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[Immortals]

actually i have one question
Did we actually receive any missile with our 300 with longer range than what our system like 3rd of khordad and 15th of khordad have?
did we recieved any missile with range longer than 120-150km, don forget those 30n5 at most have a range of 200km

Irrelevant.

You are not hitting a US or Israeli fighter from 200KM away. Stop obsessing over max distance. This isn’t Call of Duty.

Show me many how many [confirmed] AD-ground based interceptors scored kills from a distance of >150KM since 1960.

You’d be lucky to hit a 5th Gen fighter from 50KM away.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Irrelevant.

You are not hitting a US or Israeli fighter from 200KM away. Stop obsessing over max distance. This isn’t Call of Duty.

Show me many how many [confirmed] AD-ground based interceptors scored kills from a distance of >150KM since 1960.

You’d be lucky to hit a 5th Gen fighter from 50KM away.

let me tell you a secret
the discussion was about replacing long range air defense equipment

 

[Hack-Hook]

Show me many how many [confirmed] AD-ground based interceptors scored kills from a distance of >150KM since 1960.

Russia sets world record, lands first AA kill at range of 217km

Russia broke its former world record in downing warplanes at extremely long ranges.

english.almayadeen.net

S300v4 has proven kill over Ukraine against su24 and su24 up to 217km
S400 have proven kind range of over 150km over Ukraine against su27

Now you show me evidence that Iran received any missile with the range over 120km with s300

 

[Immortals]

Russia sets world record, lands first AA kill at range of 217km

Russia broke its former world record in downing warplanes at extremely long ranges.

english.almayadeen.net

S300v4 has proven kill over Ukraine against su24 and su24 up to 217km
S400 have proven kind range of over 150km over Ukraine against su27

Now you show me evidence that Iran received any missile with the range over 120km with s300

I already knew you were going to cite that example. That’s how predicable it was and also because there is no other claims in last decade? Two decades? Three? Unless you count Syria hitting the Russian SIGNIT plane over Lebanese waters by accident.

The Russian claim to have hit them at over 200KM has not be verified. Especially strange they made that claim, considering that their S-400 and S-300 kept getting destroyed the last 18 months and they have had their airspace routinely penetrated by drones, including some Cessna’s converted into kamikaze drones.

Like I said, hitting a fighter jet at 200KM is nearly impossible unless the fighter jet is extremely poor condition and/or the pilot incompetent.

 

[Flotilla]

I already knew you were going to cite that example. That’s how predicable it was and also because there is no other claims in last decade? Two decades? Three? Unless you count Syria hitting the Russian SIGNIT plane over Lebanese waters by accident.

The Russian claim to have hit them at over 200KM has not be verified. Especially strange they made that claim, considering that their S-400 and S-300 kept getting destroyed the last 18 months and they have had their airspace routinely penetrated by drones, including some Cessna’s converted into kamikaze drones.

Like I said, hitting a fighter jet at 200KM is nearly impossible unless the fighter jet is extremely poor condition and/or the pilot incompetent.

It is possible. But they would do via cooperative engagement. An AEW would track and guide the missile to target. Those extreme ranges are only achievable using OTH tracking.

 

[Comandante]

I already knew you were going to cite that example. That’s how predicable it was and also because there is no other claims in last decade? Two decades? Three? Unless you count Syria hitting the Russian SIGNIT plane over Lebanese waters by accident.

The Russian claim to have hit them at over 200KM has not be verified. Especially strange they made that claim, considering that their S-400 and S-300 kept getting destroyed the last 18 months and they have had their airspace routinely penetrated by drones, including some Cessna’s converted into kamikaze drones.

Like I said, hitting a fighter jet at 200KM is nearly impossible unless the fighter jet is extremely poor condition and/or the pilot incompetent.

The news may be true if the AWACS can continuously update the missile's trajectory data until the missile's control system locks onto the target. In that case, due to the high altitude tracking, the target cannot dive or quickly maneuver to avoid the missile.

 

[MS Sandhu]

The news may be true if the AWACS can continuously update the missile's trajectory data until the missile's control system locks onto the target. In that case, due to the high altitude tracking, the target cannot dive or quickly maneuver to avoid the missile.

