Can the US win a war with China? Shocking new simulation reveals what could happen if Taiwan is attacked

[Viet]

China is a land of many dialects.
Which can be treated as major language

Cantonese is a major dialect of China, and cantaonese do not sound like Chinese at all.
And cantonese very little of sh sound. I am a Cantonese

Cantonese tones are very much like Vietnamese., and
And Vietnamese is a subset of Cantonese

cantonese is a perverse language to mandarin. no offence to anybody. it sounds ugly. much like plattdeutsch to hochdeutsch in Germany.

most chinese vietnamese in Saigon speak that cantonese dialect or hananese. even some of my relatives in Saigon. they initially came from southern China.
sometimes when they don’t want me to understand they switch to chinese dialect.

 

[Han Patriot]

Dude, you are talking about risk, and I am not talkign about whether or not Maeask will ship to Ukraine, first of all, they have another route, why risk, that have nothing to do with whether or not Maersk refused to ship to Ukraine, this is about how they can do it, if they can do it a safe way, why not? And in taiwanese case, there will be a MSC level support from the US, the same way MSC supported Ukraine. How hard is it for you to understand?

Wtf are you even spewing? Are you coherent? Ships not shipping there has nothing to do with risk? LOL. I was telling you MAERSK DOES NOT SHIP TO UKRAINE and you said otherwise and I proved to you it was hogwash, a media win, since it is through Romania. That is by definition a blockade, a naval blockade, stopping ships from shipping in and out of Ukraine. Get it genius！MSC level support? MSC is a company like MAERSK, it stands for Med Shipping Co., wtf are you even saying. MSC is not even shipping directly to Ukraine. Support my arse! Do you understand now? Look at your blunders so far:

1) You don't know that ports in Ukraine are blockaded until today.
2) You don't know no company is even shipping directly to Ukraine.

And again, just because US can intervene does that mean they have to?


Show me where it said it is a British ship, and in case you are living in a cave for the last 28 years, Hong Kong returned to China in 1997, they are Part of China, this is not a Briitsh ship. We aren't living in 1996.

Are you blind or something? I gave you a link, READ.

Near real time have a lot of meaning, it could be nearest to the second to the nearest to the mini-second, you are talking about a radio signal travelling thru different medium, you have atmospheric at ground level, then different precipitate near atmosphere then you have different radiation at stratosphere level that will interfere with your signal, and then it come vacuum. Just because Infrared Travel 299,000 km/s in vaccum does not mean it will do it round in a second for a round trip if your satellite is 150000 km up in the sky, it take more than that because it is going thru all the distortion and interference.

I can't tell you how fast the signal transfer rate with US satellite is, but I can say unless China really dominates us that far, you are talking about a lag time of minutes. If you are keen, you can calculate the signal bounce off from Voyager 1 and 2 and you can get a rough idea how long it takes for signal to travel in space and reach earth.

just with then LOLOLOLO and oOOOo mean shit when you know nothing of the topic at hand.

For someone who does not even know the different types of satellites, all of a sudden you know about satellite signal transmission? So are GPS and IMINT sats the same? Answer me!

Stop talking about infrared, all transmission have some lag, the point is there is a compensation algorithm for the communications systems, for a slow moving vessel, this is peanuts since your GPS can even function on a fast moving car. Get it genius? First learn more about satellites before talking.

And you still think that applies in 1865 applies in 2025.



so you shoot your ship 500 meter away with missile?

A standard approach is 5 nautical mile that's where the entrance and exit of any port usually come to, you don't sit your ship that close to shore, again, ask the Russian how it goes with its Black Sea Fleet trying to blockade Ukrainian port.

And @Waz I had it with this guy insult.

If you can't talk normal to me without insult, then don't talk to me at all. You may want to act like an 8 years old, I don't

Wtf are you even talking about, you don't need to be 5nm away from a ship to shoot it down mate. I already gave you a definition of a blockade, what do you not understand? Is you skull that thick?

 

[Han Patriot]

It's not the criossing the strait part I have an issue of, it's the shooting part that I have an issue off, unless your fishing boat is make with Kevlar Reinforced armor, it WILL be cut to piece by a M240 Bravo Machine gun with 2 dudes (Probably just 1) hiding somewhere can reek hole in your fishing boat like a sieve. Have you ever seen what 853 meter per second Full Metal Jacket 7.62 firing at 3470J do to steel sheet? Well, I had.

M240 machine gun - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My god, what does decimating coastal defense do you not understand? Ships like a fishing vessel operating clandestinely don't even need to be near the beach to land. They can just swim over at night. 1000 ships x 25 soldiers each scatter across the coast at night. Imagine 100 ships a night scattered across 400km of coast, are you sure there are defenses every km? Machine gun? Make sure the soldiers have food and power first after the meat tenderizing campaign.

Imagine this, imagine that, first tell me how you can completely blockade Taiwan with just 3 fleet, then maybe we can talk. And if they are completely blockaded, then how the rich leave?

