'Kicked him to the curb': How Elon Musk forced Vivek Ramaswamy out of DOGE

[Joe Shearer]

who could optimize a CUDA kernel for performance on smaller GPUs

LOLOL.

Good luck.

I couldn't get people to work on PL/M some fifteen, maybe twenty years ago.

 

[r3alist]

Mass imports of Indians is already stopping.

MAGA is a mass movement and they have the power now. See how Vivek was dumped and Musk has gone quite on the "benefits" of H1B

It does not matter what the billionaires want as MAGA put Trump into power.

Remember it is not just H1B but Indian "students" that are flooding in and taking jobs from white-collar workers in Anglo-Saxon countries.

H1b is a structural reality, Elon musk wanted the floodgates opened even more, so in fact they still have the better argument, it's either do we want even more to compete or do we continue as now

Elon and Vivek misstepped, they told Americans that effectively Indians are better than you, but they have gotten the message so it will pass

No one is mooting scrapping h1b, and you can't overnight, the corporations will ensure it never happens

 

[AjayGhatak]

LOLOL.

Good luck.

I couldn't get people to work on PL/M some fifteen, maybe twenty years ago.

I mean people here are saying white are not hired for just being white!

Bloody run a company and hire talent. If it is wasted due to discrimination just harness it. Make products and become bloody rich as hell!

I have found it is much harder to convince an engineer to work for you on the tech you know fits the bill than convince an investor to invest in your venture!

Thanks god for AI now!

 

[UKBengali]

H1b is a structural reality, Elon musk wanted the floodgates opened even more, so in fact they still have the better argument, it's either do we want even more to compete or do we continue as now

Elon and Vivek misstepped, they told Americans that effectively Indians are better than you, but they have gotten the message so it will pass

No one is mooting scrapping h1b, and you can't overnight, the corporations will ensure it never happens

H1b needs to stop being abused.

Anyway H1b is just the tip of the iceberg of how Indians "scam" their way into Anglo-Saxon countries.

 

[Joe Shearer]

H1b needs to stop being abused.

Anyway H1b is just the tip of the iceberg of how Indians "scam" their way into Anglo-Saxon countries.

True, that, but H1B is the wrong hill to die on, for those who want to battle the tidal wave of illegal and incompetent Indians coming in.

 

[r3alist]

If whites are pushed out and are very talented, why the hell people who. know that (it is common knowledge according to you) are not using their talents to form new companies?

Tech industry has seen a MASSIVE boom over past 20 years. Why there is not a SINGLE major company that has exploited this massive talent pool of white geniuses who are not getting jobs in the existing brown infested companies for just being white?

Thats the opportunity for any capitalist entrepreneur!

Ok so let's ignore the documented h1b abuse, the perception that Americans are inadequate, loss of opportunity and your inserting of white people issue.....this you will ignore...ok

You are now arguing since the worker's pushed out, let's say, due to h1b, can't be any better ....because they did not create their own Google? So you are saying they are about the same, nothing special...ok


Then riddle me this.... why have the H1B guys not created an abundance of Googles or anything remotely close in their own host countries if they are so consistently and cumulatively skilled and superior?

So people generally coming from a third world economy, and on average below developed world education level, have to be assumed to be better than the average American?not the other way round....

Don't you see why Americans might disagree strongly ...

 

[AjayGhatak]

You are now arguing since the worker's pushed out, let's say, due to h1b, can't be any better ....because they did not create their own Google? So you are saying they are about the same, nothing special...ok

No. I am saying that ANY talented pool of engineers who were systematically pushed out of established companies due to pure discrimination are a valuable resource. Because they are wasted by their existing or past employers.

Any entrepreneur worth his salt will tap into that resource to build companies.

If YOU are aware of such a pool, then go ahead make products by hiring them, start a business and become rich.

Then riddle me this.... why have the H1B guys not created an abundance of Googles or anything remotely close in their own host countries if they are so consistently and cumulatively skilled and superior?

One word : CAPITAL. All these countries are extremely poor in Capital and are basically non capitalistic socialist countries. In India it is very hard to have access to capital.

Also, since the capital has become relatively easier to come by in India, many many great startups have emerged there.

You can google list of new unicorn companies in India.

And you already know about Pakistan. People will prefer to buy 10s of 2 marla (or whatever you call land units) house than to invest in a startup.

So people generally coming from a third world economy, and on average below developed world education level, have to be assumed to be better than the average American?not the other way round....

It does not matter. If they were bad enough, the companies hiring them would not have shown such a growth.

And if better growth using purely American talent was possible, entrepenures would have been doing it already.

No one hates money.

 

[r3alist]

No. I am saying that ANY talented pool of engineers who were pushed out of established companies due to pure discrimination are a valuable resource. Because they are wasted by their existing or past employers.

Any entrepreneur worth his salt will tap into that resource to build companies.

If YOU are aware of such a pool, then go ahead make products, start a business and become rich.


