Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

Bigda_Jatt said:
A good economy would have put Pakistan easily in the good books of Middle Eastern countries, the money part would have enabled Pakistan to do joint ventures and projects while keeping the lion's share in terms of Technology and Business part.
Somewhere in my mind I still feel that the Pakistan Air Force isn't comfortable with the Chinese jets, it may not be like that, but it is just my observation, they like Western equipment more for its reliability and output in critical situations.
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That is not the case - starting from the JF-17 they have been fairly reliable and effective. And the current J-10Cs are comparable to any western jet based on its operators.

You need to understand that the Chinese unlike the Russians focused on emulating western design - but with the caveat that being the world’s factory for the longest time have quality for every price point.

I worked with their Chipsets and those from TI for a radio and they quoted us 5 different prices. Same chipset - different levels of manufacturing integrity. So when in desi land you hear woes of quality - just know you aren’t paying them enough for it. They have the quality - especially with military hardware and its meant for local use. But if you want it, you have to pay for it.

The PAF is extremely happy with the JF-17 for its price point and more so with the J-10. Those days of heavy rotations on rebuild for F-6s and F-7s or A-5s are long gone.

It would be wise that Indian public (because the next competition is with India becoming the world’s factory against China) note what quality means when it comes to Chinese goods and that it may actually be a good approach to take as well.
 
Oscar said:
Those days of heavy rotations on rebuild for F-6s and F-7s or A-5s are long gone.
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Yet the PAF has kept Jf-17 numbers around 20 per squadron, like with the F-7s, while it is comfortable with smaller numbers on the F-16 (4.5 squadrons from 76 airframes at an avg of 17/ squadron). Has to be a function of expected maintenance load among other things.
 
m52k85 said:
Yet the PAF has kept Jf-17 numbers around 20 per squadron, like with the F-7s, while it is comfortable with smaller numbers on the F-16 (4.5 squadrons from 76 airframes at an avg of 17/ squadron). Has to be a function of expected maintenance load among other things.
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Higher flight hours too across the fleet since the JF-17 is treated pretty “rough” comparatively to the F-16.
 
Oscar said:
Higher flight hours too across the fleet since the JF-17 is treated pretty “rough” comparatively to the F-16.
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The F-16s are indeed treated with more compassion, that I can agree with.
 
Oscar said:
The PAF would have purchased its full wishlist of 180 F-16s , topped it off with a Eurofighter or Rafale while keeping the JF-17 to replace everything else.

Today they would still have the AWACS element but probably a lot more SAMs and transport elements.

But in general the stance would not be different - its not just about money to purchase but sustainability as well. Not just in terms of the equipment but also in terms of personnel and infrastructure. Have a look on how much the IAF has to spend there and the budgets will become clearer - IAF still does a decent job considering the mills around its neck due to legacy decisions.
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Paf wouldn't have had jf17 then
 
Oscar said:
Higher flight hours too across the fleet since the JF-17 is treated pretty “rough” comparatively to the F-16.
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How much % of workload has the Thunder taken off the PAF F-16s, compared to before its induction??
 
I think PAF is on the right track if ZDK are getting phased out
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Buying Chinese early warning system and then returning it back to them is not a good sign of either good Chinese military hardware or Pakistani desire to go for cheap systems. If Pakistan has no money to purchase or built its own then cheap worthless hardware is no answer.
 
Hari Sud said:
Buying Chinese early warning system and then returning it back to them is not a good sign of either good Chinese military hardware or Pakistani desire to go for cheap systems. If Pakistan has no money to purchase or built its own then cheap worthless hardware is no answer.
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That not true infact is a total fabrication of events.
PAF bought it when it had no other option, it did its job well n gave PAF a look into a capability it never had......then PAF bought a better option on line, one which it knows inside out due to a sad event.

The Chinese systems have improved by leap n bounds over the years n at this pace of development n advancement soon the world will be playing catch up
 
ziaulislam said:
Paf wouldn't have had jf17 then
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The PAF was always interested in a lighter (and cheaper) fighter to complement the F-16. In the 1980s, it semi-evaluated the F-20 Tigershark and Sabre-II. The evaluation team could not finish testing the F-20 because the fighter wasn't ready for weapon delivery tests, and Northrop then shelved it. The Sabre-II fell through due to US sanctions on China and rising costs.

That said, if the PAF was able to build its F-16 fleet to 150~180 aircraft, then it wouldn't need the JF-17 as we know it today. With the F-16 in play, the PAF likely would've taken the same road as Taiwan or South Korea, i.e., build something closer in size to a LIFT for point-defense and light attack roles.
 
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