Not sure how all of this connects to the Russian habit of using Iran as a bargaining chip in front of US and EU, and Iran's naivety about it. Russia had ~100 Billion of USD worth of exports to EU pre-war which it naturally wants at all costs post-peace deal to be re-established. Who attacked who for whatever reason is well known and has ZERO connection to how one-sided Russo-Iranian relations have been due to the stupidity of Iranian Mullah leadership that failed to understand that countries look for their own, unlike IRI that wants to fight for others, destroying its own economy in the process. Russia is no exception, they have a MUCH bigger financial incentive to align themselves with West (favoring Trump, 100 Bln USD exports to EU) over Iran. Yeltsin's Russia ditched Iran in the 90s when they halted supplies of weapons even after accepting billion+ USD in cash from Rafsanjani's Iran for MIG-29/31, SU-24 and a bunch of other stuff. Putin's Russia was among the countries in 2008-9 that demanded Iran to stop enrichment, later they ditched the S-300PMU2 deal and Iran had to threaten them with ICJ. They use Iran as a chip when they have to deal with the West and considering how quickly the staunchly anti-Iran AIPAC-Republican US is favoring Russia, Putin will have no reason to misalign Russia with US/EU over Iran once Ukraine war ends. Happened before and will happen again. Iranian leadership failed to see this happening in 2022-23 when Russia first time approached Iran for weapons supply, that was the time for Iran to bargain out as many MIG, Fencer airframes along with A2As from Russia as it could. I dont want to derail the discussion otherwise this has probably happened before with France under Khatami. Other countries keep themselves in such a political position that benefits their economies, defence and citizens, Iranian leadership wants to fight the entire world for Palestinians who on most occasions have attacked Iran.
It does matter because you're arguing that Iran has somehow acted foolishly by siding with Russia and Russia is unreliable as a partner because of past behaviour. I'm arguing that so is not the case. I've explained why l believe so but you're avoiding my arguments by moving the goalpost every time I counter your augmentation.
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Trumps willingness to negotiate has nothing to do with sympathies, there's no such feelings involved here."
I stated the above when you argued that the reasons the US and AlPAC are because of feelings "
What matters is that the current AIPAC-US is deeply sympathetic towards Russia"
Who attacked who for whatever reason is well known and has ZERO connection to how one-sided Russo-Iranian relations have been due to the stupidity of Iranian Mullah leadership that failed to understand that countries look for their own, unlike IRI that wants to fight for others, destroying its own economy in the process..
You fail to understand that Iran might do things out of morals and faith in Allah unlike the West. This is not stupidity, it is choice and a willingness to pay the price. The Mullahs as you call them are not stupid even if you choose to believe so.
If you are of those who are well aware of facts on the Ukraine conflict then you shouldn't say otherwise.
"Russia that started the war, got embroiled in it, and now seems to be coming out of it thanks to Trump.
Your statement is factually incorrect. Obfuscation fact doesn't make your statement more coherent.
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due to the stupidity of Iranian Mullah leadership that failed to understand that countries look for their own, unlike IRI that wants to fight for others, destroying its own economy in the process."
I argue the it's you that is you who using pathos to underpin your argumentation.
Not a single shred of evidence exists that it will be TOT. The authentic most reports point towards CKD assembly by Russian staff inside Iran (Hamedan Nojeh AB ) just like how Yak-130 arrived. Russia, apart from China, does not offer elaborate TOTs or allow local upgradations of its modern weapons system to its clients unless Russia itself is making $$$ in the process. Fair enough from their perspective. Why has not Iran used MIG-29, SU-34, Kilo-Class Submarines, S-300PMU2 for its own indigenous projects? Iranian fighter designs are F-5 based, aviation upgrades are limited to American origin fighters but not a single screw on MIG-29 or SU-24 have ever been changed inside Iran. Iranian submarines are of DPRK origin designs while Air-defence is a mix of US-Chinese origin domestic designs but we never saw any Iranian tinkering with modern Russian systems.
This is matter on what you believe. Yours is as valid as mine until we see any sorts of final product and receive information on it. I do believe the Kilos went through substantial refurbishment in Iran,
just off the top of my head. The other items you brought up I need to look into.
Thats not how countries work. Emotions do not matter, money does and Russian economy in longer terms is still massively dependent upon its relations with west namely EU considering the size of the export. Like I said before, in comparison Iran has nothing to offer to Russia anymore.
My previous points answered this.
"Trumps willingness to negotiate has nothing to do with sympathies, there's no such feelings involved here."
I stated the above when you argued that the reasons the US and AlPAC are because of feelings "
What matters is that the current AIPAC-US is deeply sympathetic towards Russia"
My argument that Russia won't forget nor forgive is not emotional in nature. As I've previously stated. You seem not to recognise that certain nations are actually driven by other more fundamental values beyond economic profit. Russia under Putin have decided to base it's society on values of a strong state, family and faith. I understand that this can be omitted by those who are used to the immoral Machiavellian western states behaviours.
I do not think we'll get any more out of our diverging viewpoints here. We're polluting the thread. Thank you
