China hits back at Canada with fresh agriculture tariffs

Russia and especially Putin's Russia won't go against China.

Of course they will make nice with Trump when he is basically giving them everything they want. They will pursue their interests and make deals. China does the same, making deals with Europe and the West. However, Russia won't align itself with the US against China because of several reasons.

1. The US has been very hostile to Russia and there is no guarantee that the Democrats won't return in four years and undo everything Trump has done.

2. China is a much more important country to Russia, economically, geopolitically, militarily. Plus, why would Russia antagonize a friendly country that is now proving to be the dominant economic and technological superpower in the world, and if hostile, could probably seize huge swathes of your territory? Just doesn't make sense.

He has been duped before, he was a Europhile but they kicked him off like a pariah. Now he is staunchly a Russian nationalist, his relation with China will be based on mutual interests. US will change their face every 5 years.
 
France has lost all his West African colonies last years, and they become more highly dependent of USA. e.g: They lost Niger uranium, and their main electric energy source is nuclear plants.

All you can expect from France since then is submission to USA, even when it means a slow motion suicide provoking Russia in Ukraine.
 
BEIJING, March 8 (Reuters) - China announced tariffs on over $2.6 billion worth of Canadian agricultural and food products on Saturday, retaliating against levies Ottawa introduced in October and opening a new front in a trade war largely driven by U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff threats.
The levies, announced by the commerce ministry and scheduled to take effect on March 20, match the 100% and 25% import duties Canada slapped on China-made electric vehicles and steel and aluminium products just over four months ago.

As the ongoing Trade War between Canada, China, Mexico and the United States continues to escalate, China tonight announced a major wave of retaliatory tariffs against Canadian agricultural products, including a 100% tariff on Canadian rapeseed oil, oil cakes and pea imports, and a 25% duty tax on Canadian aquatic products and pork; with these tariffs claimed to be in response to Canada’s 100% tariff on Chinese electric-vehicles and 25% levy on aluminum and steel products, announced last October.
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Yu big celestial bullies only us Yankees can noogie Truedoh!
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Can you please edit tittle and post Canada after poor I had a brain fart forgot to ad Canada
 
damn this will affect Boston lobsters we import from Canada

Boston Lobster is just a company name.


You wouldn't want to eat an actual lobster from Boston Harbor. They've cleaned it up..but not enough to eat any bottom feeders.
 
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Boston Lobster is just a company name.


You wouldn't want to eat an actual lobster from Boston Harbor. They've cleaned it up..but not enough to eat any bottom feeders.
no idea about their origins but they are advertised as Boston lobsters

yeah, could be a certain type or just a brand name
 
I don't know why folks are upset that Orange leader is tariffing Canada when they themselves tariff the hell out of US goods. US tariffs on them is retaliatory for the tariffs they have on US stuff.

Now that China is doing the same thing I hope Canadians self reflect and understand there are consequences for their actions. I wonder if Canadian stores are going to start taking down Chinese made products. :unsure:
 

China Learned From Trump's First Trade War And Changed Its Tactics When Tariffs Came Again​

Beijing is taking a different approach to Trump in his second term.
Didi Tang
WASHINGTON (AP) — The leaders of both Canada and Mexico got on the phone with President Donald Trump this past week to seek solutions after he slapped tariffs on their countries, but China’s president appears unlikely to make a similar call soon.

Beijing, which unlike America’s close partners and neighbors has been locked in a trade and tech war with the U.S. for years, is taking a different approach to Trump in his second term, making it clear that any negotiations should be conducted on equal footing.

China’s leaders say they are open to talks, but they also made preparations for the higher U.S. tariffs, which have risen 20% since Trump took office seven weeks ago. Intent on not being caught off guard as they were during Trump’s first term, the Chinese were ready with retaliatory measures — imposing their own taxes this past week on key U.S. farm imports and more.

“As Washington escalates the tariff, Beijing doesn’t see other options but to retaliate,” said Sun Yun, director of the China program at the Stimson Center, a Washington-based think tank. “It doesn’t mean Beijing doesn’t want to negotiate, but it cannot be seen as begging for talks or mercy.”

As the world’s second-largest economy, China aspires to be a great power on both the regional and global stage, commanding respect from all countries, especially the United States, as proof that the Communist Party has made China prosperous and strong.

FILE - President Donald Trump, left, shakes hands with China's President Xi Jinping during a meeting on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, June 29, 2019. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)


FILE - President Donald Trump, left, shakes hands with China's President Xi Jinping during a meeting on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, June 29, 2019. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)
via Associated Press


After the U.S. this past week imposed another 10% tariff, on top of the 10% imposed on Feb. 4, the Chinese foreign ministry uttered its sharpest retort yet: “If war is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we’re ready to fight till the end.”

The harsh rhetoric echoed similar comments in 2018, when Trump launched his first trade war with China and it scrambled to line up tit-for-tat actions. Beijing’s leaders have since developed a toolkit of tariffs, import curbs, export controls, sanctions, regulatory reviews and measures to limit companies from doing business in China.

