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[mack8]

Apparently the Su-57 made a stopover in Iran on it's way back from China. I wonder if it was presented to IRIAF and other government officials? Meanwhile, where the hell are the IRIAF Su-35s?

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[Kyussis]

Apparently the Su-57 made a stopover in Iran on it's way back from China. I wonder if it was presented to IRIAF and other government officials? Meanwhile, where the hell are the IRIAF Su-35s?

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If nothing else it this would be a good opportunity for Iran's IADS to evaluate the "stealth" characteristics of the Su-57 for themselves to see if it would be a viable purchase down the road.

 

[Immortals]

Apparently the Su-57 made a stopover in Iran on it's way back from China. I wonder if it was presented to IRIAF and other government officials? Meanwhile, where the hell are the IRIAF Su-35s?

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With Russia-USA beginning talks over Ukraine, you might have to kiss those SU-35 goodbye. Will Putin will upset his buddy Trump? Once again Iran will be used as a carrot to dangle in front of US by Russia.

Also what happened to the “strategic”
Agreement? Same as the 25 year “strategic” agreement with China?

I’m starting to think they are no so strategic

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

it was obvious, i said it and people are going to lose face here. and soon the new kowsar will come out of the imaginary trash cans of Dr. Mason

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[ToddE]

Apparently the Su-57 made a stopover in Iran on it's way back from China. I wonder if it was presented to IRIAF and other government officials? Meanwhile, where the hell are the IRIAF Su-35s?

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The same bin where Rafsanjani's Mig-29/31 deal went and S-300PMU2 nearly escaped the same fate. Like I said Ayatollahs have little understanding of the strategic interests of other countries, they are highly skilled at arresting teenage girls for hijab but they have zero understanding of how the world actually works.

I believe whatever Yak-130 (6-12?) or SU-35 (24?) may have already or will arrive before Ukraine peace deal will be the last of what Iran will get from Putin's Russia. Russia will have to make lots of sacrifices/bargaining chips to re-establish its relations with west post Ukraine and Iran historically has been one such piece Russia has been playing for last 35 years. Yeltsin did it, Putin has done it twice before and this time will be the fourth time. Iranian leadership is foolish otherwise when Russia was down to shit and was asking Iran for drones, missiles and what not, they should have bargained for as many as possible stored MIG-29, SU-24/27 airframes as backup along with SU-35S which they eventually ordered. They missed the boat as always.

 

[Piet]

Apparently the Su-57 made a stopover in Iran on it's way back from China. I wonder if it was presented to IRIAF and other government officials? Meanwhile, where the hell are the IRIAF Su-35s?

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Impressive. Watching SU-57 take of and maneuver at an almost leisurely pace (no A/B ?) I venture to say that even the most ardent anti-manned fighter pundit among us, would have been impressed.

Piet

 

[muhammed45]

Impressive. Watching SU-57 take of and maneuver at an almost leisurely pace (no A/B ?) I venture to say that even the most ardent anti-manned fighter pundit among us, would have been impressed.

Piet

No surprise. Russia's jet engine technology is outstanding. Unlike the Soviets, today's Russia's top priority is quality.

 

[Tijani]

With Russia-USA beginning talks over Ukraine, you might have to kiss those SU-35 goodbye. Will Putin will upset his buddy Trump? Once again Iran will be used as a carrot to dangle in front of US by Russia.

Also what happened to the “strategic”
Agreement? Same as the 25 year “strategic” agreement with China?

I’m starting to think they are no so strategic

Don't worry. Times have changed. The Atlanticist faction is Russia is all but dead. Not even Medvedev would support such madness. The Chinese are business minded and their cooperation with Iran will not be a publicity stunt. But be certain that work is being done. The world has passed the West. Trump is NOT negotiating. He's surrendering on the behalf of Europe. That's why they're not invited to the party. The articles of surrender are being drafted and Russia will get more that it asked for before the beginning of the SMO. I hope you remember before it started that Lavrov travelled to all major European capitals and informed that Russia wouldn't accept any more NATO encroachment and that a new European security system had be negotiated. They literally laugh at him. Now, after billions spent and nearly a million dead Ukrainians, no one is laughing. The West effed itself and the US is cutting it's losses. There's no coming back from this!

 

[Flotilla]

With Russia-USA beginning talks over Ukraine, you might have to kiss those SU-35 goodbye. Will Putin will upset his buddy Trump? Once again Iran will be used as a carrot to dangle in front of US by Russia.

Also what happened to the “strategic”
Agreement? Same as the 25 year “strategic” agreement with China?

I’m starting to think they are no so strategic

Oh well. So to whom will Russia export Su35s?.
Russia needs desperately exportations. Their military economic sector needs exportations. And India won't buy the Su35s. Neither Egypt, nor Algeria nor Myanmar... Maybe North Korea.

If Russia cannot delivery them, the assembly line will be closed.

 

[ToddE]

Oh well. So to whom will Russia export Su35s?.
Russia needs desperately exportations. Their military economic sector needs exportations. And India won't buy the Su35s. Neither Egypt, nor Algeria nor Myanmar... Maybe North Korea.

If Russia cannot delivery them, the assembly line will be closed.

RuAF itself needs SU-35S more than anyone. Forget SU-35, they are still producing SU-30SM to match their own needs. They have to make up for their losses in the war, and replace older MIGs/Sukhois as well. Iranian order of ~50 x SU-35S is not that big to be financially lucrative, besides, politically Iran is not all that important for Russia so whatever little alliance these two countries formed over Syria and later over Ukraine will be put to trial post Ukraine peace deal.