AWACS have Search Radars operating in S band
These are early warning sort of stuff,tells fighter jet fire control radars to focus on that particular area.
Can't themselve lock the target.Neither can independently guide the BVR/SAM missile to target

 

[Hack-Hook]

I already knew you were going to cite that example. That’s how predicable it was and also because there is no other claims in last decade? Two decades? Three? Unless you count Syria hitting the Russian SIGNIT plane over Lebanese waters by accident.

The Russian claim to have hit them at over 200KM has not be verified. Especially strange they made that claim, considering that their S-400 and S-300 kept getting destroyed the last 18 months and they have had their airspace routinely penetrated by drones, including some Cessna’s converted into kamikaze drones.

Like I said, hitting a fighter jet at 200KM is nearly impossible unless the fighter jet is extremely poor condition and/or the pilot incompetent.

you still don't get it.
the discussion was about replacing long range air-defense not efficacy of long range air defense

 

[Comandante]

AWACS have Search Radars operating in S band
These are early warning sort of stuff,tells fighter jet fire control radars to focus on that particular area.
Can't themselve lock the target.Neither can independently guide the BVR/SAM missile to target

This has already happened. This is a great innovation of the Russians. The S300 missile was guided to the target by the AWACS system via data link. The target did not even expect the attack because the ground radar no longer saw it.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This has already happened. This is a great innovation of the Russians. The S300 missile was guided to the target by the AWACS system via data link. The target did not even expect the attack because the ground radar no longer saw it.

they don't seem to be able to replicate this. almost every day s-400 fires missiles at Ukraine jets in Sumy but they don't reach the target

 

[Immortals]

they don't seem to be able to replicate this. almost every day s-400 fires missiles at Ukraine jets in Sumy but they don't reach the target

Replicate what? Where is the proof? Because Russia said so? Where is the technical data? Where is the robust 3rd party backed whitepaper of the incident from a credible institute?

The amount of distance a fighter jet can move before a 200KM range air defense missile reaches it is immense. Unless the pilot is dead asleep or is flying a Cessna, if they are worth their salt they will begin evasive maneuvering.

 

[Immortals]

you still don't get it.
the discussion was about replacing long range air-defense not efficacy of long range air defense

And I told you that discussion is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if you have 200KM missile or 500KM missile, if you cannot reliably hit a target at that range (KR % > 60-70%) then it doesn’t matter what you have at that distance you won’t bother wasting precious AD missiles on lottery ticket. You seem to be under impression during war time Iran will have unlimited AD missiles. Iran isn’t Ukraine to have NATO + US + Israel airlifting in interceptors whenever needed. Once that supply is exhausted chances are Iran won’t have infrastructure standing to build high amounts and would rely on Russia or China or North Korea to provide more (assuming the war goes on that long).

furthermore considering the only planes penetrating Iranian airspace will be of 5th (and 6th) gen nature, it matters EVEN less since unless you get quantum radar working, you aren’t able to target .001 m2 or .0001 m2 RCS squared object further out than 50-60KM (optimal conditions).

 

[Persian Gulf]

Replicate what? Where is the proof? Because Russia said so? Where is the technical data? Where is the robust 3rd party backed whitepaper of the incident from a credible institute?

The amount of distance a fighter jet can move before a 200KM range air defense missile reaches it is immense. Unless the pilot is dead asleep or is flying a Cessna, if they are worth their salt they will begin evasive maneuvering.

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Russia apparently shot down a F-16 over Sumy a few weeks ago with the s-400 but other attempts have not been successful

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[Comandante]

It should not be overlooked that the importance of AWACS is extremely important. Iran has Su-35, F-14, if it flies with the radar turned on, they can see it from afar. US planes do not always use radar, but receive target data from the AWACS radar via data connection. Data updates are also carried out using the AWACS radar. If Iran does not solve this, then you will always be at a disadvantage in air combat, even if you have good planes.

 

[Immortals]

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Again where is proof that it was 200KM+ away?

No proof of that of that. And the fact it hasn’t been replicated sense points to a lottery shot at best. Iran doesn’t have the AD stockpiles Russia has, it cannot be firing AD missiles with a lottery chance of hitting a target or it will soon find itself completely depleted and defenseless.