PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan Strategic Forum
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The PLAAF [J-10C] as a symbol of brotherhood, strategic alliance & joy has displayed the killmarks of Indian Air Force Fighter Jets shot down by Pakistan Air Force on the fateful night of 6/7th May 2025.Killmarks Demonstrate

The Following:
- 3x Rafale
- 1x Su-30MKI
- 1x Mig-29UPG

However as per the latest official data shared by the Pakistan Air Force,
the score is 6 - 0
- 3x Rafale
- 1x Mig-29UPG
- 1x Su-30MKI [HQ-9B HIMAD]
- 1x Mirage-2000H

The Su-30MKI has an RCS bigger than an Indian elephants behind, therefore it's capability in any future war is limited where there is a long range HIMAD component that makes the Su-30MKI an easy kill. At best India can use it as a long range SOW launcher.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

98m nautical miles is the longest air to air kill in history right?

And, that too against a platform supposed to be well protected by top EW/EA suits....

 

[Rational Philosopher]

The Su-30MKI has an RCS bigger than an Indian elephants behind, therefore it's capability in any future war is limited where there is a long range HIMAD component that makes the Su-30MKI an easy kill. At best India can use it as a long range SOW launcher.

The Su-30MKI will be a formidable and dangerous opponent after its newer upgrades, do not underestimate it.

Just so that you are aware, China flies hundreds of flankers, and it's J-16 is a beast.

Once the Indians kit it out with their homegrown AESA/EW kits, it will be a threat. Never underestimate your enemy, better to overestimate and be over prepared during war.

 

[Toxic]

The Su-30MKI will be a formidable and dangerous opponent after its newer upgrades, do not underestimate it.

Just so that you are aware, China flies hundreds of flankers, and it's J-16 is a beast.

Once the Indians kit it out with their homegrown AESA/EW kits, it will be a threat. Never underestimate your enemy, better to overestimate and be over prepared during war.

The SU-30MKi is not comparable to the J-16, the J-16 uses radar absorbing materials reducing its RCS, also since it's the Indian military we will likely see SU-30s being upgraded sometime during the 2050s

 

[Yommie]

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Pitot in the drawing. Ugh.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

The SU-30MKi is not comparable to the J-16, the J-16 uses radar absorbing materials reducing its RCS, also since it's the Indian military we will likely see SU-30s being upgraded sometime during the 2050s

That's why I said once the upgrades happen. Like I said don't underestimate the Indians naively, it's still a several trillion dollar economy with several ongoing projects. It's going to get some pretty decent upgrades soon many of which they developed locally.

 

[TopGun786]

The SU-30MKi is not comparable to the J-16, the J-16 uses radar absorbing materials reducing its RCS, also since it's the Indian military we will likely see SU-30s being upgraded sometime during the 2050s

Personally I don't think Su-30 mki will ever receive any substantial upgrades.... They will die trying these.

 

[TopGun786]

Pitot in the drawing. Ugh.

Also seems more like a twin seater J-10C

 

[Yasser76]

PAF will need a rethink of how its bases operate and are designed given that you cannot stop everything that India throws at you. Part is improvements in IADS, part would be more and better HAS/Bunkers for planes.

Think PAF invested very heavily in HAS, not just at PAF bases, but if you look at every civila airport in Pakistan you will notice 4 HAS at both ends. We knew this day would come, explains why no losses on the ground to Indian missiles. In fact a quick look at Indian bases shows we are far ahead of them in this area

 

[Michael]

The Su-30MKI will be a formidable and dangerous opponent after its newer upgrades, do not underestimate it.

Just so that you are aware, China flies hundreds of flankers, and it's J-16 is a beast.

Once the Indians kit it out with their homegrown AESA/EW kits, it will be a threat. Never underestimate your enemy, better to overestimate and be over prepared during war.

Your concern is normal, but it's also a redundant concern.

Under the Russia-India agreement, HAL has been recognized by Russia to take the Indian-assembled Su-30MKI to the international market. That is, Russia allows Indian-assembled Su-30MKIs to compete with Russian in the international arms market.

Why do you think Russia will allow India to do this? In your place, would you allow it?

Why do you think Russia has banned the export of Chinese produced Su-27 family fighters? But agreed to Indian exports.

It would be a real threat if someday Russia bans India's Su-30MKI exports.

 

[Toxic]

Think PAF invested very heavily in HAS, not just at PAF bases, but if you look at every civila airport in Pakistan you will notice 4 HAS at both ends. We knew this day would come, explains why no losses on the ground to Indian missiles. In fact a quick look at Indian bases shows we are far ahead of them in this area

PAF does need to move atleast some of its bases westward, Nur Khan for example might be close enough to border to be in the firing range of long range artillery at the LOC, that's an absolute nightmare

 

[Yasser76]

The Su-30MKI will be a formidable and dangerous opponent after its newer upgrades, do not underestimate it.

Just so that you are aware, China flies hundreds of flankers, and it's J-16 is a beast.

Once the Indians kit it out with their homegrown AESA/EW kits, it will be a threat. Never underestimate your enemy, better to overestimate and be over prepared during war.

Nah, we keep hearing this take every few years "But IAF will have this soon"

2019 SU-30s nowhere to be seen (one may have been downed)
2025 Rafales got the biggest bitch slapping in French aviation history

Now next new thing to few is an upgraded old SU-30MKI, when we may well have 5th Gen jets in PAF by then. That is an absolute joke, SU-30 signature will stand out like a flying Taj Mahal

What IAF fails to understand, May 7th was not just plane v plane. PAF has an entire ecosystem or EW/Cyber/AEW/SIGINT/BVRAAM all working in sync and all tested and crew trained to work in sync.

Till IAF sorts that out, no amount of new toys or AESAs will help

 

[Ali Yusuf]

Didn't the Block-3 get an air-to-air kill??

 

[Toxic]

Nah, we keep hearing this take every few years "But IAF will have this soon"

2019 SU-30s nowhere to be seen (one may have been downed)
2025 Rafales got the biggest bitch slapping in French aviation history

Now next new thing to few is an upgraded old SU-30MKI, when we may well have 5th Gen jets in PAF by then. That is an absolute joke, SU-30 signature will stand out like a flying Taj Mahal

What IAF fails to understand, May 7th was not just plane v plane. PAF has an entire ecosystem or EW/Cyber/AEW/SIGINT/BVRAAM all working in sync and all tested and crew trained to work in sync.

Till IAF sorts that out, no amount of new toys or AESAs will help

This! Even upgraded MKI's will be lunch for J-35s

 

[Yasser76]

This! Even upgraded MKI's will be lunch for J-35s

Yeah, the lack of foresight in gaining stealth will really hurt them now.

China is not even an option for India to fight, If PAF downed Rafales with export Chinese EW and missiles, one can only imagine the absolute massacre that would take place with J-20s, J-35s and frontline Chinese missiles. Would not even be a contest more like a training exercise for China