US Political News and Trump’s China visit
- Thread starter RabzonKhan
- Start date
j_hungary
Professional
I will say the Dem needs a leader to win back the house, they don't need someone who is going to point out everything Trump had promise and had not done. Trump himself is doing it pretty well by himself, they need someone to push back on Trump's agenda and remind people this is what they are voting for and more importantly unite the Democratic party.
Trump has won because of the swing voter voted for him, those people is going to be regretting it the most, his base is never going to change, just look at what Fox is spilling right now and you will know. What Dem need to do is to have someone lead in front, push back against Trump and engage the community. Then they will win 2028 election.
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Who do you think that leader could be? Bernie is one option, at least to lead the party, if not as DNC chair, at least as some high up leadership/mentorship role. One problem the dems know they have anticipate is not alienating the billionaires that fund a large portion of their campaigns.
I have an out of the box theory. They should run a non-politician as their candidate. Someone fresh and untainted by the party and seen as genuine by the public. Someone also young enough but old enough to garner populist support. A Gen X comedian. If they can run a former actor, Reagan as governor and then president, as well as a one time senator from Illinois, Obama, as well as a TV celebrity, Trump, then why not a comedian.
They should run Bill Burr in 2028. Bill is only 56 years old.
Bill Burr - Wikipedia
There is already excitement about Bill Burr.
And takes down Elon
https://youtu.be/xFpugQNhGbY?si=3w-gcizs7pxWmugx
Knows how to respond to the anti-Palestinian sentiments in the protests
https://youtu.be/bMUct0PkQBQ?si=JWqFyjCF8Mw6uymi
Bill Burr also knows how to deal with “Hecklers”. There are other compilations of Bill knowing how to respond to people busting his balls.
https://youtu.be/ne85zWB6YBI?si=kJn6-Lv8DNWwcahz
BILL BURR IS VERY PUBLIC, and THAT IS THE KIND OF RESUME THAT IS CONTENT TO BUILD UP HIS IMAGE TO THE MASSES AS A REAL MAN OF THE PROPLE.
Last edited:
j_hungary
Professional
Who do you think that leader could be? Bernie is one option, at least to lead the party, if not as DNC chair, at least as some high up leadership/mentorship role. One problem the dems know they have anticipate is not alienating the billionaires that fund a large portion of their campaigns.
I have an out of the box theory. They should run a non-politician as their candidate. Someone fresh and untainted by the party and seen as genuine by the public. Someone also young enough but old enough to garner populist support. A Gen X comedian. If they can run a former actor, Reagan as governor and then president, as well as a one time senator from Illinois, Obama, as well as a TV celebrity, Trump, then why not a comedian.
They should run Bill Burr in 2028. Bill is only 56 years old.
Bill Burr - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
There is already excitement about Bill Burr.
And takes down Elon
https://youtu.be/xFpugQNhGbY?si=3w-gcizs7pxWmugx
Knows how to respond to the anti-Palestinian sentiments in the protests
https://youtu.be/bMUct0PkQBQ?si=JWqFyjCF8Mw6uymi
Bill Burr also knows how to deal with “Hecklers”. There are other compilations of Bill knowing how to respond to people busting his balls.
https://youtu.be/ne85zWB6YBI?si=kJn6-Lv8DNWwcahz
BILL BURR IS VERY PUBLIC, and THAT IS THE KIND OF RESUME THAT IS CONTENT TO BUILD UP HIS IMAGE TO THE MASSES AS A REAL MAN OF THE PROPLE.
Depends on if you are talking about high profile people or politician
Politician I like Hakeem Jefferies, Josh Shapiro and Gary Newsom.
High Profile people I like Bernie Sanders and Jon Steward.
Bill Burr would be a good choice, but people may get sick of him as he is just too out there
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.
www.youtube.com
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
It’s about swaying the middle, the people that shifted from Biden in 2020 to Trump or third party in 2024, plus a few more for good measure.Depends on if you are talking about high profile people or politician
Politician I like Hakeem Jefferies, Josh Shapiro and Gary Newsom.
High Profile people I like Bernie Sanders and Jon Steward.
Bill Burr would be a good choice, but people may get sick of him as he is just too out there
- YouTube
Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.
Bill burr may have to tone down some rhetoric to look more serious, but it is about excitement and momentum. Politics has become more of a sport and about someone selling an optimistic vision; such as Obama’s hope and change. Bill also gives off a no BS vibe while still being a liberal. He seems genuine.
