Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

Backup is different from the entire Iranian military. The Americans wanted to pull off a similar plan for saving the US diplomats. It didn't end well for them though, but it failed because of a sand storm, not because we stopped them.

Dude, 5 million illegal Afghans have crossed the border in 2 years. Do you think Israel can't send a few thousand commandos inside Iran in plain clothes? This is probably why Israel claims they need time to prepare for this plan. Obviously, they don't intend to heliboard them to Isfahan or Qom.

They don't even have to enter together at once. They can enter from different borders (and God knows we have plenty of border with neighboring countries, most of them are US-infested, extremely insecure and unguarded by us and we know for sure that the US and Israel are present there, particularly in Erbil, Republic of Azerbaijan, the UAE, Qatar, even Afghanistan and Turkmenistan).

They assembled a quadcopter that crashed into a military facility near Natanz a few years ago. They assassinated Ismail Haiyeh in the middle of Tehran. They assassinated our top nuclear expert with a satellite-controlled machine gun in Damavand (near Tehran). They killed and injured 6 of our nuclear scientists in the middle of Tehran with magnet bombs. So, it's not like Mossad has no presence in Iran and they haven't done similar things before.

It's still a stupid plan though.

Americans tried when Iran had 0 IADS and 0 radar coverage

No matter what they did in the past, sending a commando group comprised of rag tag West Asian terrorists that crossed the borders to raid the number 1 most valuable site in Iran is doomed to fail, if it had even the slightest chance of success, they would have tried decades ago, when the facilities were less guarded with barely any radar coverage and even worse borders. What they did in the past doesn't change anything to the success chances of this. So far all raid attempts were dealt with in recent history (raid of villages and police stations). The fact that they assassinated, sent quadcopters, won't make this plan look more realistic

The spies inside Iran, unless if they are in tens of thousands with advanced weaponry such as drones, ATGM, are not enough to raid that kind of site. And i'll not talk about the "stealth raid" because this is ridiculous and out of real world, we are not in Call of Duty Black Ops

If we were talking about some petrochemical site or a warehouse i would agree it is feasible and even, but we are talking about the most critical site in Iran

If the US assists them, there is no need to do this at all, prolonged air campaign would suffice

 

[ShapurII]

Americans tried when Iran had 0 IADS and 0 radar coverage

No matter what they did in the past, sending a commando group comprised of rag tag West Asian terrorists that crossed the borders to raid the number 1 most valuable site in Iran is doomed to fail, if it had even the slightest chance of success, they would have tried decades ago, when the facilities were less guarded with barely any radar coverage and even worse borders. What they did in the past doesn't change anything to the success chances of this. So far all raid attempts were dealt with in recent history (raid of villages and police stations). The fact that they assassinated, sent quadcopters, won't make this plan look more realistic

The spies inside Iran, unless if they are in tens of thousands with advanced weaponry such as drones, ATGM, are not enough to raid that kind of site. And i'll not talk about the "stealth raid" because this is ridiculous and out of real world, we are not in Call of Duty Black Ops

If we were talking about some petrochemical site or a warehouse i would agree it is feasible and even, but we are talking about the most critical site in Iran

If the US assists them, there is no need to do this at all, prolonged air campaign would suffice

Our radar coverage in the east is still pretty much non-existent. Nothing much has changed since then in that area. Most of our radars cover our Western regions, Isfahan, Qom and Tehran.

Actually, what they have done in the past successfully does change a lot. It's all about risk analysis at this point (it's a hypothetical scenario) and previous success stories do change the predicted outcome of a risky scenario.
I was the person who suggested Iran actually let Mossad acquire our top-secret nuclear documents as a measure to prevent them from doing something stupid and to show them how much we know about nuclear weapons, but if Mossad did actually acquire those physical documents and evidence on their own, they have already infiltrated one of our top-secret nuclear buildings once, and without detection.

Edit: Still not convinced? Stuxnet. The Americans managed to infect our air-gapped network at Natanz and even 20 years after that, nobody knows how they did that. We didn't even know Stuxnet existed for a long while, until Israel decided to aggressively reprogram our centrifuges to rotate faster. The NSA didn't like that idea at all and if it weren't for the stupidity of Israelis, who knows how long Stuxnet would've stayed undetected in our systems?

They don't need tens of thousands of men. Even a few thousand would suffice if utilized properly.

The US is not in favor a military campaign against Iran because it is costly and there's the chance of pro-longed war and ballistic attacks on US assets. They can support Israel in this operation with plausible deniability. Apples and oranges.

 

[tsunset]

Our radar coverage in the east is still pretty much non-existent. Nothing much has changed since then in that area. Most of our radars cover our Western regions, Isfahan, Qom and Tehran.

