Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[RAJPUT]

India is taking 5 counter steps on diplomatic front ....and openly threateni g to strike at GHQ and major military bases.....in coming days.....indian media is claiming to have support from entire muslim coyntries and West ......

Pakistani Govt is currently in complete silence .....

Attacking the GHQ
Lindu Goons are dumb, not that dumb.

 

[hembo]

And we want to see Modi the butcher of Gujrat to be hung publicly at the red fort

Partition of India is inevitable,, you can see the poison swirling inside India, the agitation of Indian Muslims, the hatred and enmity between Indian Muslims and the sanghi masses

It's a matter of time before it all cracks

I gotta give it to you bro for your relentless single focused dream.

 

[TallGuy]

i was hoping they would launch brahmos and we got fire the Ghaznavis or Fattah as it is in fashion (recent TPI & TPII and DoR) but i think Now they have the Rafale so may Be IAF will attempt to Target LOC military installations of Pakistan Army.

 

[hussain0216]

Exactly, People should not get fired up, the best course of action for India will be to grow and reach at such a level that no one will dare to repeat such acts in future, and we are at least 20 years behind in achieving that goal.

Your 20 millenniums behind, it will NEVER happen

India is distrusted and hated in the entire region a d divided internally

India was a mistake from the beginning

 

[suriya]

2008 all over again? Tu aa. Nehi tu aa pehle! I guess it suits India as it can sustain the economic pressure of a build up better now.

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[Meengla]

Back channel messages were sent to the BJP government the first time round when Modi threatened it. He quietened down. It was widely reported in the press at the time. Now it's case of we will take our 'share' of the waters, which Pakistan sign up for.

I remember that. The then Defense Minister of Pakistan Khwaja Asif categorically called 'an Act of war against Pakistan' if India messed with Pakistan's water supply. I think it must have been between 2013-2018.

Gen Ayub cowardly surrendered three rivers (Beas, Ravi, and Sutlej) to India under that treaty. Politics aside, drying up three big rivers had very grave environmental impact for not only Pakistan but also the region. If the treaty is gone, Pakistan can re-claim these three rivers back to their natural course/flow. Pakistan militarily is in much better condition as compared to when it was signed.

There had/has been a lot of resentment in Pakistan over the Indus Water Treaty but Pakistan don't talk about revoking that. It is done and dusted. Stick with your words! You signed on the 'dotted lines'.

No its still very much relevant. What happened with Israel is an exception. Israel basically would get a free pass even if it nuked tehran tomorrow. But India aint israel, It doesnt have that backing in the U.S and West. If you look at the long term objectives of MAGA, you will realize that in the long run , the republicans see India as a rival not an ally. U.S wants to bring manufactoring back to the Mainland. Hence the tarrifs

Israel is an exception but does anyone really thinks if there is some Resolution in Indus Water Treaty or anything which would even remotely harm China in UNSC then Americans wouldn't side with the Indians? And even if some non-UN body voted against India. Who is going to enforce it?? Didn't some international court passed a verdict against China over South China Seas some years ago but who is to enforce that? Who'd put 'boots on the ground' because that would be ultimately required to enforce international rulings.
It is J.U.N.G.L.E out there guys a JUNGLE!

You waited to build any dams on the rivers while India went ahead and practically controlled the flows. If India chooses to, it can devastate our agricultural business, among other derivative sectors.

You are right: Pakistanis have been waiting forever to build dams and much of the blame goes to the stupid Sindhis and then some to the Pashtuns. Scientific studies have repeatedly tried to allay their fears but no ruler in Pakistan--not even the brutal Zia ul Haq--had the balls to build the Kalabagh Dam and more dams. Heck, they are fighting over some canals in Cholistan while Indians have made a chunk of similar desert across the border in Rajasthan to bloom. Stupid assess!!

Cpec is really china trying to make Pakistan a proper state as well as china having more regional presence
Pakistan was invaluable even before cpec, it's a distant but effective option to keep India regionally locked in, with limited ambition and reach
Ending a water treaty abruptly gives china diplomatic ammo

I don't think China is going to sit idle. China must know IF there is a wider plot then China is a target. Trump is OBSESSED with punishing China.

Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons for security assurances. Which did nothing in term of actual security caused it further escalation . Russia would not have taken Crimea or invaded if they had “nukes”. And this is reason why no one should give up their nuclear weapons. On Pakistan, we have built up a very healthy stockpiles of weapons have a huge man power we can tap into if it needs be for a very long conflict. Our secured equipment comes from next door china who can ramp up supplies for us. No long logistics chain or multiple sources for us that can be disrupted during war. oil & gas Islamabad will immediately tap into Irans from next door secured unrestricted supplies unlike yours . . The answer isyes Pakistan can fight a very long war. If she wishes.