For Russia, on one hand they have west which can guarantee them billions of USD worth newer raw material supply contracts. An alliance with Trump-US-Jew Corps which will make sure they come out of Ukraine victorious. On the other hand they have an immature leadership of Iran as an ally that wants to fight meaningless wars against Israel+NATO+US in name of saving Sunni Arabs who, given a chance, will be prefer attacking Iran again no matter how many JDAMs Israel pounds on their homes. So all in all Iran has no financial incentive to offer to Russia except for INSTC trade routes, some drones, missiles supply and Sukhoi purchases (probably a barter?). It will be illogical to think Russia will keep its ties with Iran after Ukraine.

An ideal situation would have been if Iran would have forced Russia for following during the war against supply of Shaheds, Mohajers, BMs:

24 x YAK-130M (combat capable AT)
24 IRIAF MIG-29 upgraded to full M2/SMT standard
30 IRIAF SU-24MK upgraded to MK2 standard with ALBM capacity
50 additional MIG-29 + 20 additional SU-24MK2 airframes
50 x SU-35S/30SM (LP/Local Assembly)
XX x SU-57/75 (LP/Local Assembly)

What really happened as per rumors

6 x YAK-130 basic ATs
12-24 x SU-35S
Not a single Mig-29 or SU-24 is touched

These guys would rather fly RC models off converted container ships then do anything meaningful.

 

[Flotilla]

For Russia, on one hand they have west which can guarantee them billions of USD worth newer raw material supply contracts.

I think you are exaggerating any US/Russia deal. One thing it is a Ribbertrop-Molotov Pact to split Ukraine in parts and other it is an Alliance. Did Hitler made any alliance with Stalin?.

Regarding the Sukhois. How many Su35s would need RuAF to make up losses?, 12?, 16?.
RuAF have two priorities; 1 more Su 57s, and 2 more Su 34s.

Su30 and Su35 are assembly lines to divert in Su57 at medium term. But until that moment arrives, you need foreign customers. And the two only avaiable customers are North Korea and Iran.

At the rest I agree with your numbers. But I would include some Kowsars for advance trainers or OCU and Simorgh for medium airlift capacity.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think you are exaggerating any US/Russia deal. One thing it is a Ribbertrop-Molotov Pact to split Ukraine in parts and other it is an Alliance. Did Hitler made any alliance with Stalin?.

Regarding the Sukhois. How many Su35s would need RuAF to make up losses?, 12?, 16?.
RuAF have two priorities; 1 more Su 57s, and 2 more Su 34s.

Su30 and Su35 are assembly lines to divert in Su57 at medium term. But until that moment arrives, you need foreign customers. And the two only avaiable customers are North Korea and Iran.

At the rest I agree with your numbers. But I would include some Kowsars for advance trainers or OCU and Simorgh for medium airlift capacity.

RuAF lost only 6 su-35 jets in Ukraine war. bigger losses were su-25 (32 lost), su-34 (27 lost), su-24 (14 lost), and su-30 (12 lost).

 

[Ali_Baba]

RuAF lost only 6 su-35 jets in Ukraine war. bigger losses were su-25 (32 lost), su-34 (27 lost), su-24 (14 lost), and su-30 (12 lost).

The losses are small relative to the size of Russia's airfleet, which is suprising. Given that the Ukranian airforce still exists, it does suggest that both parties reduced the use of airpower given how dangerous modern SAM systems are or found better ways of managing the impact of these systems on their operations.

Most of the losses happened during the early days of the war, there have not been many videos over the last few months of serious losses.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The losses are small relative to the size of Russia's airfleet, which is suprising. Given that the Ukranian airforce still exists, it does suggest that both parties reduced the use of airpower given how dangerous modern SAM systems are or found better ways of managing the impact of these systems on their operations.

Most of the losses happened during the early days of the war, there have not been many videos over the last few months of serious losses.

6 su-35 lost = 5%
32 su-25 lost = 20%
27 su-34 lost = 16%
14 su-24 lost = 5%
12 su-30 lost = 11%

 

[Piet]

I believe whatever Yak-130 (6-12?) or SU-35 (24?) may have already or will arrive before Ukraine peace deal will be the last of what Iran will get from Putin's Russia. Russia will have to make lots of sacrifices/bargaining chips to re-establish its relations with west post Ukraine and Iran historically has been one such piece Russia has been playing for last 35 years.

If Trump offers Putin enough of the good stuff like unfreezing the Kremlins funds all over the world, allows Putin to seize the assets of countries that 'stole' from it, like luxury yachts etc., I would be nervous right now if I was Iran.

As you mentioned, Russia has done this to Iran three times already, with a 4th time likely on its doorstep.

The only possible exception that I see is if these two leaders agree that Russia supply, and continue to supply, 'vanilla' versions of arms to Iran.

This would enable Russia to save face viz-a-viz its current and future arms customers.

BUT, by doing this, the supply of 'vanilla' arms to Iran would likely ignite a rush for modern US arms to be sold all over the region up there. Thus, increased US exports, increased employment, increased funds flowing in, content voters and general populace, and last but not least, increased US control of what purchasers of its arms may or may not do with these.

They missed the boat as always.

Yup - you snooze you lose.

Piet.