Actually, what they have done in the past successfully does change a lot. It's all about risk analysis at this point (it's a hypothetical scenario) and previous success stories do change the predicted outcome of a risky scenario.
I was the person who suggested Iran actually let Mossad acquire our top-secret nuclear documents as a measure to prevent them from doing something stupid and to show them how much we know about nuclear weapons, but if Mossad did actually acquire those physical documents and evidence on their own, they have already infiltrated one of our top-secret nuclear buildings once, and without detection.

Edit: Still not convinced? Stuxnet. The Americans managed to infect our air-gapped network at Natanz and even 20 years after that, nobody knows how they did that. We didn't even know Stuxnet existed for a long while, until Israel decided to aggressively reprogram our centrifuges to rotate faster. The NSA didn't like that idea at all and if it weren't for the stupidity of Israelis, who knows how long Stuxnet would've stayed undetected in our systems?

They don't need tens of thousands of men. Even a few thousand would suffice if utilized properly.

The US is not in favor a military campaign against Iran because it is costly and there's the chance of pro-longed war and ballistic attacks on US assets. They can support Israel in this operation with plausible deniability. Apples and oranges.

The documents are renowned bullshit warmongering hasbara claiming that Israeli shinobis stealthly stole some documents in a building, anyone can print documents and write whatever they want, like Iran is going to put the most critical nationwide documents on some table in the middle of a warehouse? Who is seriously going to believe in those pixie stories? It has literally become a meme portraying the Hollywood stories of AngloJews

This hasbara is tied to the F-35s that "flew for hours above Tehran" and in the same category as the "all air defenses destroyed"

Proofless speculative hasbara is not going to make such an operation get closer to reality, again it would have been done back in the days when the situation was worse than now

Also there is no such thing as "top secret nuclear building", or at least since 2003. Those are pure AngloJew lies to make Israel look like top IQ modern ninjas and reinforce the "Israeli IQ better" narrative

 

[ShapurII]

The documents are renowned bullshit warmongering hasbara claiming that Israeli shinobis stealthly stole some documents in a building, anyone can print documents and write whatever they want, like Iran is going to put the most critical nationwide documents on some table in the middle of a warehouse? Who is seriously going to believe in those pixie stories? It has literally become a meme portraying the Hollywood stories of AngloJews

This hasbara is tied to the F-35s that "flew for hours above Tehran" and in the same category as the "all air defenses destroyed"

Proofless speculative hasbara is not going to make such an operation get closer to reality, again it would have been done back in the days when the situation was worse than now

Also there is no such thing as "top secret nuclear building", or at least since 2003. Those are pure AngloJew lies to make Israel look like top IQ modern ninjas and reinforce the "Israeli IQ better" narrative

No, they are more likely legit than "renown bullshit". First of all, these documents do align very well with data from the IAEA about Iran's past activities and analysis by people like David Albright. Secondly, Netanyahu exposed the Turquz-Abad warehouse as a secret nuclear storage based on those documents and the IAEA have already verified HEU contamination there. It is part of the ongoing case between Iran and the IAEA as we speak. So, nope. The documents could very well be fabricated, but they contain some previously unknown information that have been publicly verified. So, not bullshit at all.

The rest of your response is blah blah blah. We all know that Stuxnet happened and went undetected and dormant for years (until Israel chose to activate it against the wish of the Americans). We all know that Fakhrizadeh was assassinated near Tehran by a satellite-controlled machine gun. We all know that Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated in a high-security building in Tehran. We all know that 6 of our nuclear scientists were killed with magnet bombs in Tehran. These are all confirmed incidents, publicly and officially acknowledged by the Islamic Republic and blamed on the US and Israel. Even our President and Minister of Foreign Affairs died under very questionable circumstances in a helicopter crash and we don't know how it happened after a year.

 

[Lulldapull]

Could be. And they can enter more agents through our widely open borders. If bare-footed illegal Afghans can do that with $500, why can't Mossad?

However, I don't think this plan (even if it exists) would ever materialize. I mean it was a stupid "plan" to begin with, but now that it has been exposed to the public (even if it's part of their "bad police" vs. "good police" or only as a negotiation tactic, it raises alertness in our intelligence community), it's even harder to carry this out now.

The hardest part of this operation is to execute it in total silence, or create enough chaos for their agents to get away after their missions. So, they either need to orchestrate something really big as a distraction (like a series of huge explosions in Tehran near important locations like the House of the Leader or the residence of the President for distraction), or do all of this in complete silence.

This covert infiltration of Iran is the most serious threat by the Zios. Military threat nobody in Iran breaking much of a sweat, but everyone knows Iran is a huge country with a very small population in only half a dozen cities if that. Rest of the country practically 99% totally empty.

If you were to deport all the illegal migrants today, the population is really hovering around the 70 million mark at best.

Its very hard to defend against covert infiltration/ man the borders and prevent people entering.

Just look at the US.......they've been barging in like crazy busting down the fences and razor wire and whatnot.

How in da hell do you stop infiltration?......If the US has failed, evidently.......there's no hope for Iran. Our Pakistan already fukked by Afghani and Rohingya/ Bangladeshi and Indians. Long ago!