The career politicians, other than Bernie, seem insincere and Stewart feels like he appeals to older millennials and doesn’t really come across as relatable to the Gen Z crowd. But I could see a Bill Burr / John Stewart ticket; Comedians for common sense / Truth, Justice, the American Way. Burr Stewart; the BS ticket.
Remember it was Bill Burr they brought out on SNL after the 2024 election. Considering the DNC convention was a bust, this was the closest to the speech Obama gave at the 2004 DNC convention.
So, IMHO, Bill has the kind of energy that could carry the left wing through these Trump years and build up enthusiasm to through the republicans out of control to congress in 26 and out of the presidency in 28. Yes he might get annoying to some, but he would be comforting to many other others, and motivate people once again to vote, the way Harris was not able to do, and the key we found out of getting out the vote, not so much swaying voters.
Do you think Bill Burr gets the mood of most of the country right?
Last edited:
j_hungary
Professional
I am not liberal, I am those people in the middle. The issue with the middle is, if you don't have a politician that care about the middle, they tend to vote right because there are a lot more center right than center left out there, that's just a fact.
The reason why Harris/Waltz ticket failed is they focus a lot on attacking Trump, yes, you do need to do that, but a lot of people in the middle don't share the same "hatred" for the Dem or strictly people from the left. Which mean when the people in the middle need to choose, they choose people according to their policy not what they are. And that's why a lot of undecided ended upvoting for Trump.
Going back to those Poll, actually those polls is quite reflective to the actual situation
If you look at the final result, you have 1.9% voted for other, and you deducted 1.9% from all the poll and add that number to Trump (which is where those undecided voter goes) you get a very close around 50% of vote Trump had.I remember the first post I made after Harris and Trump had a debate, I said yeah, she destroyed trump but she did not show her policy, and policy is what people in the middle care about. Hence the swing.
Now most undecided that voted for him is regretting it now, what Dem need is to push those people to their side, or at least don't have them vote for GOP again, because if these people don't vote for GOP, Dem will win if those vote goes to a third party or they just stay home, so while it may be hard for the dem to sell those policy to the people in the middle, as long as they can stop those middle from voting Trump and GOP, they will win the next election.
As for who should be in the next ticket. I would support a Jefferies/Waltz (or vice versa) or Shipiro/Waltz (or vice versa) probably not as much as Newsom with either Jefferies or Shapiro or Waltz, I think Waltz is the right choice, you need an American dad in the next election to hold people hand, but the last strategy is basically shit for the dem. You need a new/old combo for 2028
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Waltz is a good VP pick but he will look tainted by the 24 loss. I think people want a balance, so I think Beshear from Kentucky is perfect for the VP to Bill Burr as the top of the ticket. Andy Beshear is only 47, and can take over from Burr in 32 or 36 in his own right. If we look at our last democrat presidents before Obama and Biden, they were all South democrats; Dixiecrats. Clinton, Carter, and Johnson.
So a Bill and Andy ticket could be solid.
Jeffries, Shapiro, and Newsom all seem like counterfeit Obamas. Even Obama doesn’t appeal to as many people, because too many feel he helped create part of the problem, including the divisiveness.
Definitely need to focus on policy, but compassion and character mixed with competence could be just enough, especially it heals the divisions in the country, considering how much Trump is alienating the public already. And all this is before what looks like trump’s policies slowing the economy down.
j_hungary
Professional
Depends on what US will be like in 26 or 28, you probably going to need a steady hand to hold those voter, especially if Trump make a giant mess of a country like I think would happen. So, I think it would be a better choice to have a young "go-getter" couple with an old school American Dad style Politician.
I will say the ticket thing is still a while away, while I will discount a Bill Burr ticket now, but I don't know, I think we need to be in 26 to start talking about ticket. On the other hand, Dem need a leader to push back on Trump now, or they aren't going to get 26 midterm done. That's more important IMO
And yes, as I said numerous time, Obama help created the problem he lean too left, and then we rebound too right, and does it again twice.
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Of all the problems, by 26, it will probably be the state of the economy that most voters will care about. Trump will pander with pledge of tax cuts for all, but net effective tax cuts versus reduction in services, most middle class and working class people people will feel worse off if Trump really messes up the economy. Bernie could help the party recover some swing seats in the house and possibly some senate seats, possibly enough to change control of at least one house in congress.
I agree, after that we will be able to see who could be run in 28, because MAGA might not be as motivated to vote if Trump is not on the ticket, even if he endorses someone.
