Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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_Arabia_
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The good thing about this whole mess/absurdity during the Biden and Trump administration is that it must have woken up even the most naive Arab and Muslim leaderships about how they regard Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims and how much propaganda/war crimes/carte blanche the Zionists in Israel are given by their backers (USA/West). Hopefully this will be a start of a gradual (already occurring in many ways) of a decoupling from the West and growing independence and growth and strengthening ties with China and the non-aligned world.
I think that all leaders in the Muslim world are aware of this but they cannot make rapid/transformative changes all at once or they are at risk of another Iraq/Afghanistan invasion.
This takes time given that the modern world/status quo is mostly a Western creation. We live in a post WW2 Western order after all. Even China cannot escape it. Let alone a region of the world that has been attacked by the same West numerous times.
While the occasion is tragic and absurd, this should also be used as a positive and as a start for something better and new.
Never again shall Israel be allowed to do what they have done without any consequences and now more than ever the leaders must push for the full implementation of the Arab Peace Initiative and the process towards an independent Palestinian state.
The region cannot afford this gabbing hole in the body to continue forever as it drags us all down and prevents progress of the region. The fault lies with the Zionists and West as I have been saying since forever. This is self-evident.
I think that all leaders in the Muslim world are aware of this but they cannot make rapid/transformative changes all at once or they are at risk of another Iraq/Afghanistan invasion.
This takes time given that the modern world/status quo is mostly a Western creation. We live in a post WW2 Western order after all. Even China cannot escape it. Let alone a region of the world that has been attacked by the same West numerous times.
While the occasion is tragic and absurd, this should also be used as a positive and as a start for something better and new.
Never again shall Israel be allowed to do what they have done without any consequences and now more than ever the leaders must push for the full implementation of the Arab Peace Initiative and the process towards an independent Palestinian state.
The region cannot afford this gabbing hole in the body to continue forever as it drags us all down and prevents progress of the region. The fault lies with the Zionists and West as I have been saying since forever. This is self-evident.
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Resistance is the way to liberate Palestine
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Resistance is the way to liberate Palestine
We are the soldiers, AlQods, so witness
Our span is like the sun thread
with the flags of Palestine, Egypt,Jordan, Lebanon, Algeria, and Saudi Arabia, “Al -Qassam”, sends messages before the delivery of the three Israeli prisoners.
"لا للتهجير".. أبرز رسائل "القسام" قبيل تسليم أسرى إسرائيل الثلاثة
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_Arabia_
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Arabs are all bad, evil, incompetent, traitors, non-Muslims, Zionists etc. Whatever you are (you continue to hide your identity even when asked) on the other hand is God's best creation. Happy now, clown?
Just a friendly advice, stop nagging me or quoting my posts. Not interested in your usual nonsense. I don't waste my time on anti-Arab trolls.
Create an anti-Arab thread on this forum where you and your friends can bash Arabs 24/7 (I don't care), just stop derailing threads dealing with Arab affairs (such as this one). I don't care if you love, hate, dislike, despise us or whatever. Just stop your nagging as it gets annoying. I already gave you too much attention and tried a civil way of interaction (which you clearly rejected) so now I don't bother.
Is there an ignore function around here? Would come in handy.
Falcon29
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Agreed. This is a opportunity to push for Palestinian statehood. Hamas and Fatah both should step down. And allow for international administration of a Palestinian state in the initial stage.
And I do believe Fatah and Hamas can operate in the background as popular movements. They both won't let go if their people don't get salaries and their survival as movements are threatened.
I believe the Qassam Brigades should continue to exist and fully support their existence as a strategic protector of Palestinain security and national identity.
But the Hamas officials outside of Gaza shouldn't be needed anymore. Sinwar and the visionaries behind Toofan Al Aqsa intended for this to lead to statehood or a regional war enforcing statehood/liberation. Their vision was to accomplish statehood and find a permanent solution to the status quo, which they do not want to continue (conflict every other year, lack of unity government , etc...) . The Hamas officials outside of Gaza are in a big disconnect from the vision of the true Hamas base in Gaza. And they don't think on a strategic long term level. Which is against the wishes of the Qassam Brigades and leadership in Gaza.
But for this to work out, Arabs have to trust the Qassam Brigades and make sure this process takes off once a ceasefire is secured. And allow time for all the details to be rinsed out.
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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Too bad arabia!
It isn't your cause nor your thread!
You derail it at your own expense.
No one here except you has a problem with the way the WORLD sees this issue.
There are Arabs that are being championed and there are those who get it dished out... undeserved... boohoo
Cry me a river!
There is a reason you pop out every once in a while... it is either zion that has a problem with this h
Thread or likes of you... get used to it!
_Arabia_
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There is an attempt to remove Hamas from power in Gaza and it should not be accepted. It is not for Israel/West/USA to decide who should be ruling Gaza or anywhere else in the Arab world for that matter. It should be the decision of locals and locals only.
