Babur-Class (MILGEM) Corvette | Updates & Discussion

I think Korea could be dissuaded by US in this regard. However in the same vein, MDAS is now operational. One wonders why the PN and Turks haven't pushed for the option for CAMM-ER to be integrated with MILDAS/MDAS. It is more than capable of quad-packing CAMM-ER into a cell from a dimensions perspective. PN should ask for this. Nit sure however that Turkey would allow it though as im sure they may want PN to go towards HISAR-D RF and Siper in the future. PN should actually leverage this as a stick toward italy. Help us get it CAMM-ER Integrated into MILDAS so we can quad-pack otherwise we move on to Hisar and Siper. Hisar-D RF block 2 will be quad packed from MILDAS. When that happens, AND it is time to MLU these vessels, that will likely be the first change.

JCF should be planned from go with 16-24 Cell MDAS rather than 16 cell GWS.26. Would reserve 8 cell for medium range quad pack (CAMM-ER or HISAR) and the other 8-16 cells for Siper.
i guess the biggest issue will have been cost.

An MK41 Baseline system costs about 20 million per launcher(8 cells). There is over 14,000 cells delpoyed worldwide. In that sense, MIDAS is actually going to cost an arm and a leg. If im not mistaken, per cell, mk41 is about 500k vs 3m for sylver
 
i guess the biggest issue will have been cost.

An MK41 Baseline system costs about 20 million per launcher(8 cells). There is over 14,000 cells delpoyed worldwide. In that sense, MIDAS is actually going to cost an arm and a leg. If im not mistaken, per cell, mk41 is about 500k vs 3m for sylver
Im sure you're correct that there may be a cost issue. But i doubt Baburs will be up for MLU for another decade at the earliest. In the interim their CIWS station remains unutilized. I suspect they will be equipped with Levent which will help make up for the low number of missiles. That said Netherlands bought eight 8 cell Mk41 for ~$110M total last year, so around $13M each.

What do you suspect would be the cost of MILDAS? Id imagine it could end up being more than the Mk41 given how widely used the mk41 is. Short of this however i dont see how PN makes up the missile needs for fleet defense against IN and Brahmos
 
Im sure you're correct that there may be a cost issue. But i doubt Baburs will be up for MLU for another decade at the earliest. In the interim their CIWS station remains unutilized. I suspect they will be equipped with Levent which will help make up for the low number of missiles. That said Netherlands bought eight 8 cell Mk41 for ~$110M total last year, so around $13M each.

What do you suspect would be the cost of MILDAS? Id imagine it could end up being more than the Mk41 given how widely used the mk41 is. Short of this however i dont see how PN makes up the missile needs for fleet defense against IN and Brahmos
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Aselsan is kinda dropping some very interesting solutions, ones that could be of serious interest to the PN.

The first being a MK56 VLS style system, allowing for above deck launchers to carry Bozdogan DH- which is just a folding fin version of the AAM. They also have this other pedestal style one with 20 rounds in it.

Both of these could do some serious good and bring some decent capability to the PN for local air defense, but, again, the issue of cost comes to rise.

These missile based CIWS are NOT cheap, its likely that a single interception could cost millions, so to equip a ship with the VLS is one thing, but to actually fill the VLS would come at a significant cost.

The other issue is the PN does not like to 'test' new technologies, they want stuff with a proven track record, none of this, including Mildas has this, so its to be seen, but im sure systems like these are in the back of the minds of planners as theyre a great way to increase the defensive abilities of the ship, but, as always, at what cost.

For what its worth, i think PN also has not installed CIWS on the Babur yet, once again, due to cost. The CAMM-ER falls in a weird place where it is still used as a CIWS by most navies procuring it, but still being a bit on the longer range for a CCM, im guessing naval planners are comfortable enough at the moment to let the fleet run at degraded capabilities for the moment while budgets are tight, as remember, PN dockyard will do wpns integration, so for them to not be carrying ashm or ciws atm, likely explained by budgetary issues.
 
What do you suspect would be the cost of MILDAS? Id imagine it could end up being more than the Mk41 given how widely used the mk41 is. Short of this however i dont see how PN makes up the missile needs for fleet defense against IN and Brahmos
Its just throwing guesses in the dark, but at the very least double, to triple the cost of mk41 in its most basic form.

Its complicated business doing hot launch vls. The GWS26 canisters we use likely cost very, very little, theyre very simple in terms of complexity.

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Literally just a gas generator at the bottom, with a guiding rail and thats it. Same launcher used for the truck mount system.

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was just bored scrolling, i stumbled on this.

Malaysias LMS design has 4 cell quadpacked KSAM.