You always have a way to bring in fresh ideas which no one mentions. Good!

 

[TallGuy]

2008 all over again? Tu aa. Nehi tu aa pehle! I guess it suits India as it can sustain the economic pressure of a build up better now.

Geopolitics is far more then you see.

 

[suriya]

i was hoping they would launch brahmos and we got fire the Ghaznavis or Fattah as it is in fashion (recent TPI & TPII and DoR) but i think Now they have the Rafale so may Be IAF will attempt to Target LOC military installations of Pakistan Army.

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[Ak01]

i was hoping they would launch brahmos and we got fire the Ghaznavis or Fattah as it is in fashion (recent TPI & TPII and DoR) but i think Now they have the Rafale so may Be IAF will attempt to Target LOC military installations of Pakistan Army.

umeed hai, id love to see some fireworks!

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

If this treaty ceasing has actual existential effect on parts of Pakistan, let's suppose....then china will involve itself, that's not a leap as china we know sits on top

But that could all be moot, it depends what effect the treaty ending has, what measures Pakistan can take to mitigate any effect, we are just talking in the extrema here....as usual.

If any effect does not materialise or mitigated then of course china is not relevant

It doesn’t affect Pakistan water short term. But long term India can build tunnels on chenab to divert some of water to mainland. Very very expensive but possible.

For now Pakistan can play full victim card, water is no joke. Even nuclear war cannot be ruled out now. Go down but take with you 1.5 billion.

 

[the vicious kind]

There is a problem with that theory. 90% of Brahmaputara's water came from territory south of Himalayas, only 10% of the water comes from Tibet. Same with Indus river. Vast majority of water originate south of Himalayan mountains, not from the north. North of the mountain (Tibet) is a desert and even the most of the glacier flow originates from the southern slope of the mountain. In the north of the mountain, annual rainfall is less than 400mm, while south of the mountain, it's 3,000mm, contributing to much of the glacier formations and water flow. Ie, even though Tibet is 40% catchment area for Brahmaputra, most of the water comes from wetter southern slope of Himalayas (India). Read more here (https://www.preventionweb.net/news/choking-brahmaputras-flow-much-ado-about-nothing )

Even if China dams entire water, it won't have any significant effect. India can always dam brahmaputra ( and screw Bangladesh) to make up for any reduction in water flow.

It doesnt work like that. TIbet is still the source of Brahmaputra and China still controls the headwaters of that river. Dams at the source give China the ability to store or alter water release timing, even if total volume impact is limited.
Brahmaputra is a highly sediment-rich river. Chinese dams could trap sediment, alter flood cycles, and disrupt the downstream.

China has already shown on the Mekong River that control over headwaters, even with lower contribution to volume, can have outsized impact downstream during droughts.
Just google the impact of China controlling Mekong Headwaters has had on downstream countries.

 

[Yasser76]

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Tweet of crazed Indian defence commentators dont count as military action, sorry to burst your bubble

 

[Sharma Ji]

If this treaty ceasing has actual existential effect on parts of Pakistan, let's suppose....then china will involve itself, that's not a leap as china we know sits on top

But that could all be moot, it depends what effect the treaty ending has, what measures Pakistan can take to mitigate any effect, we are just talking in the extrema here....as usual.

If any effect does not materialise or mitigated then of course china is not relevant

Probably best we wait for now and watch as things unravel, no point getting too caught up in it.

 

[Musings]

@Musings Can you now put him out of his misery?

Ye I was wanting articulate open debating with variable opinions. I was wishful
Thinking. He won’t bother this thread again bro

 

[Arsalan45]

Pakistan shouldn’t worry about indus water treaty but Pakistan should definitely seek assistance on this matter. Indus water treaty is like face saving for Indian government but their public wants war and modi is under pressure.

India might do something later like dropping long range bombs to save face etc. after balakot, they said that they don’t want to engage pak armed forces and attack wasn’t directed towards armed forces. It shows that they are already scared from inside. After paf domination, they are now more scared. They know if pakistan retaliates this time, they will have to start a war and short war will cause more damage to india than Pakistan.

Thing is if they attack, we should respond. They don’t have any upper hand. Their media journalists public all are psychopaths. I read lots of hilarious tweets from their side. They know our capability. I don’t want to talk about our internal politics and imran khan. If war happens, I am ready to fight alongside with my army. I want to contribute as much as I can. Every political deadlock can be solved through talks and in a friendly way. Paf is very active and it feels good. Paf knows their capabilities. Last time, we locked several of their jets but didn’t fire. This time, we will try to control their side of airspace, complete domination and iaf knows it and is scared already. Be brave. The nation is standing behind you. Blood for blood, bombs for bombs, missiles for missiles.