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Gunmen in Iran kill nine foreign nationals near Pakistan border - report​


DUBAI, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Unidentified gunmen have killed nine foreign nationals in southeastern Iran near the Pakistani border, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported on Saturday, amid efforts by the two countries to mend ties after tit-for-tat attacks.

Mehr said no individuals or groups had claimed responsibility for the shootings in the restless Sistan-Baluchestan province.

The Baluch rights group Haalvash said on its website that the victims were Pakistani labourers who lived at an auto repair shop where they worked. Three others were wounded, it said.

Iran has some of the lowest fuel prices in the world and this has also led to fuel-smuggling to Pakistan and Afghanistan.


this border region is turning into Afghanistan, totally lawless under IRI.
 
Persian Gulf said:

Gunmen in Iran kill nine foreign nationals near Pakistan border - report​


DUBAI, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Unidentified gunmen have killed nine foreign nationals in southeastern Iran near the Pakistani border, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported on Saturday, amid efforts by the two countries to mend ties after tit-for-tat attacks.

Mehr said no individuals or groups had claimed responsibility for the shootings in the restless Sistan-Baluchestan province.

The Baluch rights group Haalvash said on its website that the victims were Pakistani labourers who lived at an auto repair shop where they worked. Three others were wounded, it said.

Iran has some of the lowest fuel prices in the world and this has also led to fuel-smuggling to Pakistan and Afghanistan.


this border region is turning into Afghanistan, totally lawless under IRI.
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Pakistan and Iran need a hotline and a joint force. May be dedicate 5000 soldiers each with access to monitor both sides of the border. Conduct joint operations together and get rid of this menace of the terrorism. Such a force should be exempt from both internal laws of Pakistan and Iran.
 
dbc said:
I said wars cost money. Please don't troll.
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Exactly. I suggest you focus on the betterment of humanity instead of a cost benefit analysis of war or not.
 
Tehrani021 said:
"Picking a fight" and using WMDs on innocent civilians are two different things. Besides, I'm sure those nations today developing WMDs on an NFU basis dont intend to "pick fights" either but will sure try to end it if history repeats itself. If it's good for the geese it's good for the gander.
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There were no innocent civilians during that time. The Germans, Japanese, Italians as well as the allies the US, UK et al. massacred civilians across Europe, Africa, the Pacific and Asia.

I agree, good for geese good for gander and all that but a reality check is advised before any nation embarks down that path.
 
Mr X said:
Pakistan and Iran need a hotline and a joint force. May be dedicate 5000 soldiers each with access to monitor both sides of the border. Conduct joint operations together and get rid of this menace of the terrorism. Such a force should be exempt from both internal laws of Pakistan and Iran.
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Iran has been asking for Pakistani cooperation for years. Given the nature of the Pakistani responses to Iranian strike in Pakistan, it doesn’t seem these members understood how dire the situation is.
 
dbc said:
There were no innocent civilians during that time. The Germans, Japanese, Italians as well as the allies the US, UK et al. massacred civilians across Europe, Africa, the Pacific and Asia.

I agree, good for geese good for gander and all that but a reality check is advised before any nation embarks down that path.
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Of course they were innocent. That would be like a terrorist saying nobody is innocent when they blow everyone up. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

And MAD ensures all parties that that reality check is always in place.
 
dbc said:
There were no innocent civilians during that time. The Germans, Japanese, Italians as well as the allies the US, UK et al. massacred civilians across Europe, Africa, the Pacific and Asia.

I agree, good for geese good for gander and all that but a reality check is advised before any nation embarks down that path.
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Targeting civilians is always condemned.
There is no such thing as a guilty civilian.
 
Tehrani021 said:
Of course they were innocent.
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At that time, to the belligerent party, the enemy was the enemy whether they were armed and wore a uniform or they were out plowing the field to sow crops.

It appears we haven't evolved, we continue to target civilians, innocent or otherwise.
 
jauk said:
Iran has been asking for Pakistani cooperation for years. Given the nature of the Pakistani responses to Iranian strike in Pakistan, it doesn’t seem these members understood how dire the situation is.
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Well I understand the seriousness of this matter but I am telling the only right way forward. Peace is the only solution we have with Iran, not because we are scared of Iran but we already have two problematic border fronts with India and Afghanistan and have no intentions to open the third border front.

I also believe that Pakistan is probably the only nation which generally have positive opinion about Iran and I would say over 80% of people are sympathetic towards Iran despite largely being Sunni Muslim country. This opinion can change quickly if god forbid we are involved in multiple strikes in the future.

Iran took a bad decision of firing the missiles and under most circumstances it was an open invitation to the war however Pakistan did respond more sensibly by doing a counter strike and engaging in dialogue to minimise the tension at the same time.

If my understanding is correct, there is a force dedicated to resolve these border issues but they operate independently and my understand is, there have been numerous tips by Iran to requesting Pakistani force to act upon but most of the tips were proven to be either inaccurate or the forces were too late to react due to the red tape of following the SOPs. The same has happened in Iranian side of the border as well so in my opinion so they have a special unit of soldiers as a joint force and operate on both sides of the border together without worrying the SOPs and it could prove to be more effective approach.

