PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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gamaji said:
If Pakistan is reportedly getting J-10CP for US$35m, I am sure Pakistan might be getting J-35 5th gen plane for much less than the upgrade price of $82.3-88.6 million per F-16 plane.
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Greed is a common human condition. Different people, some people know how to restrain their greed. And some don't know how to restrain their greed at all, like you.

The price of a commodity is a very complex study. They are not cheaper the better. A brand new iPhone sells for $1,000 and people buy them in droves. If it suddenly dropped in price to $500, would you still buy it without hesitation?

The J-10CE will only go up in price in the future, not cheaper than it is now.

Oscar said:
@Michael - What are we seeing?
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I don't have any hard evidence's to analyze this. I can only offer my speculative thoughts.

1. different batches. At present, China's standard “fly helmet” has not been completely finalized. Each unit is a small batch of customized military testing stage. We see PLA pilots have many different kinds of helmets. The previous generation of Panda helmets were fully finalized, so they are all the same.

2. Different manufacturers. There are several companies that produce these helmets in China. Their technical standards are the same, but there are some differences in appearance. I don't know which manufacturer the pilot's helmet for the JF-17B3 came from.
 
I think this should be a wake-up call to airforces around the world to realize just how far behind they are, it doesn't matter how many shiny fighter jets you fly but if you don't know how to command them and give them the proper intelligence then you might as well be sitting ducks against airforces that do, this is what made NATO dominate not just the tech but superior C4I
 
Michael said:
Greed is a common human condition. Different people, some people know how to restrain their greed. And some don't know how to restrain their greed at all, like you.

The price of a commodity is a very complex study. They are not cheaper the better. A brand new iPhone sells for $1,000 and people buy them in droves. If it suddenly dropped in price to $500, would you still buy it without hesitation?

The J-10CE will only go up in price in the future, not cheaper than it is now.


I don't have any hard evidence's to analyze this. I can only offer my speculative thoughts.

1. different batches. At present, China's standard “fly helmet” has not been completely finalized. Each unit is a small batch of customized military testing stage. We see PLA pilots have many different kinds of helmets. The previous generation of Panda helmets were fully finalized, so they are all the same.

2. Different manufacturers. There are several companies that produce these helmets in China. Their technical standards are the same, but there are some differences in appearance. I don't know which manufacturer the pilot's helmet for the JF-17B3 came from.
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Well the PAF deal for the J-10CE + 240 PL-15Es was $2b excluding the missiles that's 85mil per aircraft the price tag for the J-35 with the necessary support will likely be $100mil+ unfortunately people here get too caught up in looking at the price of the bare airframe, lot of people still think the JF-17 costs $25-30 million.
 
Toxic said:
Well the PAF deal for the J-10CE + 240 PL-15Es was $2b excluding the missiles that's 85mil per aircraft the price tag for the J-35 with the necessary support will likely be $100mil+ unfortunately people here get too caught up in looking at the price of the bare airframe, lot of people still think the JF-17 costs $25-30 million.
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The J-10CE is not priced the way you figure it.
The total price PAF paid to procure the first batch of J-10CEs includes a comprehensive set of basic services such as training and service.
If PAF procures a second additional batch of J-10CE, these comprehensive basic services are not required or are reduced in quantity, which will result in a lower total price. Spare engines, if PAF maintains them better, can be purchased in smaller quantities. Of course, the PL-15E could be increased in number, especially by increasing the number of PL-15E trainer rounds to allow more pilots to become proficient in the new air combat mode.
So, if PAF buys a second batch of additional J-10CEs, the total price will certainly be lower than the first time if the number remains at 20 fighters.

Meanwhile, the J-10CE itself offers customization. Its bare-bones unit price fluctuates between $30 million and $50 million. If PAF adjusts the internal configuration of the new batch of J-10CE, it will lead to a change in the bare-air unit price of J-10CE.

The PAF will certainly have a lot of new feelings through this air battle. They will surely come up with new requirements or adjustments to the CAC when procuring new batches of fighters.

There is not much information on the price of the J-35 at this time. Speculation among Chinese military enthusiasts suggests that the PLAAF's own version of the J-35A could cost more than $100 million.
The foreign trade version of the J-35 currently lacks much available information. My speculation is that it (barebones) could cost less than $100 million.
 
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I have noticed that there are heavy reinforced aircraft bunkers at our domestic coastal airports. After the India Pakistan conflict, will the PAF initiate airport renovation projects, reinforce aircraft bunkers, or build underground hangars, strengthen runways, and cooperate with defense equipment to counter saturation attacks
 
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The PLAAF [J-10C] as a symbol of brotherhood, strategic alliance & joy has displayed the killmarks of Indian Air Force Fighter Jets shot down by Pakistan Air Force on the fateful night of 6/7th May 2025.Killmarks Demonstrate

The Following:
- 3x Rafale
- 1x Su-30MKI
- 1x Mig-29UPG

However as per the latest official data shared by the Pakistan Air Force,
the score is 6 - 0
- 3x Rafale
- 1x Mig-29UPG
- 1x Su-30MKI [HQ-9B HIMAD]
- 1x Mirage-2000H


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Oscar said:
You have to wonder though - what was the thinking process behind the MKI - bought when the cusp of BVR had already begun?

That TVC capability adds little in todays context with HOBS on most opposition fighters and if anything gets more additional weight.

I remember the old skool discussions from 2006-9 on the fearsomeness of the aircraft but then thinking about how it was a Franken fighter - with stuff that had issues talking to each other.
Is the most numerous asset but can only manage 50% serviceability - always needs two peas in the pod and while their upgrades are solving the compatibility issue - you're always going to have 80-100 jets sitting in various stages of maintenance.
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50% serviceability? That's nuts.
 
guangdongt said:
I have noticed that there are heavy reinforced aircraft bunkers at our domestic coastal airports. After the India Pakistan conflict, will the PAF initiate airport renovation projects, reinforce aircraft bunkers, or build underground hangars, strengthen runways, and cooperate with defense equipment to counter saturation attacks
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PAF will need a rethink of how its bases operate and are designed given that you cannot stop everything that India throws at you. Part is improvements in IADS, part would be more and better HAS/Bunkers for planes.
 
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