My position is clear in regards to internal Arab matters. Unless we are dealing with a clearly oppressive regime that is murdering its own people with the backing of hostile entities (anti-Arab regimes by actions - not talking about people of those countries) such as for instance the Al-Assad regime (which was not representative either as we all know), my belief that each Arab state should do what their people want. I might disagree with Hezbollah in regards to their stance in Syria and I don't trust them given their close ties to the Iranian regime (talking about their leadership) but I respect their foot soldiers who were/are fighting against Israel and wish them all the best of luck. I have no problem with their local supporters even though they have been feed propaganda against Arabs (Sunnis) and KSA in particular (due to their closeness with the Iranian regime) and in general often come across hostile if not incredibly ignorant at least. But since they are a part of the Lebanese social fabric among the Lebanese Shia Arabs, we outside Arabs cannot say that the Lebanese should not support them or impose our will on them. We can have our own opinions but that is it.
I believe that all Arabs regardless of our political differences should and easily can cooperate for the better good of us all. We are much more in agreement overall than the opposite.
So I am personally opposed to outsiders (in this case the West) imposing their will on who Palestinians should be supporting.
But if the Palestinians in the West Bank want Fatah gone (which is my impression due to their corruption and incompetence, in particular Abbas should step down he is the oldest head of state in the Arab world) and to choose their leadership either throw a consensus among Palestinian leaders (civil and social, religious, academic) or through elections is up to the locals of the West Bank. Same with Hamas in Gaza.
Politics are dirty and a constant power struggle and human nature is prone to ego, selfishness and looking at short-sighted gains and your own pockets. Every leadership is prone to this as we are all humans.
Palestinians, as long as their statehood is being denied, should have as many armed groups (working in unison obviously) as possible to resist Israeli onslaught.
But the crux of the entire problem remains the unconditional support of Israel from the US/West/NATO and Israeli military superiority against the region. This and Arab and Muslim divisions. Which quite frankly is our own fault because while Israel/West might (they certainly do) create divisions in our lands for their benefits much is self-inflicted and must change for the better.
Also without a vision of some kind of Arab unity (whether political, social, religious, people to people) conflicts in the Arab world or Arab struggles (the most famous and important being the Palestinian one since 1948) will not have a consensus opinion and be ignored because everyone will just look for their own national interests. Instead if people consider what happens in say Sudan (of injustice, war and conflict) as important (or at least important enough to act in some way or another) as their own trouble, Arabs as a whole can act much more powerfully than if we are divided as currently into 20 + regimes and states and within those states and regimes you have many divisions as well.
I think it is absolutely necessary for the Arab League to be reformed and developed into an EU like movement (with an military wing) a NATO like movement or abolished altogether and a new Arab political forum be developed.
Same with the OIC.
Just some quick thoughts here because I know that it is incredibly disheartening and both your faith, religion, kinship is being tested given what has been happening since 1948.
Which is why we need more Palestinian thinkers to reach positions of power in the West because they are the ones best suited to tell the story of the region and be a voice for change.
Falcon29
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Those are good points you brought up, angles I didn't take into account. That's why I appreciate your input here we can learn a lot from you and you do truly give a Arab perspective that we really need on this forum.
I'm Arab too but I'm not familiar with the Arab perspective and Arab history/society as well as you are, and we need to be exposed to that on this forum so we can understand where Arabs are coming from and what their unique vision is for the region .
Hopefully mods continue to allow for your contribution
Shags101
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It’s not physically impossible actually quite simple first you start with massive bombing of civilians with iaf stating than Hamas and others have regrouped inside civilian areas start bombing civilians to the border and than all idf really has to do is take out the barriers to Egypt that’s where it becomes does Egypt declare war or sit back.
_Arabia_
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The difference between humans and non-humans and a non-human society that has all the means to be one and a human society that despite all the horrors and oppression acts humane even against their enemies.
@Falcon29
Appreciate the warm words. Trying to do my bit and ignore the noise and hostility towards us from certain users here. Many different perspectives in the region as well which I am sure you are familiar with even among the local Palestinian communities but we can all agree that Israel has always been the problem, the only obstacle for peace (along with the US/West that supports this supremacist and fascist state since the very beginning and seemingly regardless of what they commit of crimes) and that there will be no justice or peace in the region as long as Palestinians are denied their basic human rights and denied a state. It is not even about Arab kinship or Islam here which are also very important elements for the support. It is about normal human deciency and justice which is why I have seen people from across the world support Palestine irrespective of origin, beliefs etc.
Also no sane person can accept or like what they have seen in Gaza in the past 16 months. It is very disturbing and makes you lose faith in humanity and almost everything else. Also the injustice of it all and how politicians in Israel and the West (the real terrorists) can do whatever they want to do but if you resist you are labelled a terrorist, extremist etc.
Unfortunately only power projecting matters in this world. Arabs were once incredibly powerful people and we can be that again if Allah (swt) wills it and we do our own bit. Goes for all Muslims. Everyone is capable of challenging/changing the status quo if he puts in the hard work, is unified, makes hard sacrifices and works for long-term goals with humility, dedication, strategic cleverness and unity.