Anyways back to topic
 
Mr X said:
Well I understand the seriousness of this matter but I am telling the only right way forward. Peace is the only solution we have with Iran, not because we are scared of Iran but we already have two problematic border fronts with India and Afghanistan and have no intentions to open the third border front.
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I would add another reason (which applies to both Iran and Pakistan): we are permanent neighbours, so no matter how much we can dislike the actions of the other at one moment, that won't change permanent geography. In light of that, why fight when we can work together? We don't have adverse territorial disputes or any other strategic disagreements, so the only logical path is friendly and mutually beneficial cooperation.
 
Mr X said:
Pakistan and Iran need a hotline and a joint force. May be dedicate 5000 soldiers each with access to monitor both sides of the border. Conduct joint operations together and get rid of this menace of the terrorism. Such a force should be exempt from both internal laws of Pakistan and Iran.
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As things are currently ,this wont happen, even if Pakistan wants it also. why? US will veto Pakistan doing any serious joint military action with Iran, and Pakistan will follow those US instructions to not cooperate with Iran. GEopolitically, Paksitan is between a rock and a hard place, literally- between India (difficult and non-functional relationship) and Iran (tense and non-functional relationship).

The proof that Pakistan is not under US control is weak or absent- lets stop being emotional and stick to the facts.
 
Persian Gulf said:

Gunmen in Iran kill nine foreign nationals near Pakistan border - report​


DUBAI, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Unidentified gunmen have killed nine foreign nationals in southeastern Iran near the Pakistani border, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported on Saturday, amid efforts by the two countries to mend ties after tit-for-tat attacks.

Mehr said no individuals or groups had claimed responsibility for the shootings in the restless Sistan-Baluchestan province.

The Baluch rights group Haalvash said on its website that the victims were Pakistani labourers who lived at an auto repair shop where they worked. Three others were wounded, it said.

Iran has some of the lowest fuel prices in the world and this has also led to fuel-smuggling to Pakistan and Afghanistan.


this border region is turning into Afghanistan, totally lawless under IRI.
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The Iranian military and govt believed up until now that any serious threats to Iran's security will come from either Iraq/Kurdistan, or from the Persian gulf (Aliyev realized that Azerbaijan's nice infrastructure and wealth will evaporate quickly if Iranian missiles start flying, so he "backed off" from threatening Iran seriously), but it seems Iran's govt will need to accept that Iran's future and serious military threats will come from the Pakistan+ Afghanistan borders, that is what the "writing on the wall" is telling me. Peace and security arent coming to Iran from the Pakistan or Afghanistan border. Something must be done, Iran will have to go on a major military and security buildup on the Pakistani border (at the minimum). Afghanistan seems a bit too divided, distracted and dependent on Iran to cause major issues for Iran atm.
 
Mr X said:
Well I understand the seriousness of this matter but I am telling the only right way forward. Peace is the only solution we have with Iran, not because we are scared of Iran but we already have two problematic border fronts with India and Afghanistan and have no intentions to open the third border front.

I also believe that Pakistan is probably the only nation which generally have positive opinion about Iran and I would say over 80% of people are sympathetic towards Iran despite largely being Sunni Muslim country. This opinion can change quickly if god forbid we are involved in multiple strikes in the future.

Iran took a bad decision of firing the missiles and under most circumstances it was an open invitation to the war however Pakistan did respond more sensibly by doing a counter strike and engaging in dialogue to minimise the tension at the same time.

If my understanding is correct, there is a force dedicated to resolve these border issues but they operate independently and my understand is, there have been numerous tips by Iran to requesting Pakistani force to act upon but most of the tips were proven to be either inaccurate or the forces were too late to react due to the red tape of following the SOPs. The same has happened in Iranian side of the border as well so in my opinion so they have a special unit of soldiers as a joint force and operate on both sides of the border together without worrying the SOPs and it could prove to be more effective approach.

Anyways back to topic
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The ‘right way forward’ can only be judged on past performance. Hopefully Pakistan will wake up. I find it unlikely due to simple prioritization—India and China. Couple this with their dire economic and political situation-the chances of Pakistan addressing this are slim. Iran has far less acceptance of loose security than Pakistan does. In balance this will happen again with pin point strikes against anti-Iranian terrorists inside Pakistan vs token allowance of show retaliations. The recent events fulfilled real Iranian goals, maintained initiative, and a higher step in the escalation ladder—while in exchange Pakistan received ‘feel good’ fluff. As an Iranian I’m satisfied with this exchange. Unfortunately, I believe India and China also took note and not to the benefit of Pakistan.

I believe Iran is cognizant of the terrible bind Pakistan is in. Iran does NOT want to add to this. Instability in Pakistan does not benefit Iran—UNLESS it physically impacts Iran and concerns fall on deaf ears. Like it did before. As such, Pakistan has to adjust priorities as much as it’s capable and change the dynamics as you suggest. Again not sure it can.

Hopefully this won’t happen again.

However, nothing in the past indicates it won’t.
 
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