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[ShapurII]

You have to acknowledge the the attack came after Iran's public and successful (Penetrating Israeli ABMs in significant numbers on camera) there for Iran already knew that Israel was going to retaliate. The "whistle blower" did not disclose when the attack was coming and it was due to the diligence and professionalism of Iran's Air defense personnel that the attack was rendered ineffective. Despite Israel's claim that Iran's air defense had been destroyed, Iran's IADS remained operational throughout the attack.

It depends on what you define your mission to be. Success in what sense? Did Iran's missiles penetrate Israeli air defenses? Yes, they did. Did they cause any significant damage? No, they didn't.
So, if your mission was to demonstrate that you can penetrate Israeli air defenses, yes, it was a success. But that renders TP2 a complete failure because it is stupid to launch two massive strikes to achieve the same objective twice as TP1 had already demonstrated Iran's ability to penetrate Israeli air defenses.
TP2 failed to cause any sort of real damage to Israel, including the Nevatim Airbase where most of our missiles landed (36 missiles landed there, only 3 hit targets of potential value with limited damage).
The "whistle blower" told us about how Israel was going to execute their plan and gave us a time frame. This is the type of high-value intelligence that we will lack in real combat with the likes of the US.

After the Attack on Ain al Assad airbase in January 2020 the U.S claimed that no U.S personnel was harmed in the attack but later on they slowly started to reveal that U.S personnel had suffered concussions as a result of the attacks. The number of Injuries was over 130 that I remember. Do you honestly believe that Israel is reporting the truth when they say that none of their personnel was harmed in the attack?

I can use a counter-argument by saying that Iran (Hajizadeh) claimed 200+ US soldiers had been killed in the attack but a few weeks later, Salami claimed that Iran had mercy on the US soldiers and decided not to kill them. So, we went from 200+ killed in action to 0 fatalities, officially.
I can also use another counter-argument about that pathetic propaganda call to CBS or C-Span where an IRGC troll claimed his son was at Ain Al-Assad and he was missing.

Nevertheless, what we know for sure is that 4 Iranian Army personnel have been killed in the Israeli attack. It is official and verified. As for Israeli casualties, neither Iran nor Israel have claimed any casualties in the attack, except for one Palestinian girl. So, there is no reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Persian Gulf]

including the Nevatim Airbase where most of four missiles landed (36 missiles landed there, only 3 hit targets of potential value with limited damage).

small correction: 40-45 missile impacts were identified at Nevatim, and 3 hit with severe damage not "limited damage". one AWACS hangar destroyed, one large 40x40m building totally destroyed, and one annex to a large building destroyed. a 4th missile hit the F-35 concrete shelter but this did virtually no damage as it failed to penetrate.

Nevertheless, what we know for sure is that 4 Iranian Army personnel have been killed in the Israeli attack. It is official and verified. As for Israeli casualties, neither Iran nor Israel have claimed any casualties in the attack, except for one Palestinian girl. So, there is no reason to believe otherwise.

another small correction: 1 Israeli man also died (of a heart attack while fleeing during the attack).

I agree with everything else you wrote

 

[ShapurII]

small correction: 40-45 missile impacts were identified, and 3 hit with severe damage not "limited damage". one AWACS hangar destroyed, one large 40x40m building totally destroyed, and one annex to a large building destroyed. a 4th missile hit the F-35 concrete shelter but this did virtually no damage as it failed to penetrate.

Thanks for the correction. I think I mentioned at some point that we had 3 successful hits, but they were non-hardened targets and not targets of high value that causes real asset loss. An AWACS hangar on its own isn't really a high value target for a missile strike that travels 1,500 km, if it's empty. I agree with your statement though. No argument there.

 

[Persian Gulf]

US admits Yemen nearly hit several F-16s and an F-35

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interesting

 

[Persian Gulf]

Thanks for the correction. I think I mentioned at some point that we had 3 successful hits, but they were non-hardened targets and not targets of high value that causes real asset loss. An AWACS hangar on its own isn't really a high value target for a missile strike that travels 1,500 km, if it's empty. I agree with your statement though. No argument there.

we don't really know what buildings were hit and what material losses were suffered. Israelis are very secretive about it, but are slowly admitting more details. in any event, the overall gist of your message that the results were poor considering the number of missiles used and the comparatively very effective response by Israel, is correct.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Salami hints at Iran developing ABM technology

 

[Flotilla]

US admits Yemen nearly hit several F-16s and an F-35

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interesting

It is just a suspicion, but most of the kills are done by 358 missile. It is easy to smuggle, to assemble it and operate them without complex search radars and illumination systems.

If Houthies could operate more Sayyad 1/2 and other SAM systems, some other surprises would arise. The kill list it is indicative about the systems used, at least until further information avaiable.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It is just a suspicion, but most of the kills are done by 358 missile. It is easy to smuggle, to assemble it and operate them without complex search radars and illumination systems.

If Houthies could operate more Sayyad 1/2 and other SAM systems, some other surprises would arise. The kill list it is indicative about the systems used, at least until further information avaiable.

larger radar systems have a larger footprint and are harder to transport, assemble, and hide

some kind of small mobile system with passive radar that hides in shelter and comes out for ambushes could work for Yemen

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Bagheri says since the last year our radar capabilities have increased by 5x and our ability to intercept targets has increased 2-3x

 

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US admits Yemen nearly hit several F-16s and an F-35

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interesting

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While I know it is just a rumor, seems to be obvious that we will never know the truth. This UK youtuber (well known) is talking about that specific issue that in more than one ocasion a F35 was near to be hit.

If I understood well, he is even talking about TWZ (The War Zone) a website explicitly support US and Israel politics. So something haves that water when everybody bless it.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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While I know it is just a rumor, seems to be obvious that we will never know the truth. This UK youtuber (well known) is talking about that specific issue that in more than one ocasion a F35 was near to be hit.

If I understood well, he is even talking about TWZ (The War Zone) a website explicitly support US and Israel politics. So something haves that water when everybody bless it.

as much as we want it to be true, honestly I doubt it

notably Yemenis did not really talk about it as much

 

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Hopefully Iran is ready and have used the last few months wisely. Netanyahu needs another conflict to stay in power.

 

[tsunset]

Hopefully Iran is ready and have used the last few months wisely. Netanyahu needs another conflict to stay in power.

In short the IADS strategy is to ambush enemy air force in Yugoslav style by playing with their radars, and not based on Russian/US-style static AD to cover a large area

Asymmetric AD strategy

The best system for this strategy would be 3rd Khordad which is already produced in numbers since years (the one that ambushed an US drone in 2019)

 

[Comandante]

In short the IADS strategy is to ambush enemy air force in Yugoslav style by playing with their radars, and not based on Russian/US-style static AD to cover a large area

Asymmetric AD strategy

The best system for this strategy would be 3rd Khordad which is already produced in numbers since years (the one that ambushed an US drone in 2019)

This tactic is not suitable for Iran because the attacker attacks specific targets, nuclear sites. Air defense and air force must be used in an integrated manner. Unfortunately, Iran does not have AEW AWACS aircraft at the moment, which is a very big disadvantage.