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Iriaf is moving faster and faster and is very well funded.

- Upgrade of all F-5s to Kowsar standard
- Upgrade of F4 with new electronics and new radar
- In fact all planes are upgraded

- The Yasin project is still moving forward and when a Yasin crashes, people on this forum cry disaster but when an F-35 crashes, it's trivial for them.

The construction of several Kowsars with the creation of new weapons for it. It's a question of seeing it publicly.

You have to be really stupid to think that the supreme guide will be satisfied with a child's toy during a serious presentation of weapons. The Qaher-313 in a manned version is serious and we will all see it. Many people here will lose face and credibility and will be ridiculed. Between real science and wikipedia science, there is a world of difference
 
Emirzad said:
The drone is there now so the past stupidity does not matter anymore. My problem is an advanced one though, even if the UCAV is operationalized as a wingman which I wont believe will happen, what advantage will it give to Iran? a humongous territory that needs fast and long-ranged air superiority fighters.



On the contrary, the aviation industry on technical grounds has done an amazing job of demonstrating domestic capabilities. I will post a list of domestic tech of manned combat aviation products that are built inside Iran. The unmanned aviation sector is performing brilliantly and there is no problem there, the problem is new fighter jets.

Turbojet for Fighter jet
Turbofan, Turbojets for UCAVs
4.0 gen FBWed composite fuselage with landing gears
Ejection seats
Glass cockpits
PESA Lookdown Shootdown 3 types with tracking ranges upto 120 KM.
Avionics; Flight, Airdata, Engine, Ballistic, Weapons computers.
Navigation Communication local INS-SAT, Radio, TACAN, ILS
Encrypted Double Duplex Datalinking (MUM-T, peer-peer, with IADS)
Helmet Mounted Displays (Track cueing HMD)
ECCM/ECM RWR, MAWS, Jammers Internal
External Jamming pods
External Tracking pods (EO/TV/IR)
HOBS All aspect IIR WVR
LR-BVR with ARH seeker with onboard ECCM upto 150 KM
PGM (laser, TV, IR, INS/SAT) upto 2000 lbs
ALCM upto 700 KM
AL-AShCM upto 330 KM
ALBM upto ~200 KM

All of this is made inside Iran, shown multiple times being built from scratch, on assembly floors. Some of the stuff exists for 10+ years now. Any good country would have created a force of 250 x local 4th gen interceptors, 50 x AT/LIFTs, would have upgraded the entire F-14, MIG fleet locally to top-notch standard from this local infrastructure a decade ago, and moved to better projects. The problem is not the capability, its money and politically appointed sycophants in IRIAF. Leadership lost interest in IRIAF in 1990s-2000s when IRGC convinced them to throw a massive chunk of the defense budget to them for missiles, and drones, rest went to navy and air defense. To keep up with the leaps of other branches, big wigs of the manned aviation sector of Iran started showing silly projects one after another to embezzle cash (Qaher, F-7, Mirages, domestic helis). When no results came out, leadership cut the budget of even the real projects (Kowsar). Project head of IAIO for Qaher was the same person who once Photoshopped a rebuilt and upgraded F-5E "Azarakhsh" with below fuselage wings to make it appear as new plane, the same bozo later used a university project to design a stealth CAS as "Qaher". Leadership pulled the plug on funding because these people are just not trustworthy. They would rather give money to Air defence or Missile forces that produce actual products. The amusing fact is, even with SU-35S/30SM/YAK-130s the culture of fraud in IRIAF won't change. They are just changing the machines not people.
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You are indeed right to showcase the significant achievements/capabilities in the manned aviation domain, be it avionics, weapons, engines and airframe systems, the biggest issue being that so far very little of that has been translated into effective operational deployment. Like in the past we're on the same page here. Would Khamenei and other top brass be so naive as to not realize what's been happening in the manned aviation sector?

As i suggested in the past, despite the institutional and corruption issues present, the best course of action would be to use the proverbial broom and sweep aside as much of the rot as they can, and just put in charge of the manned aviation sector whoever was behind the very comendable advances and achievements made in SAMs, BMs or drones and tell him "right, do as you did in your previous job and get the maximum possible result with these x resources" (i know it's more complicated due to internal competition/rivalries between the various institutions and power groups). Forget about new airframes for now beyond perhaps Yasin and perhaps a limited number of Kowsars, just upgrading with modern electronics, weapons and making fully combat ready the existing airframes would be a great start.

Incidentaly, when DDD made the video about a potential iranian 6th gen i was immediately sceptic of that possibility, but thinking of it, while airframe and engine technology is not available, Iran did prove it has developed the technology for AESA radars, active missile seekers as well as modern electronics, rocket motors, subsystems and airframe missile designs, all this available to being leveraged in creating competent airborne AESAs (MSAs like Bayyenat being increasingly obslete now), electronics and AAMs. So the capability is there, if only someone would leverage it properly!
 
It is interesting to me that some people are unable to let go of the MIG 29. It should be noted that the MIG 29 is much worse than the F4, its modernization should be forgotten. The Su 35 is the plane of today, the Su 57 is the future that is available to Iran. The combat version of the Yak 350 is acceptable, and its radar would be good for the F5.
 