@Davey Crockett @AZ_HighCountry @Hamartia Antidote

 

[ShapurII]

This covert infiltration of Iran is the most serious threat by the Zios. Military threat nobody in Iran breaking much of a sweat, but everyone knows Iran is a huge country with a very small population in only half a dozen cities if that. Rest of the country practically 99% totally empty.

If you were to deport all the illegal migrants today, the population is really hovering around the 70 million mark at best.

Its very hard to defend against covert infiltration.

I don't think the illegal immigrants are more than 7-8 million people, but the point is that we have near zero control over our borders. And as you said, it's a large country with really low density.

Also, don't forget that devaluation of the Iranian currency and job safety make recruitment in Iran very easy. The salary of an average Joe working for the Iranian government is around $250-$350 per month. On top of that, the government rarely hires people officially. Instead, they make you sign contracts with proxy HR companies to refuse to hire you officially. So, your salary is really low and you have really poor job security. So, imagine how easy it should be to recruit people that are so grossly underpaid and feel little loyalty to where they work.

 

[Lulldapull]

How do you defend this land area from Zio infiltration with barely 70 million population? or more like half a million total armed forces?

Its just too hard no?

 

[maverick]

How do you defend this land area from Zio infiltration with barely 70 million population? or more like half a million total armed forces?

Its just too hard no?

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Pakistanis has 240Mill people and they all are jobless, get them and pay them brishers always used them for 200 years

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistanis has 240Mill people and they all are jobless, get them and pay them brishers always used them for 200 years

stop making fun of our people! We never involved ourselves in the ME drama, and never will.

 

[tsunset]

The Saudis are clearly doing everything they can to not be targeted in case of an attack on Iran

This approach is unique to KSA compared to UAE and Bahrain, KSA wants to be safe from any attack through diplomacy, seeing that they will lose a lot for little to no reward in exchange, Bahrain would be the major target in case something happens

 

[Comandante]

I didn't think Iran was that stupid. The leaders didn't learn anything from history, for example from the case of Iraq. Iraq was attacked when they were sure it didn't have chemical weapons. Iran will be attacked when they are sure it doesn't have nuclear weapons. The Iranian leadership is naive, I hope the IRGC prevents this betrayal. Even if the uranium stockpile is taken to Russia, it will be a mistake. It won't stop Israel and the US will overlook everything it does. Pakistan, India are nuclear powers. Iran has even more right to be one. When the first test explosion happens, and there will be at least 10 nuclear bombs, it will be quiet. It's not necessary to threaten the US, its surrounding bases are enough.

 

[FUB]

Interesting view on Zionist claims
They are highly probable hasbara.

1—The armed forces probably have more confidence in BAVAR 373 AD and other locally made systems.

2- Second possibility, Iran's ADFS are moving the S300 Units to avoid them being picked up by spy satellites

3- Least likely scenario,, some of the units were damaged and are being repaired and refurbished.

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[Lulldapull]

Irans winning guys........hands down.......so evident.

Now, the Israelis will try sabotaging the narrative/ developments......lol

as usual.

Irans fukkin zeroed in on da Zio drama......its very hard for Israel to escape this noose.

Khamenei will hang Netanyahu, by hook or by crook.

Just a matter of time.......

 

[vmro]

The Saudis are clearly doing everything they can to not be targeted in case of an attack on Iran

This approach is unique to KSA compared to UAE and Bahrain, KSA wants to be safe from any attack through diplomacy, seeing that they will lose a lot for little to no reward in exchange, Bahrain would be the major target in case something happens

New approach of Saudi is attracting global stars and hosting popular events, positive rebranding...But Iran already made it clear how vulnerable are their strategic assets, so they need of friendly Iran at any cost

 

[Assyrian]

New approach of Saudi is attracting global stars and hosting popular events, positive rebranding...But Iran already made it clear how vulnerable are their strategic assets, so they need of friendly Iran at any cost

Who is gonna target the saudis or any GCC member in that case?

Nobody dares to target them unless it is all out war between them and whomever it is. The Saudis and GCC policy is simple to understand if other people want to go to war fine but just don´t include me and keep your wars over there.

GCC and SAUDI could absolutely flatline Iran if provacations were to come to shove they have larger airforce then Israel and have the one thing that is threat against Iran which is manpower and regional allies If the SAUDIS join in on a conflict against Iran then Iran will get invaded but the US and Israel can´t without the GCC.

Where are the Americans gonna attack from is the question? they need land-corridor the question is who is gonna open that land-corridor it will only be possible If Iran only unfriends the Saudis then the corridor will open this time not for empty strikes but an actual ground invasion from Pakistan, Hormuz, Thru Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey and Azerbaijan.

As a matter fact the Saudis are the only thing standing against Iran being invaded and a lifeline after they have normalized and the only entity keeping a ground invasion on Iran at bay thru their influence.