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I have read about an interview where a Chinese aviation journalist said that the Su-35 has been made compatible with Chinese AEW aircraft. Do you know if this reporter and/or his claims are reliable?

China has purchased a number of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets. However, these Su-35s are unable to operate in coordination with China's other fighter aircraft and air combat command systems. As a result, China has privately hacked the avionics system of the Su-35 (with tacit consent from Russia). Since the quantity of Su-35s purchased by China is relatively small, China has not undertaken large-scale modifications to these aircraft; instead, they have opted for an add-on module approach. --- I once posted a photo on a PDF showing that inside the cockpit of the Chinese version of the Su-35, next to the HUD display, there is a box that looks quite out of place. That box is this add-on module. If you are interested, you can look up relevant information.

To be frank, in terms of current global technological capabilities, Russia's fighter aircraft still exhibit top-tier aerodynamics and maintain first-rate engine performance. However, their radar and avionics capabilities have fallen behind the times. At least in this regard, they lag behind China by 1 generations. Yet, they still lead Iran by a significant margin!
 
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China has purchased a number of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets. However, these Su-35s are unable to operate in coordination with China's other fighter aircraft and air combat command systems. As a result, China has privately hacked the avionics system of the Su-35 (with tacit consent from Russia). Since the quantity of Su-35s purchased by China is relatively small, China has not undertaken large-scale modifications to these aircraft; instead, they have opted for an add-on module approach. --- I once posted a photo on a PDF showing that inside the cockpit of the Chinese version of the Su-35, next to the HUD display, there is a box that looks quite out of place. That box is this add-on module. If you are interested, you can look up relevant information.

To be frank, in terms of current global technological capabilities, Russia's fighter aircraft still exhibit top-tier aerodynamics and maintain first-rate engine performance. However, their radar and avionics capabilities have fallen behind the times. At least in this regard, they lag behind China by 1 generations. Yet, they still lead Iran by a significant margin!
got that pic
 
Can we see that picture of the chinese Su-35 cockpit?

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Fakour-90 is a mean LR-BVR killer but will die a peaceful death with F-14 fleet once SU-35+R-37 combination takes over. Not a technological leap by any means in terms of interception capability but significant reduction in operational cost.
 
Fakour-90 is a mean LR-BVR killer but will die a peaceful death with F-14 fleet once SU-35+R-37 combination takes over. Not a technological leap by any means in terms of interception capability but significant reduction in operational cost.
Like i believe i touched in the past, imo it will be foolish and reckless to retire the F-14 fleet even if the Su-35 arrives. On the contrary, this, as the pressure on the F-14 fleet will be reduced, should be an opportunity to upgrade them at whichever highest standard Iran is capable of, with either iranian or russian radar, AL-31F engines, not to mention Fakkour, Maghsoud, Azaraksh, Arash AAMs etc.

Only if large numbers (at least in the high tens) of Su-35 and Su-30SM are delivered in a relatively short period of time (say before 2030) would justify retiring the F-14 fleet. But if only the rumoured 25 Su-35s are delivered, that is not a sufficient number to warrant retiring the F-14 imo. On the contrary, say 3 dozens of upgraded F-14s will quite nicely complement these 25 Su-35s. Even if 50 Su-35 are delivered, i would still keep the upgraded F-14s around, that would make 80-90 long range modern heavy fighters guarding iranian airspace in the near to medium term.

If the opportunity arises in the 2030s, only then replacing the F-14 with a modern 5th gen heavy fighter (basically Su-57, though chinese J-20 is another option and who knows, the 6th gen J-50 might be a wildcard) should be done.

But this is the absolute best case scenario for IRIAF.
 
The F14 with its high-performance radar and matching missile (the Su-35 AESA radar + R37 combo) would still be a powerful aircraft with its high payload and aerodynamics. Iran would rather have a modern airspace surveillance aircraft with data links to air defense and the air force. Then there would be no problems like during the last Israeli attack.
 
Like i believe i touched in the past, imo it will be foolish and reckless to retire the F-14 fleet even if the Su-35 arrives. On the contrary, this, as the pressure on the F-14 fleet will be reduced, should be an opportunity to upgrade them at whichever highest standard Iran is capable of, with either iranian or russian radar, AL-31F engines, not to mention Fakkour, Maghsoud, Azaraksh, Arash AAMs etc.

A depot level upgradation of F-14A to F-14 AM costs around 5 million USD, its a novel air-superiority jet with extreme capabilities. With your mentioned upgrades the cost will increase upto 25-30 million USD per airframe. Why waste such money on an old airframe when same amount of money can provide Iran with MLUed or new MIG-29M/35 or 2 x such upgrades = 1 x SU-35S itself.

- At best what IRIAF can do is to use Russian or Chinese companies for bringing airframes to as minimum hour condition as possible. Iran lacks some of the industrial capacity which this task will require.