Another point is had you ever considered their strategic reserve? How much food and fuel they have already stored off site to prepare for such a war? You can't attack just one day, it take month if not years to move everything in place to get your troop, ships, aircraft, supply together so you can fight a war, that give time to start strategic reserve if they had not done so already, you are talking about 1 to 2 year of reserve easily being store just in 6 month, in the US, that number is 10 years for fuel. US had 1.5 billion barrel of oil for Stategic Petroleum reserve. And 3 to 5 years depends on soil fertilities for food. China also have their strategic reserve, you don't just go without food and oil when you were getting embargoed.

Strategic Petroleum Reserve (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why are you giving me the US SPR? Do you want me to show you the Chinese SPR? Taiwan is how far from US? You fcking telling me they are going to ship to Taiwan oil without risking a direct war？It would have sunk even before it reaches the port or again, you think they unload using dinghys? LOL. How the rich leave? By flight? Or you think it is going to be by boat? They will be a period of tension before the war starts, by then the rich and powerful would have fled, it will futher destroy confidence and undermine the monetary system. Ultimately the collapse of the Taiwan $. Then they can barter for food...lololol

Huh? over 20,000 interception in Ukraine means these platform doing jackshit. Do you know what is doing jack shit in Ukraine? Russian Air Force, and care to ponder why they are doing absolutely NOTHING in Ukraine? That's because the platform you are saying is doing jackshit in the war.

I am sure Russian just like a challenge and not use their air force at all during the invasion, am I right?

20'000 at 4mil$ a pop, do the math mate, you telling me you using patriots to shoot down DJI drones? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And I like how you think an aviator with an old J-7/8/9/10 is worth less than 4 million a pop Patriot Missile. Really, that's sad.......LOL

And lol, how do you do drone when you don't have a platform to launch and ALL The launch is coming in one direction.............Dude, maybe it's time to think before you type.....

I already fcking told you those planes are being converted to suicide drones, you drifting away again it seems. How do you do drone when you don't have platform to launch? WTF are you spewing again? You fcking launch it from an airfield facing Taiwan. The attacker has the first movers advantage dude. The straits is 160km max.

I read and analyze Taiwan election, I just have a problem with your "if"

First of all, the first "if" is "If" there is a 20% Taiwanese population supporting one China. That's a big "IF" by the way, the poll Taiwan Times did back in 2023 suggest 11.3% of returnee support a Chinese reunification

Poll shows 48.9% support independence - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

Second, the second "if" is "if" this is the case, they all support China when push come to shove, in reality, while it's hard to guess, but through history, you are talking about 10-15% of population support an insurgency in country like Afhganistan, Northern Ireland, aplying that, you have around 10% of those 11.2% would actually do something. That's a very small portion and that's before any government intervention.

It is mathematics mate, 60% of the population believes in the ONE CHINA POLICY, doesn't mean reunification but the 92 consensus aka the TPP and KMT policy. That's you talent pool there, you think we need a million recruits? No, you need a few hundred instigators, the rest are fifth columnist in the Taiwan military, the commanders that will defect with their batallion, where they will be given a chance to be alive and RMB plus confiscated property once the war is over.

I will say, if we compare the Ukrainian war with Russian Sympathiser to Chinese Sympathiser in Taiwan, Ukraine probably will face a tougher insurgency and discontent as there are a bigger portion of Ethnic Russian in Ukraine than Chinese friendly people in Taiwan. Whether or not that amount to anything is up to anyone guess, but it would have to be REALLY stupid to depends on these population to rise up and do something, in battle plan term, you discard these type of support, because that would be unrealiable.

I would say there are more 'traitors' than you think there are. LOLOL. I spoke to a few, alot dare not say it out loud for fear of being labelled as a Commie.

I am talking about the missile, show me one GMLRS have 400km range.

HIMAS also said their effective range is 49km, but we all know they are talking about PrSr Missile, not GMLRS

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We were talking about artillery and you said it was not an artillery and I proved to you it was an artillery. Are you mistaking howitzers to MLRS?

WS-3

WS-3 400mm High-Precision Guided MLRS Multiple Launch Rocket System a The WS-3 is a Chinese-made 400mm high-precision guid

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[Han Patriot]

cantonese is a perverse language to mandarin. no offence to anybody. it sounds ugly. much like plattdeutsch to hochdeutsch in Germany.

most chinese vietnamese in Saigon speak that cantonese dialect or hananese. even some of my relatives in Saigon. they initially came from southern China.
sometimes when they don’t want me to understand they switch to chinese dialect.

You do know Cantonese sounds like Viet mixed Mandarin right? I remember seeing one Hainanese speaking Mandarin, I thought she was Viet. The tones were so similar.

 

[Han Patriot]

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Let me summarize our argument with some questions regarding your statements?