Mitt Romney’s policies couldn’t overcome the perception problem he had. A strong economic rebound by 2012 also helped Obama win re-election.
j_hungary
Professional
States were never Trump nor GOP strong suit, that's why they actually lose seat between 22 midterm and 24 elections (They had 8 (7 if you exclude Santos) seat advantage in 22, slashed to 3 in 24)
Unless Trump policy is a resounding success nationally, he isn't going to pick up that state number, and there is no way in hell that he can get America to what he said he would by 26. We will be considered lucky if we don't have a recession by the end of 25, and if Trump dead set on the Tariff, we will have that recession.
What Dem need is to remind the people who bad it is, compare to it was before at the end of Biden's term. And they will have that midterm in the bag. 28 is going to be tricky, we need to know how we ended up in 26 before we can talk about 28. Different situation would have different measure, so I can't really speculate until we are closer to 26.
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
A noticeable increase in xenophobia and poor government services due to staffing cuts may also sway many back to the dems, if only to reign Trump on legislation around funding or defunding these things respectively.
Btw, it’s the response to Trump dramatic shift that is energizing the support of liberals in Canada. So, Canada might be an early litmus test for a similar but foreign population reacts to Trump in a soon to be held election. The key thing to watch is who wins as the new leader, and the background of such a person, how much the liberals pick a person that looks “acceptable” to the national mood in Canada.
Last edited:
j_hungary
Professional
Well, Tariff, Federal Worker Cut and the swing to even more conservative Russia, a GOP friend of mine said to me a couple of weeks ago, he is what you may refer to as "Neocon" He said to me, if we have to buddy up with Russia, why not just go Buddy up with China, at least they have a bigger economy than California to show for.
A lot of conservatives is going to have an issue with Trump sucker up with Putin, that's basically go against their entire belief, they may not show it in public like Marco Rubio(But then his face said it all really) but these people aren't going to vote on the next election because this is not what they wanted.
And then the federal department and funding cut is going to bring down the government, and this will just irk a lot of people, not just republican. And if we are in recession because of those Tariff we don't want, that's literal ball game for Trump. I wonder who is actually talking to him right now, his policy now benefit no one but the rich MAGA people, and you don't need a political science degree to know those MAGA base (not even every MAGA but just the rich one) is not going to get him elected. So I wonder what is done behind close door? They ain't going to go full Project 2025 as they don't have the number in both houses to pull that off, so is it they are trying to sabotage the country or what?
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
The oligarchy of rich MAGA have him, and if the dems move away from looking like they are also bought for narcissists and have a half way decent plan for heal the divisiveness and real balanced policy prescriptions, people will vote for them. But it can’t be another right wing light the way Biden was. People won’t be motivated to come out for anything less than sincerity.
This is where a genuine man of the people has a shot, if he has a decent set of policy prescriptions and can show he can hold his own. This is why Bill has a shot. Nearly the entire democrat party has been discredited.
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
The other thing democrats can do, if get back on track in the big cities they control politically. Pre-pandemic and pre-COVID. New York was relatively safe and gentrification was progressing. The last 4 years have derailed that and the exodus and redistribution based on population loss has hurt the influence of these cities.
These cities need to attract people back to these cities, to gain back their influence and the vision of these cities. Now that inflation has made the cheaper parts of the country not as much of a difference from these areas, these cities have a chance to win back the trend they were on in the 2010s.
These cities need to attract people back to these cities, to gain back their influence and the vision of these cities. Now that inflation has made the cheaper parts of the country not as much of a difference from these areas, these cities have a chance to win back the trend they were on in the 2010s.
j_hungary
Professional
for some reason I didn't get notified of your post......
Anyway, if I was the dem, I would probably try to push to the magic 60. Depends on how Trump unfold his term, he may be just pissing enough people off for the dem to pull this off, this is going to be a bitch to pull this off but if he is pissing off enough people in their cereal, Dem may have a chance. But for this to happen, they need to get someone in quick that can lead and start pushing the right button.
Harris is all but disappeared after the election, and you can't have the head of the party (since you were in the ticket) to just go out like that, you need a person who can lead by the front and then reengage with voter that way, election campaign started the moment you loses that election, and that is almost 5 months ago.
I agree the right leaning policy by the dem is fatal in the last election, I mean Dem parading with GOP politician just confuse people I mean if I were to vote on right leaning policy, why don't I just vote for GOP?? But as I said before, I don't know if Bill Burr is going to be right for the job.
Users who are viewing this thread
Country Watch Latest
-
-
-
8 crew members dead after B-52 bomber crashes at California’s Edwards Air Force Base (5 Viewers)- Latest: Trailer23
-
TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions (8 Viewers)- Latest: MMM-E
-
