Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Starlord]

chalo shabash khudi bata do yeh AM RAAD channel ko PDF wala chala raha hai ? koi bhi rumor PDF pe ata hai yeh bhai video bana deta hai 8-10 mins ki.

 

[r3alist]

Bro. I think the real problem is not the scarcity of water resources.

With India's current infrastructure capabilities, he cannot completely cut off the water resources of the river.

However, I think he may take a more despicable means to force Pakistan to attack India first.
“Pulse water release.”
I don't know if you understand what I mean?
This will be a cyclical disaster for Pakistan. If Pakistan does not take corresponding measures and is forced to take the initiative to attack India, it will put Pakistan in a passive position in international public opinion.

Pakistan needs to consider this issue in advance.

Flood pulse concept - Wikipedia

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Tldr; act now or later regret

 

[HRK]

Couple of things....there are no India friendly oil producers in her east....2, ..oil blockade and infrastructure destruction can be done simultaneously

Not necessarily oil producing country if you reread my post India could indirectly import from third country and there are many countries which good relationship with India you can can check the map.

And yes oil blockade and destruction of energy and economic infrastructure could be done simultaneously for shorter period but both task are time consuming and required sustainable efforts for longer duration.

Keep in mind India strategic reserve of oil is many folds than Pakistan and during the last oil crash of oil market India imported large quantity oil to increase the oil reserve, so only blockade would not impact much to India for the period of 30-45 days.

 

[HRK]

Couple of things....there are no India friendly oil producers in her east....2, ..oil blockade and infrastructure destruction can be done simultaneously

Not necessarily oil producing country if you reread my post I said India could "indirectly import oil" from third country and there are many countries which have very good and healthy relationship with India you can can check the map.

And yes oil blockade and destruction of energy and economic infrastructure could be done simultaneously but would a huge task even for shorter period, and both task are time and resources consuming and required sustainable efforts for longer duration.

Keep in mind India strategic reserve of oil is many folds than Pakistan and during the last crash of International oil market India imported large quantities of oil to increase the strategic oil reserves, so only blockade would not impact much to India for the period of 30-45 days.

 

[Taimoor]

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Embarrassing UTurn.. literally.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Northern command is looking solid but the navy must be built up to have the capability to block Indian oil supply routes.

 

[Michael]

Indians are also already in a position of refusing data about rivers to Pakistan as was the requirement for Indus Water Treaty and some Pakistani experts are saying that has immediate bearing on Pakistan.

The Pakistani government should organize a team of water conservancy experts as soon as possible to study the preparatory plan.
In this regard, Pakistan can directly seek help from the Chinese government.
The Chinese Ministry of Water Resources can organize a team of experts to help Pakistan solve this problem.

As for river data...if necessary, the data of the Chinese Ministry of Water Resources is more detailed and accurate than that of India...they have a lot of advanced monitoring methods.

 

[PakFactor]

Its a serious issue and this is a "Discussion" forum, its strange why someone on a discussion forum would query why people are disucssing a topic over x number of pages.

For reference:
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Also if you find the discussion not engaging I can thread ban you that way you don't have to worry if this thread has 300 pages or 1000?

Just ban him from the forum.

Check DM

 

[Maarkhoor]

Last time Indian air force failed miserably by jamming devices by PAF now 17 shipments arrived from Israel and USA to help India but to master that art it requires months if not years.

We have developed by own self and used it successfully but lets see Indian shopping spree help them little.

 

[PakFactor]

Northern command is looking solid but the navy must be built up to have the capability to block Indian oil supply routes.

I have been saying since ages the navy should have built up their own independent air arm; to set off the Indian naval numerical advantage.

 

[Yasser76]

Been away for a long weekend, was half expecting Indian retalitory strikes, instead, from what I have read

1) An IAF plane dropped stores on a house
2) IN Aircraft carrier back in port
3) Pakistanis owning Indians on Social Media
4) Funny clips of our DA in London with tea
5) Indian soldier in custody


Hundreds of posts from Indians, still no action.

Have I summed up the last 2 days correctly?

 

[Meengla]

We're nearly 20 years in to a war on terror that has taken more lives than all our conflicts with India combined, we have much less to lose than you do economically, and most importantly, our awam is not deluded; they know that war with India means means massive casualties, your people seem to think it'll be quick and painless to take on Pakistan, this stupidity I see from Indian nationalists and your media.

Right. And Indians have known for at least the 2-3 decades that the net loss to the Indian economy will be far larger than the losses to the Pakistani economy, which came close to 'default' barely 2-3 years ago. In a prolong war, in a war of attrition, the stronger economy suffers a lot worse. The ongoing Gaza/Yemen vs Israel conflict shows that and it took the immense American support to keep Israel afloat.

The Pakistani government should organize a team of water conservancy experts as soon as possible to study the preparatory plan.
In this regard, Pakistan can directly seek help from the Chinese government.
The Chinese Ministry of Water Resources can organize a team of experts to help Pakistan solve this problem.

Thank you. Pakistan's problems are the stupid ethnic conflicts. Studies after studies have shown the Kalabagh Dam's benefits but some just don't want to pay attention.

As for river data...if necessary, the data of the Chinese Ministry of Water Resources is more detailed and accurate than that of India...they have a lot of advanced monitoring methods.

Unfortunately, the data needed will be from the water flowing in Indian Occupied Kashmir. Those are sensors in rivers and streams and in dams in that region.

 

[r3alist]

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[KingQamaR]

I don't wish for war, far from.

Localised skirmish type bhi ho sakti hai, an air duel maybe, or something on the seas.

You would rather start a war then de-escalate, you need to grow up.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Not possible. We're your peers in terms of tech and capability, the more you'd like to escalate, the further up the ladder we'll follow. Eventually you'd need serious attrition to put a stop to our capacity, and soon thereafter comes the nuclear threshold.

I think your government has done itself a serious disservice with all the posturing and misleading the citizenry. Pre-2014 I heard lots of Modi related bravado from Indian nationalists, back when there was still a delusion abroad of Indian conventional superiority even in a limited conflict. All of that has come to nought in the last engagement.

But now that same government has built an image in all of your imaginations that Pakistan is not a peer adversary, and simply giving the order for your armed forces to let loose will flatten any capacity we have. This is beyond delusional, and believe me.... if I had to bet which nation actually has the stomach to fight, I'd bet on Pakistan.

We're nearly 20 years in to a war on terror that has taken more lives than all our conflicts with India combined, we have much less to lose than you do economically, and most importantly, our awam is not deluded; they know that war with India means means massive casualties, your people seem to think it'll be quick and painless to take on Pakistan, this stupidity I see from Indian nationalists and your media.

Level of delusion is absolutely unreal. Both sides would take extreme damage even conventionally. They would be watching their carrier sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Cities on both sides would be vaporized and with the high population density casualties would be 100k+. Are Indians prepared to go through that suffering?

They are better off accepting Pakistan as modern day Sparta and honoring it.