1) You said imaging and GPS satellites are the same?
2) You said international shipping into Ukrainian ports are still ongoing?
3) You said naval blockade does not involved blockading the port?
4) You said US Navy can destroy coastal Chinese cities. I showed you the blast radius of the Tomahawk with a 500kg warhead.
5) you cannot seems to be able to discern AIS, ATC and satellit tracking?

You never fail to amaze me mate. LOL.

 

[j_hungary]

You fcking telling me they are going to ship to Taiwan oil without risking a direct war？It would

I already fcking told you those planes are being converted to suicide drones, you drifting away again it seems.

You fcking launch it from an airfield facing Taiwan. The attacker has the first movers advantage dude. The straits is 160km max.

It is mathematics mate, 60% of the population believes in the ONE CHINA POLICY, doesn't mean reunification but the 92 consensus aka the TPP and KMT policy. That's you talent pool there, you think we need a million recruits?

I am sorry, but I just can't take you seriously anymore, I have no time to get on a arguing match which YOU NEVER SUPPLIED ANY REFRENCE BY THE WAY to an 8 years old who think typing LOLOLO and F this F that is cool.

As I said, if you can't talk like a normal adult, then don't talk to me at all, I don't put anyone on my ignore list, but you sir, just make history. I mean, it's funny for the first few years when people are amaze how people can think and talk like that, but dude, a decade on, this is just old and frankly, annoying. And I don't have time for people who can't talk like an adult.

@Waz can you take care of this guy, my patient met an end with him

And by the by, you spell Battalion wrong

 

[Shanlung]

Lol, Mandarin is the official language of China, it was spoken by gov officials of China since the Ming dynasty more than 600 years ago hence the name, most Chinese today in China including younger minorities can communicate in Mandarin. Cantonese is of course a Chinese dialect or sublanguage of Chinese.

Where you got your knowledge of Chinese and Mandarin language?


From same place as that other language expert got his esteemed knowledge about "中北" And tell that other language expert I got more interest in wanking myself with coarse grit and sand than to explain Chinese to him. He can direct his request to Beijinwalker who is much more tolerant to idiot than I am.


Mandarin as official language of China only came into being by efforts of Dr Sun Yat Sen, QuoFu of China. Folks and government on both sides of Taiwan Straits all agreed Dr Sun is the Father (QuoFU) of China.

Not from 600 years ago.
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[Marquis de Sade]

China doesnt have warfare experience of battle hardened soldiers.

For them war is watching kungfu movies, putting Uygurs in a concentration camp, pushing Indian borderguards away and cleansing Tibetan villages.

The US with their experienced and battle hardened generals would bomb the shit out of every country, including China.

 

[Musings]

@Han Patriot

Any more abuse and i will remove you from the conversation. Debate without abusing....

 

[52051]

China doesnt have warfare experience of battle hardened soldiers.

For them war is watching kungfu movies, putting Uygurs in a concentration camp, pushing Indian borderguards away and cleansing Tibetan villages.

The US with their experienced and battle hardened generals would bomb the shit out of every country, including China.

The american's battle experiences are mostly consist of fighting and getting owned by cavemen riding a goat.

 

[Beijingwalker]

The US with their experienced and battle hardened generals would bomb the shit out of every country, including China.

LOl, "battle hardened" by Houthis?

 

[Marquis de Sade]

The american's battle experiences are mostly consist of fighting and getting owned by cavemen riding a goat.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Gaza, Lebanon, Ukraine, Syria etc

What did Chinese soldiers do except pushing Indian borderguards and slapping Uygur women?

 

[52051]

Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Gaza, Lebanon, Ukraine, Syria etc

Sure the US know how to pick its fight

 

[Beijingwalker]

What did Chinese soldiers do except pushing Indian borderguards and slapping Uygur women?

What Uygur women? Uygur men are good at pushing Indian bordergurads, got to give it to them.

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[Han Patriot]

I am sorry, but I just can't take you seriously anymore, I have no time to get on a arguing match which YOU NEVER SUPPLIED ANY REFRENCE BY THE WAY to an 8 years old who think typing LOLOLO and F this F that is cool.

As I said, if you can't talk like a normal adult, then don't talk to me at all, I don't put anyone on my ignore list, but you sir, just make history. I mean, it's funny for the first few years when people are amaze how people can think and talk like that, but dude, a decade on, this is just old and frankly, annoying. And I don't have time for people who can't talk like an adult.

@Waz can you take care of this guy, my patient met an end with him

And by the by, you spell Battalion wrong

Fine, I won't use the word fking but friggin okay mate? Lol. I also spelt satellite wrong, and then what? You can notice the typo but can't seem to be able to answer my questions?

1) How are Imaging and GPS says the same??

2) Can MSC or Maersk deliver to Ukriane directly. I proved to you there are zero vessels near any Ukrainian ports now.

3) Why naval blockade does not involve a port?

4)How do you destroy 'coastal' Chinese cities when I calculated the damage radius of a typical 500kg Tomahwak warhead x by all the Tomahawks in your fleet? It couldn't even destroy a single city let alone cities. LOLOLOL