Piet said:
Greetings.

I have long harbored the same sentiments.

In a previous post I also referred to the question of morale in the service. Job security, *job satisfaction* and promotion opportunities are just the flip side of the same coin.

And yes, I am still rooting for a LR-BVR with ARH, onboard ECCM and with a range of 150km.

The above-mentioned missile reminds very strongly of a LR-BVR that ticks all of these boxes, namely Fakour-90B/Maghsoud. The legacy Fakour-90 uses SARH.
Its size and weight will unfortunately severely limit which a/c will carry it.

A missile that has been referred to in this forum as 'Arash' - a lightweight AIM-7E2 - should be pursued with the necessary zeal to make it available for deployment on medium and light a/c. Kudo's if Iran can pull such a round from the realms of vapor-ware to real-ware.

I am looking forward to see your list pertaining to aviation developments in Iran.

Piet
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To be honest, 150 km from a Fakkour missile or the iirc 180km from Maghsoud are too little ranges for missiles of that size nowadays. Considering the ranges of the R-37, PL-17 or AIM-174, with modern rocket motors and modern electronics and perhaps a reduction in warhead size Iran should really get 250-300km from such large missiles. 150 should really be achievable by the relatively large Arash/AIM-7 when fitted with modern rocket motors and electronics.
 
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Mehdipersian said:
Hamadan is about 200 km away from the western borders, but Isfahan is about 400 km away from the western borders of Iran
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Look at the topography in the West. It’s mountainous, which means natural radar dark zones happen due to elevation of mountains blocking LOS and reflecting radar.

The closer you park those F-14’s to the border the more vulnerable you are to a surprise Israel fly low/pop up attack over Iraq aimed at the air base.

There is a reason Isfahan was picked. It’s easier to protect them and the additional distance gives AD crews time to spot any PGM that is terrain hugging or using the mountains as cover to penetrate Iran.

200KM gap is not a lot of distance for a F-14 to cover given its potent speed, so sacrificing that distance makes the F-14’s more susceptible when stationed on the ground during peace time.
 
There is no better way to protect Iranian airbases from a preemptive attack than providing Iraqis with sophisticated air defense systems. We have strengthened PMU in ground forces equipment sector, they need to be armed with air defense systems also.

Arabs except for the resistance forces are bunch of losers and sell outs. Iraq won't be able to protect its airspace anytime soon as it seems. Those aligned with the US amongst Iraqis will keep Iraq a vassal state hosting American forces and airbases.

Iraq is the keypoint in the region. We won't be safe with a weak Iraq. This importance made Safavid empire annex most parts of Iraqi lands. Iraq is strategic depth of Iran in the west.

Neither the US nor Iran is going to give up on Iraq. There will be clashes of interests over Iraq and most possibly will lead to military engagements.

Iraqis have to understand this geopolitical fact and be prepared or else major powers will have to fight for their own interests in Iraq.

Sometimes you have to give up on satisfying everyone and fight for your own interests. Iraqis still fail to get themselves out of USA's shadow. Bunch of F-16s in exchange for independence doesn't make sense. The state still stalls in every sector.
 
muhammed45 said:
There is no better way to protect Iranian airbases from a preemptive attack than providing Iraqis with sophisticated air defense systems. We have strengthened PMU in ground forces equipment sector, they need to be armed with air defense systems also.

Arabs except for the resistance forces are bunch of losers and sell outs. Iraq won't be able to protect its airspace anytime soon as it seems. Those aligned with the US amongst Iraqis will keep Iraq a vassal state hosting American forces and airbases.

Iraq is the keypoint in the region. We won't be safe with a weak Iraq. This importance made Safavid empire annex most parts of Iraqi lands. Iraq is strategic depth of Iran in the west.

Neither the US nor Iran is going to give up on Iraq. There will be clashes of interests over Iraq and most possibly will lead to military engagements.

Iraqis have to understand this geopolitical fact and be prepared or else major powers will have to fight for their own interests in Iraq.

Sometimes you have to give up on satisfying everyone and fight for your own interests. Iraqis still fail to get themselves out of USA's shadow. Bunch of F-16s in exchange for independence doesn't make sense. The state still stalls in every sector.
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your idea is wrong ....
We should spend our money on our military force.
 
Comandante said:
It is interesting to me that some people are unable to let go of the MIG 29. It should be noted that the MIG 29 is much worse than the F4, its modernization should be forgotten. The Su 35 is the plane of today, the Su 57 is the future that is available to Iran. The combat version of the Yak 350 is acceptable, and its radar would be good for the F5.
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su-35 yesterday plane
su-57 today plane
mig-41 tomorrow plane
 
Hack-Hook said:
number of yasin build 1
number of f-35 built 1000
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Honestly I was thinking the same thing I looked up number of accidents or anything involving f 35 incidents 11 so like 1 percent not saying every aircraft has its issues but yeah people jump on it and say it’s a failure
 
False, they built at least 3 Yasin, there are photos and video where you see 2. It's not nice of the moderators who lie
 
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