- F-14AM program included mid-level upgradation of AWG-9 to APG-71-like performance with complete digitalisation, mechanical parts removal, and change in cooling system. They can probably install an AESA antenna on this radar along with ECM control which it inherently lacks. Such a move will enable the radar to search even a small fighter above 200+ KM and track it at LR-BVR ranges while itself being un-jammable due to AESA antenna.

- Two way datalinking with IADS, SU-35S, Qaher/Karrar wingmen.

- Similarly, a local IRST can be installed on this large airframe, Iranian domestic IR/IIRSTs are vastly modern and are used in air-defense. See the Khordad examples. That will allow the jet to tackle even stealth fighters or work silently by switching its own radar off. HMD slaved WVR-HOBS Azaraksh and Fakour-90/Maghsoud on entire fleet means its even a meaner interceptor than it currently is.

- More importantly it should have Fattah Hypersonic ALBM version launch capability just like Russians use their MIG-31BM fleet.

Even if such an upgrade costs around 12-15 million USD, the resultant plane will be a bigger threat in sky than MIG-31BM currently is. Its operational cost is high but with SU-35S inclusion, they dont have to fly CAP with these F-14 airframes, they can just keep few airframes on border QRA duties while rest of the fleet is stationed underground.

Only if large numbers (at least in the high tens) of Su-35 and Su-30SM are delivered in a relatively short period of time (say before 2030) would justify retiring the F-14 fleet. But if only the rumoured 25 Su-35s are delivered, that is not a sufficient number to warrant retiring the F-14 imo. On the contrary, say 3 dozens of upgraded F-14s will quite nicely complement these 25 Su-35s. Even if 50 Su-35 are delivered, i would still keep the upgraded F-14s around, that would make 80-90 long range modern heavy fighters guarding iranian airspace in the near to medium term.

The 50 airframe news came from 3 x reliable and independent journalistic sources. Seems realistic too. To me even 50 is a small number. IRIAF needs atleast 100 x SU-35S/30SM for now along with complete MLU-upgradation of MIG-29 fleet with few new airframes.

If the opportunity arises in the 2030s, only then replacing the F-14 with a modern 5th gen heavy fighter (basically Su-57, though chinese J-20 is another option and who knows, the 6th gen J-50 might be a wildcard) should be done.

But this is the absolute best case scenario for IRIAF.

China wont give jack to Iran. Russia will, as long as Ukraine theatre is hot and Russia needs Iran as a large ally, weapons supplier, acces to Persian Gulf (INSTC) etc. After Ukraine war is over, Russia will naturally want to re-establish its relations with US+EU using its relation with now "pseudo-nuclear armed" Iran as a price to pay, so the window of opportunity for Iran is small here. If no TOT or local assembly line is established for Flankers inside Iran I can totally see Russia pulling another Rafsanjani-MIG-29/31 and S-300 like backout on Iran even if the fleet price is paid before deliveries.

I am rather more concerned about the seriousness of Iranian leadership in rebuilding IRIAF. These people pulled the plug on IRIAF by devastating budget cuts in the past. Fighters are crashing, FMC airframes are getting fewer in numbers. Hard to believe this gang will pay billions of USD for a force they abhor.
 
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If the opportunity arises in the 2030s, only then replacing the F-14 with a modern 5th gen heavy fighter (basically Su-57, though chinese J-20 is another option and who knows, the 6th gen J-50 might be a wildcard) should be done.
China wont give jack to Iran.
The J-20 is not for sale. It is not appropriate for it to appear in the topic of non-Chinese military systems. As for the latest toys(J36/J50) from CAC and SAC, they are even less likely. They are a long way from being officially in service. There is no point in discussing their export possibilities now.

The J-35, J-10CE, and JL-10 (L-15) are currently exportable Chinese fighters. They can enter the discussion topics of other countries' military systems.
 
Aero India 2025, Rosoboronexport CEO Alexander Mikheev said that Rosoboronexport will deliver the Su-57E to the first foreign customer in 2025
In November last year, Rosoboronexport had already reported that the first contracts for the supply of Su-57E fighters abroad had been signed; the buyers had not been named.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/1007108

My guess in order
1°) Algeria
2°) Iran

Possible due to spending capacity and past interest
3rd) India

I add, ok they have their 5th generation but.....melius est abundare quam deficere...always good to get your hands on this too
4th) China

Then
5th) Indonesia
6th) Vietnam

Not forgetting the close allies with neighbors very well supplied with modern fighter aircraft
7°) Belarus, but it could also go up in the hypotheses.
 
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What a stupid, in fact plain pathetic post! :ROFLMAO:

Russia sends a few old Su-35 and you are celebrating it as if the US is shocked!?? 🤡 🤡
 
I think you're stupid... and big time. Just rubbish. I posted a video from Times of India. Mod should restrict idiots like Dinosaur.


So you post a plain stupid post from an even more stupid source - as you said TOI - and then start an open insult? well done. 🤡
 
The US, Israel, and frankly, the ROW, has known about Russia planning to sell Super Flankers to Iran for how long now? And now two have finally arrived?

I don't think Israel, and especially the USAF, really care.
 

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