I seriously wonder why the PN decided also not to make use of this space. Each side could easily fit 6 cells, giving them another 12. That KVLS is 3 meters long by 1.5m wide. Another 4/6 cells on each side was achievable, infact, they probably didnt even need to lengthen the hull to achieve a similar sam capacity to what they have now... Infact, with some surface level redesign, you could probably fit a crap ton of launchers on the same base ada hull.

Our threat environment calls on us to have significant magazine depth, why we are sending ships out with 12-16 missiles is beyond me, the Indians can let 16 brahmos out at a time, they'd need to be extremely lucky to get out of there alive. None of our platforms are suitably equipped to be able to handle any kind of swarm attack, what we need is magazine depth. I think KSAAM would have been alot better suited for our needs as a whole.

We could have 32-64 missiles per ship, albeit shorter ranged, these vessels are not AAW ships, the missiles are for self defense, im sure the only reason we got CAMM-ER was it was all that was available to us as its an italian funded project, ksaam seems like a great option, especially for our scenario.

Another option could have been the use of KVLS. KVLS can easily accommodate CAMM, but if not, literally a plethora of Korean missiles, again, a shorter length KVLS is present on the Malaysian design, the shroom canisters are not short either, theyre about 16-18 feet long too. Having 4-8 cells of KVLS would have done these ships wonders, once again, giving them the same or even greater magazine depth. Imagine a Babur class with 4 KVLS Cells in the front, 4 in the rear, it would be a decently effective solution to prevent swarm attacks and also if anything, give them longer range missile options via the KM-SAM.
Korean have now official policy not to engage with Pakistan for defense equipment sales, I read statement of some Korean official many years ago, same statement was repeated during the time when India was purchasing K-9 SPA system
 
Korean have now official policy not to engage with Pakistan for defense equipment sales, I read statement of some Korean official many years ago, same statement was repeated during the time when India was purchasing K-9 SPA system
 
And the result ????

You can tag Quwa to get the more info, I remember discussing the the on previous forum about the issue

Result not relevant, why would they send kit for trials if not allowed to sell to Pak?

Also see below

 
PNS Babur, the lead ship of the Babur-class corvettes, participating in Exercise Aman 2025. It is a multi-role warship capable of conducting a wide range of naval missions.

It is equipped with advanced weapons and sensor systems, including anti-ship missiles, surface-to-air missiles, torpedoes, and a 76mm naval gun. 2 The ship also has a helicopter deck and hangar, allowing it to operate helicopters for anti-submarine warfare, surveillance, and other tasks.


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Aselsan is kinda dropping some very interesting solutions, ones that could be of serious interest to the PN.

The first being a MK56 VLS style system, allowing for above deck launchers to carry Bozdogan DH- which is just a folding fin version of the AAM. They also have this other pedestal style one with 20 rounds in it.

Both of these could do some serious good and bring some decent capability to the PN for local air defense, but, again, the issue of cost comes to rise.

These missile based CIWS are NOT cheap, its likely that a single interception could cost millions, so to equip a ship with the VLS is one thing, but to actually fill the VLS would come at a significant cost.

The other issue is the PN does not like to 'test' new technologies, they want stuff with a proven track record, none of this, including Mildas has this, so its to be seen, but im sure systems like these are in the back of the minds of planners as theyre a great way to increase the defensive abilities of the ship, but, as always, at what cost.

For what its worth, i think PN also has not installed CIWS on the Babur yet, once again, due to cost. The CAMM-ER falls in a weird place where it is still used as a CIWS by most navies procuring it, but still being a bit on the longer range for a CCM, im guessing naval planners are comfortable enough at the moment to let the fleet run at degraded capabilities for the moment while budgets are tight, as remember, PN dockyard will do wpns integration, so for them to not be carrying ashm or ciws atm, likely explained by budgetary issues.
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reminds one of the Rim-116
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any idea where?

PNS Khyber (F-282) under construction in Turkiye.

PNS Badr (F-281) and PNS Tariq (F-283) under construction at Karachi Shipyard, Pakistan.

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With a reported value of $1.5 billion US, the MoDP acquired more than four new ships, but also “complete transfer of technology and the transfer of intellectual property (IP) rights for the design of these ships.”

Though ‘technology transfer’ is not new to Pakistan, the MILGEM will differ from past projects as it will see ASFAT A.Ş. assist its Pakistani counterparts – i.e., Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Group (KSEW), Navy Research and Development Institute (NRDI), etc – design Pakistan’s “first indigenously designed and constructed frigate.”

In other words, with the conclusion of the MILGEM, Pakistan should gain the ability to design and construct modern frigates without OEM-supplied prefabricated kits-of-materials (KoM).

The PN commissioned the lead ship, PNS Babur (F280). It is also currently testing the remaining three ships – PNS Badr (F281), PNS Khyber (F282), and PNS Tariq (F283).
 
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Just FYI - a new concept, multi purpose launcher

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