One word : CAPITAL. All these countries are extremely poor in Capital and are basically non capitalistic socialist countries. In India it is very hard to have access to capital.

Also, since the capital has become relatively easier to come by in India, many many great startups have emerged there.

You can google list of new unicorn companies in India.

And you already know about Pakistan. People will prefer to buy 10s of 2 marla (or whatever you call land units) house than to invest in a startup.


It does not matter. If they were bad enough, the companies hiring them would not have shown such a growth.

And if better growth using purely American talent was possible, entrepenures would have been doing it already.

No one hates money.

Btw, you know Indians are typically from fine to great to work with, from my experience

It's generally been plain sailing, collegiate, sensible, reciprocally pleasant

So this structural predicament on labour, cost, profit Vs nationalism and reactionary politics is not their fault, minus the unethical bits which is their fault


That being said I still think you are not seeing the other side to your own detriment because the smart ass answer just doesn't win you friends, like for Vivek

On the note, everything has been said already on this topic, the house is truly flogged

 

[AjayGhatak]

That being said I still think you are not seeing the other side to your own detriment because the smart ass answer just doesn't win you friends, like for Vivek

Unlike Vivek, I do not need idiots for friends -- irrespective of their skin color.

Vivek being a politician needs their votes, I dont.

 

[r3alist]

Unlike Vivek, I do not need idiots for friends -- irrespective of their skin color.

Vivek being a politician needs their votes, I dont.

You seemingly like spending time with idiot's, you may wish to reflect on this possible masochistic urge you have to always be here.

Or you just confirmed you cannot deflect and dissemble the issue any more, in your own way

 

[AjayGhatak]

You seemingly like spending time with idiot's, you may wish to reflect on this possible masochistic urge you have to always be here.

Or you just confirmed you cannot deflect and dissemble the issue any more, in your own way

I do not want idiots as friends... Thats all I will say.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Btw, you know Indians are typically from fine to great to work with, from my experience

It's generally been plain sailing, collegiate, sensible, reciprocally pleasant

So this structural predicament on labour, cost, profit Vs nationalism and reactionary politics is not their fault, minus the unethical bits which is their fault


That being said I still think you are not seeing the other side to your own detriment because the smart ass answer just doesn't win you friends, like for Vivek

On the note, everything has been said already on this topic, the house is truly flogged

I've never had a problem with Indians in the workplace either. They have always been very polite and respectful. But I'm in the UK.

I don't know what USA based Indians are like but the yanks don't paint a pretty picture.

 

[r3alist]

I do not want idiots as friends... Thats all I will say.

Too late buddy, we are already friends

Your wife even gets a giggle from here, that seals it, just like family.

 

[Developereo]

Not even once it happened.

I have met some ABCDs who were very traditional and not very Westernized. They would fit in with FOB Indians and would not face discrimination.

There are courts to deal with it.

Disingenuous walkback. This is what you wrote:

"Businesses are private ventures and in a capitalistic countries like USA they are not beholden to hire americans or any one."

They are beholden not to discriminate on the basis of race or other factors. Indians do this blatantly. 70% of H1-B visas going to Indians is not normal unless there is blatant bias at play.

If the company is delivering 20% YoY growth, who the hell are you to complain? Seen microsoft share grow over 2005 till date?
Seen Amazon grow?
Seen Apple grow?

All are big users of L1s, H1Bs.

If their hiring practices were bad, they would not have done well as they are.

I already addressed this. Big companies have lots of deadwood and can carry excess fat for a long time. You clearly have not spent much time in management and are not aware how these games are played. There is no way to know what the growth would have been if they had hired on merit instead of nepotism.

Again, the same point. Given the progress in tech and the value it has delivered to shareholders, who the hell are you to question what way they should operate?

Discrimination is against the law so I am entirely correct to point it out. So is everyone else who is pointing out the rampant Indian nepotism.

If you have better way to it, start a new company and defeat existing giants. Try it. I challenge you. Hire all the greatest white grads. It should be an opportunity with so much white super talent wasted!

This is not about white v/s brown. It is about Indians v/s everyone else.

Your claim that Indians are above average in tech ability is laughably ridiculous and easily disproved. The American market is the richest market in the world and foreign companies vie to get a piece of the pie.

German companies (SAP) have dominated segments of the American market.
Chinese companies (TikTok) have dominated segments of the American market.
Not one single Indian company has dominated the American market. Not a one. How come all these genius Indians have failed miserably to penetrate the American market?

Why is it that Indians only succeed when they work for a Western company? You know the answer. We all know the answer.

 

[Developereo]

I've never had a problem with Indians in the workplace either. They have always been very polite and respectful. But I'm in the UK.

I don't know what USA based Indians are like but the yanks don't paint a pretty picture.

The problem is not with ABCD or Westernized Indians but FOB Modi-fied Indians, especially when they become the dominant majority in the workplace.