All are designed to inflict pain on the U.S. economy and businesses in response to the American measures.

That allowed the Chinese government to react swiftly to Trump’s recent across-the-board doubling of new tariffs on Chinese goods by rolling out a basket of retaliatory measures, including taxing many American farm goods at up to 15%, suspending U.S. lumber imports and blacklisting 15 U.S. companies.

Beijing showed restraint in its response to leave room for negotiation, analysts say.

Xi Jinping’s leadership of the ruling Communist Party spans both of Trump’s terms, giving Beijing more continuity in its planning. He is the one who decided it’s not yet time to speak with Trump, said Daniel Russel, vice president for international security and diplomacy at the Asia Society Policy Institute.

“That’s not a scheduling issue, it’s leverage for China,” said Russel, who previously served as the assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs. “Xi won’t walk into a call if there’s a chance he’ll be harassed or humiliated and for both political and strategic reasons, Xi won’t play the role of a supplicant.”

“Instead, China is hitting back promptly — but judiciously — to each set of tariffs,” Russel said.

At his annual press conference Friday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that “no country should fantasize that it can suppress, contain China while developing good relations with China.”

“Such two-faced acts not only are bad for the stability of bilateral relations but also will not build mutual trust,” Wang said. He added that China welcomes cooperation with the U.S., but noted that “if you keep pressuring, China will firmly retaliate.”

Scott Kennedy, a trustee chair in Chinese business and economics at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, said the Chinese this time are “not psychologically shocked” by Trump’s “shock-and-awe” tactics.

“They’ve seen this before,” Kennedy said. “These are the kind of things that they’ve anticipated.”

China’s economy has slowed but is still growing at nearly a 5% annual pace, and under Xi, the party is investing heavily in advanced technology, education and other areas. It has stronger trade ties with many other countries than during Trump’s first term and has diversified where it gets key products, for example, buying most of its soybeans from Brazil and Argentina instead of the U.S.

In turn, the percentage of Chinese goods sold to the U.S. has fallen.

“They are better prepared to absorb the effect of the shocks, compared to several years ago,” Kennedy said.

Meanwhile, more than 80% of Mexico’s exports go to the U.S., and Canada sends 75% of its exports here.

China has learned from its previous dealings with Trump, Russel said. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum are facing a reversal of Trump’s previous trade policies, with tariffs imposed and then postponed twice on at least some goods.
“Beijing has seen enough to know that appeasing Trump doesn’t work,” Russel said. In the first go-around, Trudeau and Sheinbaum “bought a little time, but the pressure only came roaring back stronger.”

Trudeau flew to Mar-a-Lago to meet Trump in December after the president-elect threatened tariffs. But in announcing retaliatory tariffs Tuesday, Trudeau sternly warned: “This is a time to hit back hard and to demonstrate that a fight with Canada will have no winners.”
Sheinbaum also has said that “no one wins with this decision.”

 
Yeah, no surrender for China ! What China learned from his first term is appeasing to Trump and Yanks doesn't work but will invite more bullying. China learned that Chinese can't trust Trump's words or any agreement Chinese gov signs with his gov.
 
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It's good that China is able to reduce dependency toward USA.
 

Trump’s trade war against China to make US more irrelevant on the world stage​

Tuesday, 11 March 2025 6:12 AM



By S.L. Kanthan

“History is a mirror of the present, and a lesson for the present,” goes an old Iranian proverb that is lost on Washington elites, who are spreading chaos all over the world with their misguided policies.


Unable to comprehend and adapt to the rapidly changing world, US President Trump is engaging in imperialist and futile trade wars, especially with China, the world’s largest trading nation.

Trump is blithely ignoring lessons from America’s past when tariffs and retaliatory tariffs after the infamous Smoot-Hawley Act exacerbated the Great Depression in the 1930s. For now, there is a plethora of reasons why Trump will fail and China will succeed in this economic war.

Let us start with the big picture, which is Trump’s obsession with trade deficit. To his credit, this is not a cynical populism that he adopted recently; he has been complaining about trade deficits for 35 years.

To Trump, any country that has trade surplus with the US is “ripping off” America. This is mercantilism, which has been the core principle of prosperity for many countries and empires for centuries.

However, he is profoundly misguided when he also wants the dollar to be the global reserve currency. This is inherently contradictory to his objectives on trade.

That is, the US must run trade deficits in order for the dollar to be widely available around the world for trade and FOREX. This is the well-known Triffin’s Dilemma that was enunciated in the 1960s.

Thus, Trump’s core trade and economic policies are deeply flawed.

Second, Trump wants to bring manufacturing back to the US, since he grew up in the 1950s and ‘60s when the US led the world as an industrial powerhouse.

However, thanks to Wall Street, America has been undergoing de-industrialization for the last 40+ years. The financial overlords – who are the true rulers of America – want maximum returns for shareholders, which are only possible in the software and services sectors.