I am forced to leave this forum for a while so I will leave this post and just encourage you to continue what you are doing. The only thing that I would ask for as a fellow Arab, since you live in the US, is to try to work towards Muslim and Arab unity in the US and somehow help to change the elites in power in the US because it is absurd to witness how much power the Zionists and Jews have over the US. I always knew this but the past 16 months have even made this even more clear and more radical than I would have thought. Maybe I was naive similar to me at one time believing that the Abraham Accords might somehow have positive effects down the road (eventually) and it would lead to a Palestinian state as Israel would be more integrated within the region, more sane politicians emerging (when they would realize that Arabs do not want to kill them just for being Jews but mostly due to what they are doing in Palestine and elsewhere and have done since 1948) and thus they in theory would make it more difficult for them to go full retard against the region, but I was clearly wrong about how radical/supremacist the Israeli society really is and it is not nice to know that 2/3 of all Israeli Jews were/are sons, grandson, great-grandsons of Jews (Arab Jews) that once lived alongside us for many centuries largely peacefully.
Maybe there will come a time when Palestinians/Arabs and Israelis (Jews mostly here) can coexist (after those responsible have been punished and justice is delivered) , certainly I would prefer that than constant wars/conflicts in the region and I believe that most Palestinians would as well, but as of now I don't see it happening anytime soon. Israel would require some total hardware reset for this to occur because their extremism is only growing and trying to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Gaza (of which almost everyone there is a refugee as well after 1948 and later wars) is a sign of their insanity.
Sorry for the long post, I am just writing my thoughts as they come in long sequences when I first get started. I could make it shorter and more on point if it was something more formal than a forum. Just thinking out loud at times.
Those are good points you brought up, angles I didn't take into account. That's why I appreciate your input here we can learn a lot from you and you do truly give a Arab perspective that we really need on this forum.
I'm Arab too but I'm not familiar with the Arab perspective and Arab history/society as well as you are, and we need to be exposed to that on this forum so we can understand where Arabs are coming from and what their unique vision is for the region .
Hopefully mods continue to allow for your contribution
@Falcon29
Appreciate the warm words. Trying to do my bit and ignore the noise and hostility towards us from certain users here. Many different perspectives in the region as well which I am sure you are familiar with even among the local Palestinian communities but we can all agree that Israel has always been the problem, the only obstacle for peace (along with the US/West that supports this supremacist and fascist state since the very beginning and seemingly regardless of what they commit of crimes) and that there will be no justice or peace in the region as long as Palestinians are denied their basic human rights and denied a state. It is not even about Arab kinship or Islam here which are also very important elements for the support. It is about normal human deciency and justice which is why I have seen people from across the world support Palestine irrespective of origin, beliefs etc.
Also no sane person can accept or like what they have seen in Gaza in the past 16 months. It is very disturbing and makes you lose faith in humanity and almost everything else. Also the injustice of it all and how politicians in Israel and the West (the real terrorists) can do whatever they want to do but if you resist you are labelled a terrorist, extremist etc.
Unfortunately only power projecting matters in this world. Arabs were once incredibly powerful people and we can be that again if Allah (swt) wills it and we do our own bit. Goes for all Muslims. Everyone is capable of challenging/changing the status quo if he puts in the hard work, is unified, makes hard sacrifices and works for long-term goals with humility, dedication, strategic cleverness and unity.
I am forced to leave this forum for a while so I will leave this post and just encourage you to continue what you are doing. The only thing that I would ask for as a fellow Arab, since you live in the US, is to try to work towards Muslim and Arab unity in the US and somehow help to change the elites in power in the US because it is absurd to witness how much power the Zionists and Jews have over the US. I always knew this but the past 16 months have even made this even more clear and more radical than I would have thought. Maybe I was naive similar to me at one time believing that the Abraham Accords might somehow have positive effects down the road (eventually) and it would lead to a Palestinian state as Israel would be more integrated within the region, more sane politicians emerging (when they would realize that Arabs do not want to kill them just for being Jews but mostly due to what they are doing in Palestine and elsewhere and have done since 1948) and thus they in theory would make it more difficult for them to go full retard against the region, but I was clearly wrong about how radical/supremacist the Israeli society really is and it is not nice to know that 2/3 of all Israeli Jews were/are sons, grandson, great-grandsons of Jews (Arab Jews) that once lived alongside us for many centuries largely peacefully.
Maybe there will come a time when Palestinians/Arabs and Israelis (Jews mostly here) can coexist (after those responsible have been punished and justice is delivered) , certainly I would prefer that than constant wars/conflicts in the region and I believe that most Palestinians would as well, but as of now I don't see it happening anytime soon. Israel would require some total hardware reset for this to occur because their extremism is only growing and trying to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Gaza (of which almost everyone there is a refugee as well after 1948 and later wars) is a sign of their insanity.
Sorry for the long post, I am just writing my thoughts as they come in long sequences when I first get started. I could make it shorter and more on point if it was something more formal than a forum. Just thinking out loud at times.
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