POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[PakistaniDefender]

that Pakistan skipped a few steps on the escalation ladder and started launched BMs

We launched Fatahs which are classed as Rockets. I don't think we attacked India after our first even when Bholari and Shehbaz were hit

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@hussain0216

Brother Hussain,

We must fund education and healthcare but the military is VITAL and we must plug any gaps to defend the country

This is the class butter vs guns dilemma that economists keep talking about. Given the state of Pak economy, I don't see it getting resolved easily. The only way out is PRC if hands out a blank cheque in form of hard cash and supplies. This is well within the realms of possibility.

Regards

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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"There's a reason why there are no satellite images from India. It's because India blocks private sat imagery firms from certain sensitive data in most cases. Moreover, some of those on this app who work full time on sat imagery are employed by the Indian side, so don't expect them to run sat images of Indian bases. They will only run images of Pakistani bases."

 

[Sharma Ji]

@RescueRanger @Fatman17
They are continuously lying that Pakistan attacked Amritsar and Civilian Air route was operational while Pak's offensive. If Pak cannot counter it, it will be a mess and bite us later. Army should quash internal feud and point its guns outwards.
They say, Pak has attacked gurudwara, mosques, chapels, (mandir?), all minorities' worship places. I wonder why Jain temples were spared! What will Pak get out of it to hurt minorities?

Up until a few years back, commercial flights in India landing at Amritsar would briefly enter Pak airspace.. regular flying pattern, just before short finals and landing.

There has been evidence of place of worship being hit in India.. arty is not precision guided down to few meters CEP type unless using a GPS kit. This is oldschool gola baroodi, kya bharosa exactly kahan ja k girega/fatega if aimed at cities.

 

[Goenitz]

Up until a few years back, commercial flights in India landing at Amritsar would briefly enter Pak airspace.. regular flying pattern, just before short finals and landing.

There has been evidence of place of worship being hit in India.. arty is not precision guided down to few meters CEP type unless using a GPS kit. This is oldschool gola baroodi, kya bharosa exactly kahan ja k girega/fatega if aimed at cities.

The damage at least also depicts that it was artillery. However, I don't buy we did anything on the Punjab side except LMs and F1 attacks at the bases.
No one is insane enough to attack the Golden Temple and be the recipient of what Congress/Hindus have been since 84.

 

[Taimoor]

The most advanced fighter jet shot down by f16 is syrian mig 29 by israelis,in other words downgraded junk. Most f16 kills are against 3rd generation aircraft by those american thugs in gulf, in other words those kills are hardly impressive

The most advanced fighter jet ever shot down is the rafale by J10


Also this is what pakistan needs to do even if you improve air defence

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Pakistan needs to start improving missiles like iran, and start making and relying on drones more.

With imminent induction of fifth gen fighters, PAF needs to think hard about their deployments, maybe new airbase with natural barriers.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

With imminent induction of fifth gen fighters, PAF needs to think hard about their deployments, maybe new airbase with natural barriers.

Underground or mountainous bases in Balochistan should be considered maybe.

Both air bases and missile bases. Several countries have these but they cost a lot.

 

[Sharma Ji]

The damage at least also depicts that it was artillery. However, I don't buy we did anything on the Punjab side except LMs and F1 attacks at the bases.
No one is insane enough to attack the Golden Temple and be the recipient of what Congress/Hindus have been since 84.

Unless you shooting someone point blank, koi bharosa nahi hai who these things land on, even if you get the general area right.

I do think people are being measured to the extent possible.. warna Armritsar and Lahore in particular, ek din m Syria/A-stan ban jana hai both sides ka.

 

[Waz]

I think since IAF was made redundant, Indians restored to using Barhamos as their only conventional weapon left they can use against us. While PAF was pounding them left right and centre throughout the eastern frontier, from north to south.

Escalation management I would say?

Ah bro when the Brahmos came in, the Baburs should have been sent back. Maybe they really are expensive as anything.

 

[Waz]

As I have said earlier, Pakistan damage on Indian bases were negligible. It’s now confirmed by the New York Times

“Satellite images of the sites Pakistan claimed to have hit are limited, and so far do not clearly show damage caused by Pakistani strikes even at bases where there was corroborating evidence of some military action.

But satellite imagery indicates that while the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than claimed — and appeared mostly inflicted by India on Pakistani facilities. In a new age of high-tech warfare, strikes by both sides, verified by the imagery, appeared to be precisely targeted.

Where India appears to have had a clear edge is in its targeting of Pakistan’s military facilities and airfields, as the latter stretch of fighting shifted from symbolic strikes and shows of force to attacks on each other’s defense capabilities.

High-resolution satellite imagery, from before and after the strikes, shows clear damage to Pakistan’s facilities by Indian attacks, if limited and precise in nature.

Pakistani officials, according to state media, said their forces had “destroyed” India’s Udhampur air base. The family of one Indian soldier has confirmed his death on the base. But an image from May 12 does not appear to show damage.“

@MastanKhan @Waz @JamD

India and Pakistan Talked Big, but Satellite Imagery Shows Limited Damage (Published 2025)

While the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than both sides claimed.

www.nytimes.com

Agreed and Indian strikes did cause uncomfortable damage and that's the reason I stated in my thread waves of Baburs should have gone in after the strike at Nur Khan. The military just waited....
That being said the article says this;

.While the Indian government has not said how many went down, officials and diplomats say that at least two aircraft were lost, and most likely more.

If you can't win the air the ground will soon be lost, one of the great sayings of the Second World War.

However it's imperative now that the PAF start to look for new sites at the far end of the western border and layer up AD, after AD in front.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Which without the conflict would be 2.3 trillion(or more if considering the stabilized environment and compounding trade deals)- not a net 300 billion.

Unlikely for such a huge movement that would need nearly 2-3k points making us the Third largest in the world. We simply recuperated the losses with that $1T and grew $3B.

But I'd keep a close eye on the SIPRI data in the coming months.

 

[Oscar]

Unlikely for such a huge movement that would need nearly 2-3k points making us the Third largest in the world. We simply recuperated the losses with that $1T and grew $3B.

But I'd keep a close eye on the SIPRI data in the coming months.

Weapons purchases, infrastructure and all of it comes into play.
Either way - it was needless -regardless of “We recovered fast”

 

[Prognostications]

@Oscar

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[Oscar]

@Oscar

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Let’s go into his history - and the style of his opinions - before we consider this “unbiased”

@RescueRanger

He is widely recognized for his strong critiques of Pakistan’s policies, particularly concerning terrorism and regional security. His public statements and writings consistently portray Pakistan as a primary instigator of conflict in South Asia, often urging the United States to designate Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism .

So - I take his words with a bucketload of salt

 

[Prognostications]

Let’s go into his history - and the style of his opinions - before we consider this “unbiased”

@RescueRanger

He is widely recognized for his strong critiques of Pakistan’s policies, particularly concerning terrorism and regional security. His public statements and writings consistently portray Pakistan as a primary instigator of conflict in South Asia, often urging the United States to designate Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism .

So - I take his words with a bucketload of salt

And your opinion on TOM COOPER'S ANALYSIS

You can Google it if you have not read it