Manufacturing is labor- and capital-intensive, and the profit margins are very low. This is why Western corporations started outsourcing manufacturing to Asia, China in particular.

Trump will fail to bring manufacturing back just as he could not in his first term. As mentioned before, the first hurdle is the American system. Second, after decades of offshoring, the US simply does not have the workforce that has the skill or the desire to work in manufacturing.

Look at the charts below. The one on the left shows the dramatic decline in the number of Americans employed in manufacturing -- down 35% since 1979. The second chart shows how China’s gross manufacturing is three times as large as that of the US.

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Finally, the US does not have the infrastructure needed for manufacturing anymore. America’s bridges, highways and railways are old and crumbling.

When it comes to sea ports, the 7 of the 10 busiest ports are in China. Shanghai handles staggering 5x as many containers as Los Angeles does. Chinese ports are also highly automated with autonomous vehicles and 5G, while the US is largely reliant on humans.

The biggest mistake that the West made was to discount China's rise (and other countries like Russia and Iran in Eurasia). Thanks to imperialism and racism, the Washington consensus was that China would never be able to climb up the value chain in manufacturing.

Everyone in the media, think tanks, and corporate America agreed that “communist” China could never compete with Western corporations, which were superior in technology and soft power.

Moreover, the imperialists were confident that capitalism would change China. After all, who could resist McDonald’s, Hollywood and the neoliberal teachings of Harvard University?

However, what transpired over the last 40 years, stunned Americans: The emergence of Capitalism with Chinese characteristics.

In the US, the government is controlled by banks and corporations. In China, the reverse happened: The government sits above the capitalists to ensure that the free market works for the people. The Chinese government spent an enormous amount of money on infrastructure, education, technology, R&D, and a thriving ecosystem of not just manufacturing but technologies of all sorts – while America was busy bombing Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.

Many Americans foolishly still think of China as a land of cheap labor, but more than half of all industrial robots in the world are being installed in Chinese factories every year.

While Chinese companies were copy-cats in 2001 when China joined the WTO, they are now true innovators in smart phones, electric cars, e-commerce, robots, humanoids, drones, artificial intelligence, etc.

Chinese company BYD is doing to EV what Henry Ford did to cars a century ago – provide excellent but affordable products through creative and efficient process management.

China now makes EVs ranging from $5000 to $120,000 – meeting the needs of everyone across the social classes. Last year, the country produced more than 12 million electric cars – accounting for 2 in 3 EV worldwide – while exporting 6 million cars, gasoline and electric cars globally. To the utter dismay of Americans, BYD is outselling Tesla in countries like Australia.

Unable to compete fairly, the US has essentially banned Chinese electric cars and has placed sanctions on 1000+ Chinese tech companies. Violating all the WTO rules and international norms, the US has also bullied European vassal countries into banning Huawei’s 5G products and not selling semiconductor chipmaking gear to China.

The delusional objective of Americans is to contain China by enforcing “small yard and high fence” – that is, restrict China from advancing in a few critical technological sectors.

However, as the Chinese AI company DeepSeek proved, the Chinese are innovating rapidly under pressure. China is just one big innovation away from mastering semiconductor fabrication—i.e., lithography—and that breakthrough is bound to happen soon.

As for the US hoping to stop China through a hot war, China has built the world’s largest navy, hypersonic missiles, and even 6th generation fighter jets.

Every war game (simulation) by the Pentagon shows the US losing to China. Also, after observing what happened to Ukraine, countries such as the Philippines would not dare to be geopolitical pawns for America.

Thus, Trump cannot cripple China with his tariffs and trade wars. And unless he plans to impose tariffs on every trading nation, American corporations and consumers will simply import Chinese goods rerouted through Mexico, Vietnam, India, etc. Billionaire Trump’s tariffs will make the lives of average Americans miserable by increasing inflation and the cost of living.

The US accounts for only 10 percent of China’s international trade. The Global South – especially those who are members of the Belt and Road Initiative – will continue to be the biggest buyers of Chinese goods.

Europe, which might be getting decoupled from the US, will be forced to look East for trade and technology partners, making the US even more irrelevant on the world stage.

How confident are the officials in Beijing about winning the trade war? Consider the rather stunning official statement by Chinese embassy in the US: "If war is what the US wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we're ready to fight till the end.”
 

Significant Manufacturing Capacity in China​

MARCH 11, 2025
Torsten Sløk
Apollo Chief Economist

Sixty-seven percent of global manufacturing capacity for electric vehicles is in China.
Similarly, most manufacturing capacity for batteries, solar, and wind is also in China, see chart below.
Most manufacturing capacity is in China
Note: Data for 2023. RoW = Rest of World. “Electric cars” values are calculated based on 2023 production numbers, adjusted according to the utilization rates of car assembly plants in the region. Source: IEA analysis based on IEA (2024a) and IEA (2023b), Apollo Chief Economist
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