failure in terms of tactical goals. Other than murdering women and children destroying infrastructure, they didn't accomplish much. They even failed to ethnically cleanse Northern Gaza to allow for settlement as the insurgency was resilient.

 

[Foinikas]

Israelis literally had more than twice the number of fighters as well as better western supplied weaponry, and were the ones who initiated the conflict after careful planning. With the Support of Western Benefactors.

That's not for sure. The Arabs often had very good or comparable equipment and in most wars they had big numbers. They also had Soviet backing.

 

[Foinikas]

Also no they are very much defeatable, outside of Nuclear Weapons and the US backing, they don't have that significant of a capacity to fight conventional war, especially land wars.

Then what's Turkey waiting? For Iran to take Jerusalem and become the leader of the Muslim world?